Submitted by William Skinner

John Cumberbatch, the late president of the Barbados Union of Teachers, often described the Common Examination as elitist. He was convinced that once it remained the gold standard of excellence, the system would eventually be the main cause for several societal problems. It was a position he took before the mid-seventies, when he was leader of the BUT. Forty years later, his predictions have come to pass and we are still refusing to accept that he and others who supported this view were correct.

What is most unfortunate is that many of those teachers who were exposed to John’s views, embraced them but we now find them four decades later, in powerful positions, denouncing his positions and shamelessly defending the status quo. These former “Comrades” have sold their souls on the altar of political expediency and one often wonders, if they have collectively agreed to hold fast to the mantra: “if you can’t beat them join them”. They are to be found in both government and opposition. The classical case of pigs now walking on their hind legs and behaving like the masters, in Animal Farm.

Those voices crying in the wilderness for a radical reform of the education system, are to be commended but once parents believe that their children, can enter Harrison or Queens College, the task to change the system becomes more difficult. If many of those parents knew that some children enter the examination room, barely having the ability to recognize their names, they would perhaps be more supportive.

Any country that deliberately throws hundreds of its children in a socio-economic river while gleefully celebrating the achievements of a few, is certainly guilty of a form of societal genocide. The current rise in crime and the escalating disregard for life or limb by some of our youth, are certain signs of the full growth of seeds that were planted at least four decades ago. Our social scientists, have bluntly refused to utilize their knowledge to show or explain how the education system, is fertile breeding ground, for much of the deviancy that is now permeating the society.

Some moderators who chased callers off their programs, when they tried to explain that the education system was a great contributor, to many of our problems, are heard these days crying crocodile tears because they are facing the frightening reality, that if we refuse to rescue our youth from the path of drugs and crime, they would be no longer safe in their comfortable heights and terraces. It means that their desire to now embrace what they formally dismissed as “fringe elements”, is perhaps guided by ulterior motives.

Any form of elitism breeds disaffection and is immediately followed by hopelessness. We cannot restructure the economy without education reform. It is impossible to produce a 2017 model car on a 1950 production line. Our people remain our most precious resource, and that resource must be carefully nurtured for national development. It is not too late but time is running out.

190 responses to “An Elitist 11+”

  1. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    The fools in government and ministry of education refuse to listen that the 11 plus has outlived any usefulness it have had had for 40 or 50 years, as long as it’s still tied to a slave society concept designed, created and given to them by UK, as long as it disadvantages a wide cross section of socuety so that a few fools can boast about a particular school or two to feel they are more important or better off than they neighbors…. they will not want to let it go.

    But the port is open for gun and drug running from those who are hellbent on destroying the society and have the resources to do it if not stopped in their tracks……and the governments dont want to shut that illegal business down..

    Which will lead to the total destruction of a few more generations of young people in the majority population.


  2. Once again, we hear & read how terrible the 11+ is for our children ………. but no constructive alternative solution is offered! It is elitist, unfair to the poor, tied to a slave society, etc., etc. …. and now it is being linked to the use of guns & murders…. wow! May be true but who knows?

    Until ALL our secondary schools are on an even playing field & there is enough space for all the children, the 11+ or a similar system will remain in place…. and please don’t suggest ‘continuous assessment’ as a better alternative. Will not work in our small society where ‘everybody knows everybody’ &

    Will delaying the “11+ syndrome” until they reach 5th Form & have to deal with CXC, CAPE, etc., then the competitive world of work …… make a difference?


  3. On the issue of education. Nothing is wrong with the 11 plus. It demonstrates what status the children have achieved in academics.

    What IS wrong is that once in secondary school, children have to take lessons because many, not all, but many, teachers do not care or else simply cannot teach.

    That applies to Harsuns, Queens, Cawmere, St.Michaels, Foundaiton, Lodge, etc ALL.

    The other thing is, if a child is not academically gifted, then provide school alternatives of excellence such as electrics, carpentry, masonry, etc. And I mean excellence, not some ship shoddy class.

    The problem is not that the common entrance is elitist, it is that the secondary school system is mediocre.


  4. Before someone says that the school system here is better than US etc.

    So what, comparing to worse does not make it better.

    @Well Well,

    You do agree that the presence of illegal drugs is no coincidence in degrading a society?

    It is not just about criminal elements making money. It is also deliberate sabotage of the majority.

    It happened in the US with crack etc vs black population. What is interesting is that the white middle class is being targeted by the same forces.

    No coincidence that the opioid epidemic is happening.

    It is calculated castration of the minds of the majority.

    That process is elitist, truly elitist.

    And something worth discussing too. How the world elite keep the masses in check.


  5. William Skinner wrote,” if we refuse to rescue our youth from the path of drugs and crime, they would be no longer safe in their comfortable heights and terraces.”

    The have-nots will rob the haves.

  6. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    Yes it is Crusoe, yes it is a very malicious and deliberate act of sabotage by the minorities to destroy the most vulnerable in the bajan society and create many pockets of poverty and criminality…..

    ……it has happened in the US for decades, still is, has always been orchestrated and aimed/focused at black and hispanic communities, dont be surprised that some evil minorities has their minds set on getting a taxpayer funded contract and building another prison….they always find ways to rob the treasury and pension fund.

    ….if they cant get BWA for free with 60 million dollars of taxpayer’s money thrown in for free for free, they will collude together and come up with more evil to throw at the majority population…, and it will happen when they pay these useless governments enough bribes.

    It was wicked and deliberate and happened because black government ministers cannot say NO to bribes…., and will continue because they will have to expose themselves and each other just to clean it up….cause and effect.

    They always copy the negatives out of the US and act like positives do not exist….the 11 plus is not a necessity for any child anywhere, they are much better off without it…….in this age it does more harm than good….the less brainwash and miseducation, the better the population’s chances of breaking away from the evil being designed daily hy the parasites and aimed directly at them….the 11plus is destructive.

    “The other thing is, if a child is not academically gifted, then provide school alternatives of excellence such as electrics, carpentry, masonry, etc. And I mean excellence, not some ship shoddy class.

    The problem is not that the common entrance is elitist, it is that the secondary school system is mediocre.”

    And therein lies the biggest problems post 11 plus…, that is what is creating gangsvand boys on the blocks with nothing to do but rent guns imported by minorities.


  7. One of the evils of “arithmetic democracy” is that we have to put up with voters who cannot cut the mustard, cannot make the grade, and because they and their children are dunces, they want to abolish all academic standards.

    Without academic standards, we make it harder for gifted Barbadians to pass the exams and achieve the skill levels required of modern professionals — in law, medicine, engineering, accounting, finance, computer technology, etc. All modern professions require their members to have academic capacity: the ability to understand complex written materials. Dunces are not allowed.

    For the dunces, there are many paths to financial success in Barbados. There is no excuse for poverty in the young generation. If you are poor, it is probably your fault, and you should not complain. You can make it in professional sports, in music and entertainment, in the selling trades, in blue collar occupations, in customer service jobs.

    Long live the 11+ exams. Make them even harder.

  8. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    Dumb Chadster…ya obviously was not raised in the US, or Canada or you would know you do not have to take an 11 plus exam to benefit from being naturally and born gifted.

    No wonder ya so bewitch, ya lucky ya got out at all.


  9. How does a student gain entry to Brooklyn Tech or the Bronx High School of Science or any other specialised high school of New York City?

  10. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    Or Stuyvesant or any gifted school…through assessments and specialized testing, there are even programs at Ivy League universities for the gifted from 6 and 7th grade level, Princeton offers an SSAT…..

    as long as you are naturally born gifted…ya cant go wrong….and you certainly do not need an 11 plus exam.

    I know of no extraordinarily gifted child in North America who has ever had to do an 11 plus exam to excel or be propelled to top universities,….that includes mine.


  11. Silly WW&C

    Stop boasting about your children. I’m sure they’re just average.

    When I use the word “gifted”, I do not use it in the North American sense. North Americans use “gifted” to mean a person of unusual or extraordinary ability in academics or some other field, like music or dance.

    When I say “gifted”, I mean someone in a place like the Caribbean who has the ability and discipline to absorb and apply book knowledge. Someone who can pass high school and university exams if they try hard enough.

    Unfortunately, we have a lot of people who cannot learn by reading books. Those are the ones who always seem to have difficulties taking exams — any exams — and are always looking to dilute standards.

  12. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    Chadster…you obviously know nothing about the named gifted schools above which also includes Hunter or who are eligible to attend them…whose student are candidates for top univserities and top scholarships including to MIT…

    ……I know of one Bajan at MIT and it’s not you…most of the inventors and genuises from those gifted schools are the inventors whose inventions we use today…where is yours, a mediocre accountant, not even an actuary…does not count…

    Gifted in the US is not exclusive to dance and music…that’s how I know ya went up to the US as a big hard back black man begging for a work permit.

    ….my kids are in a dimension far removed from your twilight zone, so it’s useless telling you about their gifts and abilities…ya cant enter those heights.


  13. This is NOT one of the things that William understands well….
    Lotta shiite.

    Crusoe, on the other hand, gets it….

    “The problem is not that the common entrance is elitist, it is that the secondary school system is mediocre.” (Crusoe on BU @ 8:55AM)

    …but “mediocre” is being nice….


  14. @Ping Pong -at 12:22 PM …One can only presume yours is a rhetorical question…. cause the answer is right there on the web.

    But, beyond a search retort however, simply stated they get into those schools as any other student gets into ‘specialized institutions’of learning : they do well on an entrance test!

    They are very few top class learning facilities which aim to pursue rigorous teaching standards that can sustain an open entrance policy which does not have some ‘screening methodology’ to weed out low achievers… it’s just not feasible.


  15. Great intellectual contributions from Bush Tea, as usual. Cheap jokes to make up for appalling ignorance. Shame!

  16. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    You do not weed out those who work at their own pace…, you work with them…

    You however, identify the gifted independently, EARLIER …and separately from those….who need additional work and attention…..in so doing everyone has a fighting chance at ending up at MIT, Columbia etc….without having to take the same assessments or specialized testing as the gifted…….including those who initially needed to work at their own pace to achieve the same results later…

  17. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    There are even schools for the gifted that is not very public knowledge, entirely for the exceptional, however, they are taken from their parents at too young an age.


  18. @ Bush Tea September 15, 2017 at 1:39 PM #
    This is NOT one of the things that William understands well….
    Lotta shiite.

    Crusoe, on the other hand, gets it….

    “The problem is not that the common entrance is elitist, it is that the secondary school system is mediocre.” (Crusoe on BU @ 8:55AM)

    …but “mediocre” is being nice….

    If the secondary schools are mediocre, the question that must be asked is; Where do the mediocre students come from ?
    There are many misguided and ill-informed people who believe that continuous assessment will disadvantage the “bright” students. This is very distant from the truth and the results will be quite the opposite. Continuous assessment will identify BOTH groups at an earlier stage. Therefore gifted children can be placed in an accelerated program. For example , a student who can take and pass an Associates degree can actually do so before leaving high school.
    A child who displays tremendous talents in the arts; music acting etc can also be placed in a more progressive program. Children who are challenged can then be given the remedial help they need rather than be thrown into the river at age eleven.

  19. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    Exactly.

  20. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    William Skinner September 15, 2017 at 3:34 PM
    said “If the secondary schools are mediocre, the question that must be asked is; Where do the mediocre students come from ?”

    A peculiar question… I would have asked where do the mediocre teachers come from? Why is the curriculum mediocre? Why is there mediocre parental support of the school system? Why is there such mediocre collaboration between the teachers’ union and the ministry? why is the Minister of Education so mediocre? Why is our early childhood education system mediocre? Why has our mediocre primary school education system failed these students?

    After all, would you go into a failing hospital and ask “where do these mediocre patients come from?”


  21. In my opinion, “continuous assessment” is an expensive alternative to periodic assessment, and is often unnecessary in Third World education programs that don’t have money to waste.

    Of course, feminists don’t like periodic assessment — especially the BIG EXAM — because boys do better than girls on big exams, while the opposite is true in continuous assessment systems.


  22. peterlawrencethompson September 15, 2017 at 3:59 PM #

    Quite.
    I did NOT say that the students are mediocre, I said that the system is mediocre.

    Listen, when most if not all students are doing lessons to get ones and twos to go further in their education, something is seriously wrong.

    When many students leave school without five CXC’s at even grade three, something is wrong.

    When there are teachers (there are good ones too, so do not take my comment as a generalization) who cannot teach a boy to ride a bicycle, far less csec or cape subjects, who the schools cannot get rid of, something is wrong. Yes, and those same teachers ‘stats’ likely do not look so bad because all of their students get lessons…because everyone knows that they are a waste.

    Only an idiot would think that the school system, supplemented as it is by lesson money spent hand over fist, does not need a serious look.

    As for the SBA’s, lol. Give me a break.


  23. I posit that teaching is one of the more important disciplines in any country and teachers should be well respected,well trained and appropriately remunerated given their importance in societal development.They should be provided with all the requisite material resources to enable them to discharge their duties without fear or favour.All this baloney I see on TV interviewing certain teachers and pupils who cannot speak coherently is all balls and political claptrap.That is not going to help Barbados,neither will the attitude of the minister and his henchwoman of hair rugs for wigs.All show and no substance.Pearls worn by swine don’t make for proper broughtupsy.

  24. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    Chadster…for the benefit of your narrow intellect…it’s not about who is doing better than whom, it’s identifying those who are capable of working independently, needing none to very little one and one attention, in Bim’s case, so that those who need individual attention can get it without having to compete with those who should have already moved on to another level of education, so that their minds do not become stagnant and restless…

    Besides, it will eventually cost the state much less, particularly in housing those who fall through the cracks into prison…..since no child would be allowed to fall through the cracks because they did not pass a useless, one off exam….and what do you care anyway, it’s not ya money, mind ya business.

    Besides, the specialized testing gifted kids get in the US…is not a one day, one off exam.

    Trust me, there are so many reasons for you to be jealous, but you will never know what those reasons are.


  25. @ peterlawrencethompson
    The current system has served its purpose; unfortunately by refusing to accept that our economy had changed and ignoring the glaring fact that it was becoming somewhat archaic or even irrelevant, has been our downfall.
    The immediate post-independence era needed; civil servants, police, teachers , clerks and empolyment opprtunities were bountiful. A child leaving primary school could easily be a “short pants’ clerk in Bridgetown. The education system of that period would have prepared him for the world of work. He would have mastered arithmetic , reading and comprehension skills etc.
    By 1970, a mere ten years after independence, our economy started to change. By the time the information highway was up and running, we were incapable of making the shift. In other words anybody leaving primary school at that time would have encountered great difficult because different skill sets were required.
    The old “board buses were not inferior or mediocre but they really have no place in providing public transportation in 2017; no different from the donkey cart !


  26. WW&C

    What people like you want to do is persuade teachers to neglect the brighter kids, ostensibly because they can work independently, and focus instead on the dunce kids, like yours, because they “need attention”.

    That is a waste of scarce teacher resources. Your dunce kids cannot learn much in a classroom because they are dunce. Focusing on them will only improve them a little, whereas focusing on the brighter kids will yield much better improvements in their performance. I do not believe that any child in a high school should spend much time on their own anyway, regardless of how bright they are. At that early age, ALL kids need to be supervised quite closely. They have so much to learn.

  27. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    Chadster….if you would stop trying to fool us with your nonexistent brilliance, you would not be finding it so hard to grasp the basic and elementary.

    naturally bright kids cannot be left behind, they are in a class all by themselves, ah guess ya never met any, those are the kids their teachers who know their potential, allows them to show the other kids how to reach their potential, those are the ones who move on to another level earlier, because they do not require the attention the others do….just say ya dont understand the concept.

    am through spoon feeding you…am sure the others understood the very first time, but 8 hours later, you are still struggling.


  28. PLT is asking the critical questions.
    Those students that end up at the best schools will be there no matter what assessment system you use. Those that dont get into the best but are very clever will find a way to perform relatively eg my cousin who went to Foundation still won a Bdos Schol, my friend who went to Foundation/ HC ended up with a Rhodes Schol.

    The concept of placing the really clever in with average pupils or dummies is nonsense. The gent with the highest IQ ever measured in the USA barely finished HS due to a total lack of interest ie bored excrementaly with teachers and fellow students.

    PLT won a good Schol as did others in his year @HC 1974/75, part of the reason was that there were many challengers for the top spot in exams and when the competition is hot you are inclined to produce your best, assuming you are serious. Why do you think that there are State schools for the Gifted in the US? My nephew was recruited in NC as he was identified as a genius who eventually was accepted to do an MBA/ JD together.

    Change is required in Bim’s system for sure but we need to be wary of pitfalls.


  29. In North America, claiming to be bored in high school is a pose that many kids adopt to show off how bright they want everyone to think they are.

    When you look closely at their work you usually find huge gaps in their knowledge because they were pretending to be so smart.

    There are very few geniuses around. Even many Nobel Prize winners were hard working plodders or impulsive nerds who just got lucky in their work and stumbled upon an important finding.

  30. Bernard Codrington. Avatar
    Bernard Codrington.

    What is an education system supposed to deliver?
    Is the current system providing these deliverables ?
    Have there been changes in the education system since 1962 when the common entrance exam was first introduced?
    Will those who claim that the current system has failed to produce what it set out to produce show the quantitative evidence?


  31. So what’s the solution LW? Typical of here, always ready to tear down but offers no solutions. How is it elitist when children of varying socio-economic backgrounds can get to the ‘top’ schools once they apply themselves. The top achievers should not be punished for their efforts. I propose a continuous assessment maybe starting from class 3, where a portion of that assessment combined with the 11-plus will go towards your final grade to determine what school you should go to. Like 40 % assessment, 60% common entrance.

  32. Bernard Codrington. Avatar
    Bernard Codrington.

    Chad 99999 at 8 :21 P M

    Your interventions on this topic are useful and insightful. My reading of geniuses biographies support your submission that they had to work very hard. Somewhat like the pressure you get on BU. You are on the right track.

  33. Bernard Codrington. Avatar
    Bernard Codrington.

    Kevin at 8 : 37 Pm

    You were doing well until you conceded to this 40% assessment contrivance. The The SSEE is an assessment exam. It measures the academic achievement of the child.
    Continuous assessment schemes create a moral hazard. At present under the CXC there is a view that much of what is submitted is not the sole work of the students. The continuous assessment scheme is being discontinued in the UK precisely because of the moral hazard it presents.


  34. @Bernard, well with assessments, it could be like in-school test or sba-like projects. Just an idea. One of the biggest problem is that currently under the common entrance, a child fate is determined by two big exams at one sitting – Maths & English.


  35. In NJ we had this test NJ ASK which student start to take annually from around 3rd to 8th Grade. One kid was doing so well in these tests, that he was being invited to top universities (just to visit) and was hearing about scholarships from around 8th grade.

  36. Bernard Codrington. Avatar
    Bernard Codrington.

    @ Kevin at 9 :48 PM

    The child’s fate is never determined by the common entrance exam. Look around you and you will see numerous instances where persons who passed for the less preferred schools excelled in their careers. They are also many instances of early high achievers who went on to reap modest achievements in their lives. We owe it to our charges to encourage them to aim high and do not let one “failure”determine their future nor define who they are.

  37. Sunshine Sunny Shine Avatar
    Sunshine Sunny Shine

    Chad0000009

    Or is it Professor Chad00009. You are a real shite for real. Provide proof of the expenses associated with a continuous system, which is based simply on two or three reports generated during a term, according to some systems in Europe. That system highlights progress without a scores criteria. The reason there are no scores is that the system in individual European countries seeks to eliminate competition and comparison. It is similar to the same damn report cards that the student brings home at the end of every term, but without marks, averages and position in the class. Conduct, deportment, creativity, and participation are all part of the assessment, and though the students are subjected to tests and exams, there are not shown scores. At each evaluation, there is a parents’ meeting to discuss progressions and concerns. This is done mainly on Saturdays so that both parents can attend and not one. When it comes time to go to one of three schools in this system, low, middle or high, the teachers’ continuous assessment over the years is given a final report with recommendations. The student whose assessment is outstanding goes to high. If he or she struggles at that level, they can go to the middle or low. A student whose assessment indicates that they are suited for low, and goes to low, can easily be transferred to middle or high as they progress increases and the work at low is too low for their ability. The school system has an interchangeable programme between schools and works brilliantly. Let me also say that the curriculum at each of these school levels is basically the same, but at low, the workload is reduced. The system that generates the progress reports are not expensive. The expense comes from support staff systems set up to help a trouble or problematic child. That involves another school for children with problems, which parents have to pay for.


  38. Despite the economic depression, the high taxes, etc “What appears to be a growing demand for private schooling has seen several new schools established to meet that need over the past decade.” http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/100546/private-schools-soar

    When the 11+ is abolished, does anyone think that the materially less well off will be better served?

    As is now occurring in health care, similar trends of privatisation in schooling will happen. This will be to the detriment of the society as a whole. The minority with the financial means will enjoy better health care and schooling while the majority will suffer from worse health care and schooling.

    This is so ironic and sad given the early promising achievements of independent Barbados. Over to you Bush Tea!

  39. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    SSS…..Chadster is challenged, extremely….he really never met any bright people and was never exposed to the world of real education or the really educated, all the schools I know have an honor roll system, each class may have 5 or maybe up to 10 students on an honor roll….out of that 10, one or maybe 2 qualifies for being gifted or exceptionally gifted…these students are removed because they do not need to be subjected to curriculum they have already mastered…and so that those who remain can work at their own pace and those who need additional attention to move forward also get that attention.

    It’s not about competing and arguing who is brighter than whom, because most of the ones in Bim end up working in the drug dealer’s stores in Swan Street and Broad Street or for minorities who import the most drugs and guns in the island anyway and for barely liveable wages…..and most of them passed the common entrance, cxc and graduated high school…but they end up mediocre anyway.

    It would be insulting to have 8 or 10 Cape subjects and end up working for the likes of Cow, Bizzy, Maloney, Berkjham etc, even worse if ya got the scholarship/exhibition and end up in one of their pits, you would be lowering your own intellect and potential….as well as your value in the worldwide job market.

    …..so the ministry of education may as well take the time and get the education system right from the primary level to avoid those youngsters with potential from being stuck in low paying menial jobs, or falling through the cracks in a mediocre education system, when they are more than likely creatives, geniuses and inventors who just need to be identified. …

    ,..,,intelligent societies identify the SKILLS their student possess, from an early age….so that they can be molded to success.

    But there are those who are stuck in the 50 year old brainwash mode of creating a few who may be bright but burn out in the horse race they got for an education system…only to fade away without reaching full potential….while the others who managed to hold on, have to run outside looking for opportunities…therefore what remains will always fall through the cracks and will always be viewed as a failures.

    The idea of education is to identify those with skills, potential, brilliance…and not only the ones who can regurgitate in one day test…it’s a useless concept…

    ……if ya walk through Bridgetown ya can see many of them hanging around with nothing to do…stagnant…or have to accept 7.00 an hour jobs $3.50 US or $3.25 US.


  40. Ping Pong hits the nail on the head.

    The 11+ exam solves a problem of social and economic discrimination … and it has done it in an outstanding way in Barbados.
    It bothers the rich that they cannot just BUY the best opportunities for their children
    It bothers the dunces that the system ‘classifies’ them at age 11
    …and it seems to bother the poor because they allow themselves to be led easily.

    The 11+ is not perfect.

    The rich still seek to cheat ..by funding ‘cramming lessons’ for their spoiled children in order to have advantages over those who are unable to afford such advantages.

    Teachers see it as a way to make extra money – often underperforming in the classroom – to make their ‘private lessons’ essentially mandatory.

    Chad and Money B make some good points about the need to FOCUS TALENTS. Only an idiot sees benefits of mixing apples and oranges in a teaching environment. Good apples NEVER heal bad ones when mixed.

    The solution?
    Let us have MORE ’11+ like’ deciding exams….
    Exam at 11+ to move from primary to secondary.
    Exam at 13+ to be re-allocated at secondary based on performance
    Exam at 15+ to be re-allocated at secondary based on performance
    Exam at 16+ to be channelled into a further education program – or a career program

    This is what ‘continuous assessment’ should look like.

    A child who is a late starter can transfer to the most suitable top school at 13 or 15 – as the situation dictates.
    EVERYONE is forced to continue to focus on excellence throughout school life.
    Doing well at 11+ because you are primed and crammed, is then of no benefit – since at 13+ your little donkey will be re-allocated, unless you can keep up…

    Such continuous assessments can also be used to identify NON-ACADEMIC talents and skills to between focused and built on.. by an enlightened system.

    This is really quite a simple matter.
    BUT…
    Like the NCDs such as diabetes and high blood pressure, it required us to rise ABOVE basic brass bowlery and to execute the steps needed to dispose of these ‘problems’.

    @ William
    Good points at 4:59PM … but flawed…because you first need to address the PURPOSE of ‘Education’, and thus exactly what we mean by the term.

    Is it REALLY just to produce pegs to fit into society’s round and square holes?
    …or is education something MUCH, MUCH more than that?


  41. Ping Pong September 16, 2017 at 2:20 AM #

    Agree fully. The privatization will begin moreso at the CAPE level, where the options are limited. Lack of enough spaces for quality teaching.

    The private schools will afford the best teachers, hand plucked from the main secondary school.

    Then, because UWI fees have increased, people will spend on new private schools that offer such as the international baccalaureate program or a degree with a link to an international university.

    You will see a contraction of the UWI.


  42. The REAL problem with our Eddykashun system comes from monkeys we have playing with gun at the MoE. Not a single person in or around that ministry has demonstrated the ability to think strategically in the last 30 years.

    The SINGLE BEST thing that could be done for EDUCATION in Barbados would be to close that shiite ministry, and keep one receptionist on staff for an additional year – to answer the phone and direct callers to the appropriate school Principal.

    Take the matter of the proliferation of ‘Sixth Form Schools’….
    What is the strategic objective? … to compete with BCC? …to create more high paying posts?
    …or it it just to reward mediocrity – as is our wont?

    Any such change SHOULD have been aimed at BROADENING the range of options available to talented students – BASED ON THEIR IDENTIFIED ABILITIES…. instead, it looks like a ploy to water-down the perception of ‘reaching sixth form’…. like the bright boys such as Ping Pong and PLT.

    If every Tom, Dick and Vincent can now routinely reach ‘sixth form’ … why would a Ping Pong bother to reach deeply into his intellectual potentialities to do the best that he can…?

    Rewards, praise and acclamations are GREAT …. when associated with TRUE effort and full exercise of potential…..
    Good thing no cheap …or easy.
    Easy thing no good … or cheap.

  43. Sunshine Sunny Shine Avatar
    Sunshine Sunny Shine

    Bush Tea

    The first time I ever read so much bup writing from you, pertaining to your contribution at 6:00pm. Ping Pong indeed has a point, but chad is a shite.


  44. Bush Tea showing off how bright he is again. There is no surprise he wants to hide and fire his intellectual shots just in case his gun is mis-firing.

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    @ Crusoe September 16, 2017 at 6:19 AM
    “Then, because UWI fees have increased, people will spend on new private schools that offer such as the international baccalaureate program or a degree with a link to an international university.
    You will see a contraction of the UWI.”

    That has been on the cards for sometime. Without the Faculty of Law at Cave Hill that Campus would have been closed by now.

    So why is the region producing so many lawyers in excess to requirements making the adage of ‘too many cooks spoil the broth’ most apt for what passes for judicial system in Barbados.
    There is far too much duplication in the offerings in training especially at the tertiary level for such a small country as Barbados.

    Just look at the dismal state (socially, economically and environmentally) Barbados now finds itself and ask if the UWI has produced the quality graduates needed for further development as a nation state.

    Even that joker now pretending to be follower of Saul on the road to Damascus Dr. Deliar Worthless has seen the darkness of the blinding effects of economic stagnation caused primarily by the piss-poor level of productivity on the island especially in the comatose public sector being administered by an overabundance of UWI intellectual abortions.

    A university education and degree is not a passport to a secured monthly salary as it is currently viewed by the majority of senior public sector workers but a golden opportunity to create a mirror image for self-improvement in order to contribute to national service and development.

    BTW, whatever has become of the plan to restructure and merge most of those tertiary institutions into a more appropriate University College of Barbados based on modern teaching and learning methodologies and technologies?


  46. Are teachers in the private schools unionised? If so, do they go on strike?


  47. @ Miller
    BTW, whatever has become of the plan to restructure and merge most of those tertiary institutions into a more appropriate University College of Barbados based on modern teaching and learning methodologies and technologies?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    …never happen.
    How does that create more jobs for lackies and yardfowls?
    That may lead to high standards being set (and fewer graduates per household)
    The Union wants more established positions … not less. Only one principal would be needed for example…

    Do you need more reasons…?

    @ SSS
    Bush Tea…
    The first time I ever read so much (p)up writing from you,
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Stop lying… 🙂

    Surely you have read more pup from Bushie in the past…
    There are MANY, MANY other things that the Bushman have said …that are way above your understanding…. no fault of yours…

    So why not be specific….?

  48. Sunshine Sunny Shine Avatar
    Sunshine Sunny Shine

    Be careful now, Tea Bush, you may think you are all of that, particularly since your head might be swollen from a few praises re your ability to expound and articulate; but there is nothing you write on here that is beyond anyone’s comprehension, well accept the occasional bup commentary with your brass bowl philosophy. Should we engage in a little bassa bassa on this subject of education? I ain’t fight with no one recently and you would be a nice opponent to get me out of my boring slumber over BU.


  49. Bim use to have one of the best education system on Earth. It has been mismanaged with far too much in fighting between the Govt, Teachers Unions et al. Couple years ago I was sitting with some prominent Toronto based Trinis and asked whether teachers in TT played the “Lessons” game. They categorically denied that that was happening in TT. What I did not have the chance to ask is how well teachers were paid.

    Everything about life in Bim seems to be about division rather than unison and then multiplication. This must change immediately we require a Revolution of thoughts and leadership as Bim is FAILING relative to where we should be in 2017 in most sectors–Education is critically important but does not just refer to Uni. In Ontario, we have the highest % of Uni grads, at least 25% were never prepared for Uni or capable of benefiting the country or themselves as a result, Bim should not be going down a similar path, we just dont have massive $$$$$ to waste like a very resource rich country like Canada.

    We must insist on channeling students to where the nation’s needs are eg we dont need 5,000 Sociologists and 10 Accountants—-many more Accountants must be produced. My nephew who was somewhat gifted in Math dropped out of Uni to become an Electrician, which pays very well. In Ontario there is a shortage of Trades people and these careers are much more lucrative than having some useless degree.


  50. @ SSS
    Nothing Bushie likes more than a fight…. especially a scrappy one with a vivacious wild thing up in the northern cold – just waiting to be tamed….. and intelligent too boot…

    So…Bushie said…
    The 11+ serves to create a situation where allocation to PREFERRED schools (for whatever reason) is done by academic merit – rather than by who knows the minister, or can pass some ‘grantley’s to a functionary with the ‘ability to skip something through…’

    Is this part of the ‘pup’ that you are smelling from the whacker…?

    ….or are you smelling the suggestion that what we need are MORE OBJECTIVE tests to make determinations in the direction of our youth….?

    Why not have COUNTRY-WIDE examinations every July …and use those results to allow students to have the choice of which school they attend the following year…?

    Why should student A be going to some mock school where nothing is taught …and then some easy shiite exam is given to allow him to score 89%
    …while a bright fella at school B is presented with an exam like granite – and only manages 48% and have to repeat that year at school B?

    ….WHY?

    Where is the pup?

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