Mia Mottley and Freundel Stuart represent the duopoly

Those of us who refuse to navel gaze by maintaining a keen interest in global affairs would have followed the the Brexit referendum and all that ensued in the United Kingdom, followed by the elevation of Donald Trump to the presidency of the USA. Both outcomes represent outcomes not predicted by many talking heads who represent the establishment. Both events exposed rising concerns by citizens about unfettered immigration; unprotected borders as well as the need to have greater focus on the domestic economy.

The French presidential election has taken on global interest in light of Brexit and the rise of Trumpism. As we scribe this blog Marine Le Pen from the far-right and Emmanuel Macron labelled a centrist have been projected to move to the second round of voting to determine who will be president of France on the 07 May 2017.

The BU household does not boast of any intimate knowledge of the political landscape of France, however, even from our arms distance there is enough to observe to provoke a comparison and critique of the Barbados political space.  One of the observations by French political commentators has been that the French people will have the opportunity to vote for the kind of France they want. In Macron they have a man who does not believe in left or right political ideologies but prefers the pragmatic approach to confronting the issues that confront France. He has taken the view for example that a strong France will have its foundation in the European Union.  On the other side of the presidential race there is Le Pen whose nationalist bent is about pursuing an anti European Union, anti immigration agenda and to reinstate the Franc as the currency of choice.

Unlike France there is no marked difference in the political ideology of the two main political parties that have governed Barbados since Independence in 1966. The homogeneity of the duopoly Barbadians have had to chose has led to a stasis state and a creep in voter lethargy.  BU is hopeful the platform agenda of all the political parties in Barbados will be about selling a vision for a new Barbados for the next 50 years. What messaging we have been exposed to so far is much of the same and akin to band-aiding serious injuries. Our governance model is seriously broken and bold leadership is required. To make the concern acute is the absence to date of charismatic leaders.

It has not escaped BU that Theresa May has returned to the people to seek a stronger mandate to pursue a hard-Brexit AND the rise of Donald Trump the rank outsider who fought against the so called establishment to win. Again in the French presidential election we have two individuals who have never run for public office. Across the globe there is the rise of populism. In Barbados in contrast we detect that although there is an annoyance by many directed at the two main political parties the third parties have not been able to gain traction to this point. We remain optimistic!

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141 responses to “The French in Bajan Politics”

  1. Vincent Haynes Avatar

    Hants April 24, 2017 at 8:42 AM #

    De Nederlanden and its colonies,also Antigua&Suriname are missing amongst other high users.

  2. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Lawson…look…lol..what did I tell you.

    “Toronto Star

    Donald Trump has discovered reasons not to like Canada. He is sure to find more.

    The U.S. president has realized belatedly that Canada, as part of its agricultural supply management program, discriminates against foreign dairy products — including U.S. milk. This miffs him no end.

    “We can’t let Canada or anyone else take advantage,” he fumed Thursday after returning to Washington from a trip to the dairy state of Wisconsin.

    Canada’s perfidy in the matter of milk, he said, served only to reinforce his view that the North American Free Trade Agreement is a disaster in need of a radical rewrite.

    Wait until he visits Michigan and finds out that Canada attracts U.S. auto manufacturers in part because our universal medicare system translates into lower health care costs. He’s going to blow his top.

    So far, the official reaction from Ottawa has been muted. Finance Minister Bill Morneau attributed Trump’s rant in part to the requirements of U.S. domestic politics. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau insisted that reasoned arguments could change the president’s mind. Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland made some of those reasoned arguments, pointing out that Canada buys far more dairy products from the U.S. than it sells.

    I fear they may be optimistic. Trump may change his mind dramatically about specifics (his about-face on the Syrian civil war was mind-boggling). But he has been remarkably consistent on the big things: his insistence that the U.S. has fared badly from trade deals and his claim that he can make America great again.

    He’s also canny in his madness. His latest rant against Canada, for instance, conveniently deflected media attention away from what he was doing at the time -— signing an executive order that takes aim at China’s steel industry.

    Trump is counting on China to defang North Korea’s nuclear missile program and has been at pains in recent weeks to avoid attacking Beijing’s trade practices directly.

    What he was signalling in his off-script remarks about Canada is that the NAFTA talks between Ottawa, Washington and Mexico City will be very, very tough. Canadian officials presumably knew this already. In a draft letter to Congress leaked late last month, some of Trump’s overarching goals in renegotiating NAFTA were laid out.

    These included elimination or diminution of Canada’s supply management system in dairy and poultry. They also included opening up Canadian government procurement to U.S. firms while maintaining the U.S. right to buy American.

    On Thursday, Trump threw in America’s perennial complaint about Canadian softwood lumber. The U.S. just can’t abide the fact that most Canadian forests are government-owned, insisting that this amounts to an unfair subsidy. So that part of his rant was no surprise.

    What did surprise was that he also railed against Canadian energy exports to the U.S, which usually American governments like (they reckon that we’re a more reliable source of supply than the Saudis).

    So it’s hard to know what Trump meant there.

    Overall, though, he was fairly clear about what he wants from Canada in the NAFTA talks. He wants more.

    He wants Canada to dismantle any trade barriers, such as supply management, that inconvenience the U.S. Simultaneously, he wants the U.S. to retain the right to erect trade barriers of its own.

    Trudeau may appeal to reason. He has pointed out, correctly, that all nations — including the U.S. — subsidize farmers.

    He was too polite to point out that Canada’s supply management system, which puts the entire burden on consumers, is more efficient than America’s jumbled system of farm subsidies, which puts the burden on taxpayers.

    But Trump isn’t in this game to be reasonable or to learn. He is in it to win.

    And no matter how much Ottawa panders — no matter how many Syrian bigwigs Freeland hits with economic sanctions, no matter how many times Trudeau squires Trump’s daughter Ivanka to the theatre — he still has us in his sights.

    That’s the message. That’s what this meant.

    Thomas Walkom appears Monday, Wednesday and Friday.”


  3. I’m surprised at the statistics presented by Hants, which indicated Barbados is among the “biggest weed smoking countries” at 8.3%, while Jamaica is at 7.21%.

    Noticeably absent is St. Vincent & the Grenadines where people smoke weed without fear, in public areas, as though they are smoking “555” or “Embassy” cigarettes.

  4. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Marcon may yet pull it off…he is a centrist Le Pen is too trumplike and extremist another Hitler wannbe, one idiot of that nature rampaging on the earth is more than enough for now in 2017….lol

    “French election: Emmanuel Macron ‘to blow Marine Le Pen out of the water’ in second round
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    The centrist made historic gains in the first round, with his independent En Marche! campaign receiving 23.8 per cent of the vote, closely followed by the National Front candidate on 21.5 per cent.

    However, despite the tight margin, experts believe there are very few scenarios that could put the brakes on Mr Macron’s charge to the Élysée Palace.”

    “French politics expert Dr Rainbow Murray, from Queen Mary University of London, told The Independent Mr Macron is set to “blow Le Pen out of the water” and said it would take a scandal of “significant proportion” to ruin his chances.

    “The presidency is Macron’s for the taking. Le Pen is too divisive and she does not have the majority of the electorate that she would need,” she said.

    “An unprecedented scandal is the only scenario, as I see it, that could halt Macron’s chances, even another terrorist attack I think wouldn’t change the outcome.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/marine-le-pens-election-would-be-bad-for-france-the-eu-and-the-eus-friends-a7697011.html

    “Of those six possible pairings, one would be disastrous for France and for the European Union: a run-off between Marine Le Pen and Jean-Luc Mélenchon. They are both hostile to the EU and if either were to succeed to the presidency it could spell the end of the euro and of the EU as we know it. While there are problems with sustaining the currency union, which imposes terrible austerity on southern Europe, a disorderly breakup of the euro is in nobody’s interest. As for the EU itself, we are fortunate that our European partners have taken the British decision to leave with such equanimity, but if France were to leave too it is hard to see how it can survive. Then the continent would be prey to competing nationalisms and we might learn the hard way that the Union really has helped to keep the postwar peace.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-mayor-annezin-daniel-delomez-marine-le-pen-resign-a7698501.html

    “French mayor whose town voted for Front National candidate Marine Le Pen said he may resign as he does not want to dedicate his life to “pricks.”

    Daniel Delomez called the result in Annezin in northern France “catastrophic”, after 38 per cent of the electorate voted for the far-right candidate.

    “It is catastrophic. It’s possible that I will step down as I do not want to dedicate my life to arseholes,” he told French publication L’Avenir de l’Artois.

    The mayor has been hailed a “hero”, with users quick to take to social media to praise his candour.

    “He is my idol,” one wrote. Another said: “Well done, he makes me feel better about humanity.”

    It came as the latest results put Ms Le Pen through to the second round of France’s presidential election with 21.53 per cent of the vote.

    The far-right eurosceptic was more than two percentage points behind independent centrist candidate Emmanuel Macron, on 23.74 per cent – the clear favourite to triumph in the second round.”

  5. Vincent Haynes Avatar

    Interesting to hear Wiggins and a woman from the Pine stating on Brasstacks that Grant would not be getting their votes nor that from a number of individuals in the area.

  6. Vincent Haynes Avatar

    David

    Did you read in todays Nation about the mysterious death of a Kenyan lady in Bim last year…….her sister came over recently and apparently is not satisfied.

    How come we never hear of these things until much later……somebody better check ND as they may have the full scoop with a high up Bimmer involved.


  7. The problem with American dairy products is the rbST hormone their farmers use. Importing more is not going to help. In Canada, it has to be labelled and many Canadians will not buy it. I am not even sure Health Canada approved it.

  8. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    http://bit.ly/2pergyU

    Lol….it’s nothing but funny.

    Rihanna tried some sprucing up..lol

    “In the first photo posted by the 29-year-old singer, the Queen is seen rocking a bright green hat attached to Rihanna’s fur green coat and matching boots.

    “Be humble,” Rihanna wrote in the caption.

    The second image shows the British monarch in Rihanna’s famous red heart-shaped coat. The fur coat is paired with ridiculously tiny shorts and strappy high-heels.

    In the caption, the “Work” singer reminds everyone that they are “ash” and the Queen is “lotion.”

  9. fortyacresandamule Avatar
    fortyacresandamule

    @Vincent. I agree. These so-called ‘father of the nation’ across the region makes me cringe. Independence was given to us, we didn’t fought for ours.

    We are so desperate for heroes, that we have accorded some people the title, whose accomplishments can best be described as ordinary, undistinguished, and uninspiring. I get it, human beings or nations on a whole need stories, heroes, symbols etc for national identity, historical legacy, inspiration and hope. But why do we have to stoop so low?

  10. Vincent Haynes Avatar

    fortyacresandamule April 24, 2017 at 5:01 PM #

    As far as I am concerned the only person born in Bim that qualifies above all others is London Bourne,born into slavery,bought his freedom,owned 3 plantations and slaves,owned a mercantile fleet that traded in slaves and financed the establishment of a new African country that was settled by his progeny,he died in Bim before he could have made the journey.

    Against the odds he overcame the conditions of his birth,fought the system of the time and emerged as the first true entrepreneur of pigment in Bim.

    Another chap Joseph Rangell could qualify as well but not as much is known of him.

    The bleeding hearts in and out of academia object to Bourne being a hero or even acknowledged because of his involvement in slavery but that was the going capitalist business model of the time with many African kings making a mint from it even with the King of Opobo writing the english monarch objecting strenously to the cessation of the slave trade by england and how it would affect the countries earnings.

    You are correct about the making/inventing heroes…..we have our academic institution to thank for the several myths.


  11. Vincent, that 6:17 PM stance lacks rational gravitas. The fact that the slave trade or salve labour was a ‘going business concern’ of the day can provide no path of acceptance for any Black man who saw fit to use that commercial enterprise to wealth.

    Let’s be clear here. Some options are just not acceptable regardless of the era.

    You cannot make a gentleman out of a slave trader (King of Opobo) unless said person operated that business in order to remove the shackles of bondage from those so enslaved.

    If his plantations employed the laborers as ‘freed folks’ and facilitated them in a manner unbound and free of whipping and harsh servitude then give him acclaim.

    If not your prose is rather difficult to accept.

    (I do not know the history of London Bourne’s exploits.)

  12. Vincent Haynes Avatar

    dpD

    Slavery was/is an acceptable business for millenia….check out Libya today.

    Slavery became unacceptable because it became uneconomic for a couple of centuries…..note I am being dispassionate,objective and unemotional on this issue which profited a number kingdoms in Africa and Europe……facts are facts unpleasant or not.

  13. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    @ Hal
    Once we start to critically analyze Barrow,
    we should also look at Grantley Adams.
    There are many historians, who believe
    that Adams was also given lots of
    undeserved credit.
    We should also pay more attention to
    Frank Walcott because in many instances,
    he could very well emerge as the true father
    of what we consider modern Barbados.


  14. William,

    No doubt all three men, and more, deserve a rightful place in our social history, but as long as that history is defined by party allegiance it will always be distorted.
    Adams did more than most to drag us out of the 19th century in to the 20th when the Executive Council was abolished and universal suffrage was introduced.
    Our celebrated historians are so poor, that they do not even know about the important developments in our history. It was Adams who extended secondary education to ordinary working families, not Barrow; we got scholarships in those days; it was Adams who carried out the last major infrastructural development in Barbados, the Deep Water Harbour, which was started wen containers were at the cutting edge of world trade; however, it was Barrow, in 1961, who got the praise when it was officially opened.
    It was Adams who started the QEH, but Barrow who got the praise when it was officially opened by the Queen in 1963, It was Adams who gave us an international airport.
    Another hero of that time was ED Mottley. He fed the hungry with his Park kitchen; he gave food, clothes and books to kids who got in to secondary schools and their families could not afford to send them; Mottley, from his den in the lower green, often handed out cash to impoverished people.
    We can argue until the cows come home that he also took some of that money, but compared to the waste of space we now have as politicians, he was an angel. Most of all, when Barrow and the so-called Young Turks were planning to stab Adams in the back, it was Mottley who gave them private advice on forming the new party.
    About Walcott and Blunt (it was a team, not just Walcott) what can be said. The two men brought representation to the port waters and the lightermen, they had organised a social network of support, trade unionists believed in Walcott and Blunt.
    As a little boy I looked forward to going to King George park on Mayday, even as a teenager. This current generation of so-called trade unionists do not merit being mentioned in the same breath. It was the BWU who opened the college in St Philip, education was a priority.
    In short, William, Adams Walcott and Blunt were twice the men Barrow was. The only spot on Adams was representing Swaine, a blatant murderer. That however was the flaw in the cab rank custom of taking on clients so common in the legal profession in those days.

  15. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
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    Lawson……ya illiterate boyfriend in Washington gone crazy, he is trying to get Canada to freak.

    In the wasteland of Washington’s political swamp April may not be the cruellest month, but it is turning out to be the craziest, especially for Canada, as President Trump desperately hunts for some cheap political wins. In trying to validate his shambolic first 100 days in office, a time where palace intrigue has over-shadowed his anemic policy accomplishments, Trump first decided that rounding on Canadian dairy farmers is easy fodder. Now he’s gone further. Late Monday night the U.S. Department of Commerce hit Canada with tariffs or “counter veiling duties” of up to 24 per cent per cent on some softwood lumber.

    The Canadian response was immediate. “The Government of Canada disagrees strongly with the U.S. Department of Commerce’s decision to impose an unfair and punitive duty,” Ministers Jim Carr and Chrystia Freeland said. “The accusations are baseless and unfounded.”

    If it wasn’t clear already, this is a huge deal, especially in B.C. where an election is in full tilt. But Trump’s not done yet. Coming soon, according to U.S. government sources: wine sales in B.C. are in Trump’s sights. Crazy April is about to get even crazier”


  16. @WWC, dPD and Vincent Haynes thanks for your kind words, but I have long chosen to ignore (and will continue to disregard) the nonfactual utterances of certain inconsequential detractors on BU. However, for the record, David shares my articles, not through my request, but of his own volition if I post something on my Blog which he thinks may be of interest. And for that I am grateful to him. Those who do not wish to read my articles are free not to.

    @Vincent Haynes, interesting question. I am not aware that was under discussion but I may have missed it.
    Remember, however, the outermost regions of France are integral parts of the French Republic as per Article 72 of the French Constitution of 1958. So they are not colonies and it would not be a matter of just getting rid of them. I also think immigration, the economy and geopolitical issues such as withdrawing France from the EU will be the main initial areas of focus of a Le Pen presidency as opposed to the status of the FCORs or any of the other French ORs.

  17. Vincent Haynes Avatar

    caribbeantradelaw April 25, 2017 at 7:27 AM #

    Thanks for your comment re regions as opposed to colonies.

    I too hope David continues to share your articles on topical issues.

  18. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    @ Hal
    Tom Adams, to his credit, did recognize Blunt, by bestowing a Knighthood on him.


  19. SOCIAL ACTIVIST Hamilton Lashley is calling for amendments to be made to the national sports policy for athletes.

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/96111/cricketer-firing-national-injustice#sthash.7NHwhjlx.dpuf


  20. Well Well I told you he was going to make your boyfriend squirm and I love to watch it. We have been fighting over milk and trees forever up here, but this is trumps way of branding trudeau so whenever you think of him you will think of soft lumber. Photo shopping the queen with her head on that hot body did two things made the queen look like she had a been working out and riri,s body looked like it got some brains.


  21. Hal@3.59a
    The deep water harbour was opened in May 1961 by Grantley Adams then PM of the WIF.I recall Barrow saying to the press at the time that after opening the harbour,Adams should jump in the water and don’t come back.I don’t recall anybody pushing the idea that Barrow was instrumental in building the harbour,neither for that matter the QEH which opened in ’64 as I recall.I remember the controversy was to do with the sugar windfall money that Walcott wanted paid to the workers but Adams wanted to use for the payment of the QEH.
    Regarding the disestablishment of the Anglican Church that was on the cards for many years and nothing to do with Reginald Barrow.The priest attached to our church returned to the U.K. in the ’50s and in his farewell speech I recall him saying that with the pending change in the church’s structure he was forced to return to the U.K with his bajan wife.
    Adams and state funded secondary education is accurate so is Barrow’s real reason for abolition of the city and district councils.Pure jealousy and power grab and nothing to do with money matters.


  22. Gabriel,

    I am at a loss as to the point you want to make. What Barrow said about Adams may be a footnote in history. It is not of interest to me.
    I did not say Barrow had anything to do with the building of the harbour, or indeed the QEH. I said the harbour was opened in 1961, you say May 1961. Barrow came to power in 1961. My point is to the contrary. As to the QEH opening in 1963 or 64, what does it matter apart from scoring a petty little point? As to the sugar windfall, where did that come from? I mentioned nothing about sugar windfall. Thank you for admitting that Adams opened secondary education to the working people.
    I was one of the fortunate ones who benefited from that. He also built Parkinson School, Princess Margaret and St Joseph’s, so in your own way you have contributed to debunking the myth of Barrow and free secondary education.
    I am afraid you are so keen to prove me wrong that you create straw men. Whoever you are, I suggest you read my postings carefully. It is not nice hiding and freeing blank shots.


  23. Barrow never got any praise for the opening of Seawell Airport,(he started the new airport in ’71 but Tom Adams opened it in ’78 or ’79 and it was named after Grantley)the harbour nor for the QEH.The harbour was opened in May ’61 and Barrow’s DLP won the election on 4th Dec ’61 with less votes than the BLP.Let me spell it out to you.The harbour was started in June of ’57 and officially opened on May 6th 1961 all during the BLP regime of ’55 to ’61.What is in a name?it ‘s more to do with putting you right,name or no name.Facts are facts Hal.Name is nothing to do with what I’m saying.You are supposed to be a top of the line journalist however you publish fake news at times which tend to mislead those not apprised of the facts.Im just helping you to go back and make the necessary changes to your notes in your exercise book with the multiplication tables.This is the second time I have seen you accuse wrongfully,Barrow and the Anglican Church.Fake news Hal.


  24. What are the fats? The point is that you want to make a point and are determined to do it whatever. What at you putting me right about? That the harbour was opened in 1961, is that wrong? It started functioning as a proper commercial port under the 1961 DLP government. Seawell was an international airport before it was rebuilt. It was Adams who made it an international airport – the regional airport for the Eastern Caribbean.
    The nonsense about Barrow starting the new airport in 1971, is rubbish. He improved it, the airport was already in existence.
    You seem concerned that I am a ‘top of the line journalist’. I have never claimed that for myself, and I am now a pensioner, not a journalist. But if that is eating away at you, be my guest. If that is what you want to talk about, we can do that some time.
    Give me one example of fake news from me, however you define ‘fake’. I am saying that it is a fact that Barrow took revenge on the Anglican church because his father was not made bishop. You dispute it with nonsense about a long discussion. That is speculation.
    This is beginning to look like some party issue, but you got the wrong man.
    All I am saying is that both men did Barbados proud, but in context, Adams was the greater man. Funnily, he seems to be a dirty secret for the BLP.
    As I said, you are so determined to put me in my place you do not mind creating straw men. Stick to what I say, and not what you think I mean.

  25. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    @ Hal
    Grantley Adams was a “dirty” secret of the
    BLP until Owen Arthur left! Now they are
    trying to resurrect Sir Grantley because
    they can no longer trumpet Arthur as the
    great savior of the country.
    It shows that the BLPDLP are political
    carnibals of the highest order.


  26. William,
    Bajans are not above revisionist history. It sounds better.


  27. Barrow found Seawell Airport terminal building built in 56/57 with 7000 ft of runway. With his keen interest in matters aviation and an eye on a developing tourism industry Barrow extended the terminal building and the runway to 11000 ft. Under his personal oversight,work began on a new terminal building in 71 with technical and financial support from the Canadian government.Seawell International Airport was renamed GAIA and consists of 3 terminal buildings.


  28. Gabriel,
    Barrow did not ‘found’ Seawell in 56/57. That is really fake. Seawell Plantation created an air strip during the Gr eat Depression and after the war it was made in to a proper airport. By 56/57 it was already functioning; I know since as a little boy I went there to see a relative off on BOAC.
    Details about the dimensions of the terminals are irrelevant; this is not an essay about the history of the airport.
    It is about debunking myth-making, the so-called father of independence and putting his role in proper perspective.
    I| was not aware that Barrow was an architect or structural engineer to oversee the construction of the building, or is this another myth – more fake news.
    Still awaiting evidence of ‘fake’ news from me at any time over the last 45 years, from any source.


  29. ‘Found’was meant to convey the past tense of the verb ‘to find’.Read the sentence again.In other words Barrow expanded Seawell Airport significantly and for good reason.I remember the Airport was used by the RAF and by British West Indian Airways DC-3’s during the 40’s.I recall one aircraft in particular with the inscription under the wing VP TAP.
    You may have the last word.

  30. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
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    “lawson April 25, 2017 at 8:38 AM #
    Well Well I told you he was going to make your boyfriend squirm and I love to watch it. ”

    But my boyfriend is not taking that lying down though, he has to act like the adult and take away the illiterate’s pacifier.

    Rihanna used her brains to try to spruce up the old hag, she never looked that good before, but unfortunately nothing could be done about the face, there are certain things money just cannot buy….lol


  31. Found in that context has a single meaning. As used it is the wrong word. You must say what you mean, not what you think you mean, that is the first principle of debate.


  32. What !!your boyfriend ran to his mum for a cuddle when that big mean american didnt ask him to play golf, so you think he is going to be the adult LOL he is going to get his ass whupped. America needs someone to pay for the wall and the missiles.
    I agree with you….. she used her brains to spruce her up ……what does that tell you


  33. @ Hal
    Found in that context has a single meaning.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Stop being childish and petty.

    What single meaning what??!!
    Bushie read it to mean – “Barrow (came and ) found Seawell Airport terminal building built in 56/57 with 7000 ft of runway…..”

    In the context that you seek to interpret, Gabriel would have said something like “David(BU) found(ED) Barbados Underground ten years ago”.

    Speaking of which, in Bushie’s book, David(BU) deserves a day…….. 🙂


  34. Bushie
    Up and On! It is written…..many are called,few are chosen.The Anglican Church has been dis-established throughout the West Indies and if you are to believe fake news,it was all the work of a man name Errol Barrow who acted out of a sense of rage when the Anglican Church did not ‘make’ his father Rev Reginald Barrow bishop of Barbados.Gay Mandeville was enthroned in 1951.Barrow had no influence then.Lewis Evans was enthroned in 1960.Barrow had no influence then.Drexel Gomez was enthroned in 1972.The church was dis-established in Barbados in 1969.The nonsense of Barrow and the Anglican Church falling out and leading to dis-establishment is a nancy story…..fake news.

  35. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/palestinian-authority-uk-balfour-declaration-israel-sue-israel-zionism-refuse-apologise-lawsuit-a7702866.html

    Typical UK……proud they created the monster that is Israel to steal Palestinian land and dont want to apologize for that evil, the only reason they owned up to the enslavement of black people, but also refused to apologize and are also proud of that evil, is they enjoyed their crimes so much, wanted to brag and boast about being beasts so much, that they documented every little evil detail…, but that curse will follow them into eternity.

    “UK refuses to apologise to Palestinians for Balfour Declaration and says it is ‘proud of role in creating Israel’

    British Government says it is ‘proud of our role in creating the State of Israel’

    Lizzie Dearden @lizziedearden 40 mins ago156 comments

    Palestinian leaders have vowed to sue the British Government after it refused to apologise for a 1917 declaration that paved the way for the creation of Israel.

    Mahmoud Abbas had called for an apology in his address to the UN General Assembly in September, ahead of planned celebrations by British and Israeli officials to mark the centenary of the Balfour Declaration.

    More than 13,500 people signed a petition calling for the Government to “openly apologise to the Palestinian people” over the letter, saying the UK’s colonial policy caused “mass displacement” and injustice.”


  36. How many jews signed the petition


  37. Oh gee Bushie @7:20 AM, We agree again.

    I read that Hal remark this morning and thought that my failing eyesight had finally failed. I had to go get my glasses and re-read.

    Like you I read @Gabriel’s ‘found’ remark as: The airport was there. It had 7K Ft of runway. Barrow found it in that state.

    No way could a English reader and editor come away with any other basic understanding if (BIG if) the pertinent focus of the debate was to understand and then discuss vigorously the core of what was clearly intended… not the person’s politics, race or other extraneous matters but just the facts.

    Ah well. Some stylists call Hal’s approach sophistry and such fancy words but in simple jargon he is playing rather poor word games.

    For a man who used words as his reason for being for so many years that is odd and very perplexing.


  38. @ Dribbler
    Just goes to show that living in England for 40 years don’t make you an English expert.

    Two different words altogether.
    ‘Found’ – past tense of ‘find’… and ‘Found’ as in “be the founder of”….

    In the latter case, it is almost always past tense (since anyone who was the founder of something had to have done it in the past) so the word is almost exclusively ‘founded’.

    Say what we like, however…
    We have to admit that Hal ask some good, and needed questions….. 🙂


  39. Bush Tea,
    I had decided to quit a silly discussion, but your contribution is wisdom after the fact. Shows you that we are two people divided by a common language.
    Context is everything. It is claimed Barrow ‘found’ the terminal/airport in 1956/7. In 1956 Barrow was leader of the newly founded DLP; the BLP was still in power. It was the year Barrow lost his St George seat.
    He became leader of the DLP in 1958. Plse explain how Barrow ‘found’ the terminal/airport and managed to oversee its renovation. Was it a private project.
    I accept that the sentence was badly phrased. I presume he meant that Barrow found the terminal in such a dilapidated state…..,
    But that is not important. What is important is Barrow assuming role in the development of the airport at such a time in his political career? Plse explain.
    This time I am really out of the discussion. By the way, a year ago we had the same debate in BU. Are we now recycling debates?

  40. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Lawson…..of course you would ask that question.lol…..

    ……ya better look for better trading partners with populations in the billion range…the illiterate is planning to pull out of NAFTA..


  41. @David of BU “the French people will have the opportunity to vote for the kind of France they want. In Macron they have a [young] man.

    You will note that Macron is a young man, under 40.

    Where oh where are our people aged 18 to 39 who like Macron will step forward to lead?

    I am tired of our current lot of geriatrics (both parties)


  42. @Hal, you gotta be mekking real sport with another obzocky mutilation of the Queen’s English viz : ” What is important is Barrow assuming role in the development of the airport at such a time in his political career? Plse explain.”

    Seriously!

    My old man used to regale me with stories of how EWB ‘manhandled’ a lot of the projects…or in the words of the blogger directed matters “under his personal oversight”.

    Obviously done through lieutenants and too personal directives.

    Barrow wasn’t a physicist either but he certainly had his fingers all over HARP (as an example)!

    That you question such obvious and omni-present political ‘glad-handling’ and oft times oppressive control of the political largesse that we still see so visibly today with your dismissive remarks ” I was not aware that Barrow was an architect or structural engineer to oversee the construction …” is amusing.

    Stop playing your political theatrics, fah real.

    RECYCLING: I suspect we will stop recycling debates when politicians stop recycling the issues.

    Wasn’t the context and thrust of the Brexit non-inclusive debate not vigorously prosecuted by British right wingers like Tyndall and the various Aryan or other ‘hate’ groups of years past!

    Wasn’t the very same debate that rose up around Trump not almost verbatim enunciated by Presidential speech writer/presidential candidate Pat Buchanan years ago (seems like eons now)!

    Isn’t the cries and fight of Malcolm X and the other more aggressive Black Power activists (and vigilantes) not heard today with Black Lives Matter…and too the same tired rhetorical excuses from the out-of-date police officials (thankfully not all of them)!

    Please!

    We have undoubtedly progressed but these issues are similar (almost said the same)… unfortunately worst, but very much similar to days pasts.


  43. @Gabriel April 26, 2017 at 10:15 AM Anglican Church did not ‘make’ his father Rev Reginald Barrow bishop of Barbados…The nonsense of Barrow and the Anglican Church falling out and leading to dis-establishment is a nancy story…fake news.”

    I have been an Anglican for nearly 70 years and I’ve never heard the story about Barrow disestablishing the Anglican Church because of any falling out over his father being Bishop.

    Also I knew Reginald Barrow quite well. Had many conversations with him when he lived on the land side of Highway 1 back in the 1970’s, a little bit north of where the Cuban memorial is located. He never talked about wanting to be Bishop of Barbados. He did not seem to be particularly religious, and in any event he wasn’t an Anglican.

    Fake news, on top of fake news. Doubly fake news. LOL!


  44. @lawson April 26, 2017 at 12:27 PM “How many jews signed the petition?”

    http://jfjfp.com/
    Look here.


  45. Simple Simon
    That would have been his son who lived at the junction of Holder’s Hill and Highway 1 as you described.I think Reggie jnr liked to tinker with car engines.What is ironic in all this however is that Reginald G Barrow left the Anglican Church and was ordained bishop of the African Orthodox Church in the US in 1923!!


  46. Oh dear Gabriel. No it was not Reginald’s son. It was Reginald himself. Erroll Barrow was Prime Minister then, and I knew the old man well. Used to visit him regularly.

    The old man was living quietly on his own, near the now Cubana monument back in the 1970’s. I am not at all forgetful, nor am I making up things.

    I’ve never met Reggie Jr.


  47. When Reginald Barrow left the Anglican church and joined the AME church, Errol Barrow was a toddler.


  48. @Hal Austin April 25, 2017 at 3:59 AM “Our celebrated historians are so poor, that they do not even know about the important developments in our history. It was Adams who extended secondary education to ordinary working families, not Barrow.”

    I started attending political meetings in 1961 and I still attend the meetings of the BLP and the DLP.

    Our celebrated historians are not poor.

    No sensible Barbadian disputes that secondary education was opened up to poor people when the Parkinson, West St. Joseph and St. Leonard’s schools were opened.

    In fact I clearly recall hearing Frank Walcott speaking at a political meeting in 196, and he repeated over and over again–it may have been one of the DLP’s slogans in 1961–“Free Secondary Education for all, or Free Secondary Education for none at all”

    The understanding was that secondary education was going to be expanded to all, and that those government school which charged fees would no longer do so.

    Even so it took until 1976 for a secondary school place to be available for each child. I well remember when Tom Adams mandated the final push in extending secondary education to all, the community center in Speightstown was temporarily pushed into use as space for a secondary school


  49. So unless we assume that Reginald Barrow held on to his bitterness of not being part of the Anglican priesthood in the 1930’s and transmitted that bitterness to his son nearly 40 years later, any talk about disestablishing the Anglican church because his father was not made bishop is just a canard. In any event by the time Errol became Prime Minister his father was
    not an Anglican so could not be bishop, and was an elderly man who no longer had worldly ambitions.


  50. April 26, 2016 – US President Donald Trump has ditched plans to fund his border wall from the budget, in favour of a plan to have congress place a 2% tax on remittances to countries mainly in Latin America and the Caribbean.

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