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fakenewsRecently a list of more than 200 ‘alternative news sites’ were referenced by the Washington Post, as secondary source, as being the bearers of questionable information. These 200 websites covered a fairly wide range of opinion, from Russia’s RT to Alex Jones’ Prison Planet Radio.

We will argue that anything we see, hear or read, in any environment, could hardly be considered beyond question. Whether we are talking about politics, economy, technology, physical environment, social or legal we see nothing but official lies passing as truths. For it is the area between our ears which represents the most valuable real estate on earth, or mars, for the community of interests.

In between, many critical, alternative news sites, were tarred and feathered by forces which seem to have cleverly cloaked an intention to eliminate or stain fierce competition to the perennial lies of the mainstream. Our instincts suggest, that the targeting of some of the sites was to engender a certain level of confusion. In the intelligence business, such a project is best known as a ‘limited hang-out’.

And it has been previously disclosed that all the major, official, fake news networks, CNN, MSNBC, FOX News, Deutsche Welle, BBC, France 21, PBS, Public Radio, etc, are provided constant guidance by the intelligence agencies of the USA. They have their networks of people stationed within. How else would they be able to cover the same (selected) issues in generally the same ways, at the same time, by the same kinds of people, while always reaching the same kinds conclusions.

We were in Czechoslovakia about 30 years ago, to witness an amazing and ongoing propaganda coup. It was a country where the people watched the fake news to hear what was NOT being reported. To make judgements about what the regime did NOT say. In the West, we have come to need that kind of intelligence, especially when dealing with private media working as government propagandists.

Or the story about the Russians who came to the USA during the time of the USSR and wondered how all the media would cover all the stories in the same way. They were to marvel at such a feat and hoped to be able to implement same behind the ‘iron curtain’. What freedom! What fake news!

Or even ‘Democracy Now’, a programmed stolen from WBAI as developed by the late Samori Marksman, which continues to distribute fake news about some formation called LGBTQ. With an Amy Goodman telling the same kinds of officials lies about America’s illegal wars as does the mainstream, to appease her funders. Funders linked to the military-industrial-intelligence-complex. These are the so-called ‘progressives’ in media. They are no less infiltrated.

Our world is highly-propagandized state. The globalization of propaganda. Every major institution is infiltrated by intelligence agencies of one kind or the next. More and more electronically. And fake news is a strategic weapon for internal control.

Or the Caribbean Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) whose notion of evening fake news could be missed by viewers for 15 years without being any less mis-informed. This state-sponsored propaganda medium never seems to be able to find a way to be even critically supportive of the regime of the day.

We were surprised at the emergence of fake news, about fake news, at the height of fake news, in the time of Trump and his ‘fakery’. Just maybe, the emergence of fake news may have something to do with the rise of Trumpism. And while there may be some logic to that way of thinking, there is also an age-old problem of fake news which must be engaged.

We can’t but argue that fake news has become the normal way of the human. Even ‘good news’ is no less fake. Do we not know, with certainty, that the Bible is replete, from genesis to revelations, with fake news? Have we not been raised on Reddiffusion and the BBC with fake news, the news the British wanted us to hear? Is it not a truism that from the very beginnings of time fake information has been used to deceive most of us? Is it not fake information which has our world upside down?

In all this, there is a misguided presumption that the Washington Post, the Barbados Nation, The Advocate News, the New York Times, operate above the spectre of fake news. Are these not the leading lights of journalism, which gave us the illegal wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. Supported terrorists as proxy armies for empire. Promoted the ‘White Helmets’ as recipients for Nobel Prizes, Right Livelihood Awards – the alternative Nobel. And do not local papers carry international news from a very small circle of media.

While Obama is exiting and Trump, taking over, the nexus between the intelligence agencies and the role of propaganda or fake news is centered around Russia and its alleged interference in the US elections. How much more fake can ‘news’ be? None of the media who we are to tell the ‘real’ fake news can possibly address the 800-pound gorilla in the room.

That real news is the centuries’ old interference in other countries’ elections by American government agencies, particularly the CIA and NGOs in its pay. If we were from Mars we would be left to assume that this type of thing has never happened before, not on earth. Not when the media of the most powerful country is willing to spread the fake news of its president, in cahoots with untrustworthy secret agencies, based wholly on unproven statements.

If we were from Mars, we might even assume that earthlings were unintelligent beings. If the most powerful man, in the most powerful country, was the most stupid person on the planet, we would conclude that the humanoid was not very smart at all. We could not have known that the humanoid was so ill-informed, and purposely made to be, by fake news. Trumpism for you!

But the Martians will quickly come to realize how earthlings are made to operate within a tapestry of lies. And that for them to gain power on earth they must take control of the vast architecture of fake news which dominates the lives of earthlings.

At the center of the social sciences is the need to measure perceptions, determine gaps and finds ways to satisfy needs. In the hands of politicians, intelligence apparati and ‘fake news’ media networks, instead of managing perceptions, human perceptions are created by this vast propaganda ‘machines’.

We have lost control over notions of free will. Are firmly located within the post-1984 world of George Orwell. And way beyond the ‘manufacturing of consent’!

373 responses to “Fake News, Media Propaganda & ‘Managing’ Public Perceptions”


  1. This is all cloak and dagger stuff.The intel agencies cannot tell the truth,the whole truth and nothing but the truth.If they do,they may as well shut up shop.Those peeps have the most advanced resources imaginable and they use them.Trump is too self-opinionated to accept that Hilary buss his ass with more than 3 million popular votes.His ego is so big he can’t deal with that fact.It serves his purpose to fudge the facts and creat doubts in his hillbillie supporters’ minds.


  2. Now once again the subject of Gun Control would be high on the table which President elect donald Trump would have to confront as another priority of concern among the american people.
    However i belive his gut feeling would respond by advising that state and local govt enforce or regulate stiffer laws which would effect citizen fundamental freedoms

  3. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @David, I will agree with Pacha that we are now evolving more fake news. Since his briefing Trump has NOT denied Russian involvement as shown in his statement so carefully parsed. BUT he has DENIED that any hacking affected the election….Let’s give the man his due there.

    He knew weeks ago the thrust of the alleged Russian involvement; one can argue that he knew since the debates or since October when the Intel folks first became more convinced.

    I do not recall when he first started getting classified briefings but it is beyond naive for any of us to perceive that with a former DIA head on his team and various other former senior intel players with top secret clearance ( they don’t lose the designation unless it’s taken away for cause) that they were not privy to more of the back room data not made public and INFORMED him. That back channel ops is exactly how this process works.

    Trump has simply been a small-hand dick ‘tracy’ who thinks his balls are the biggest! His ego is slavishly protecting his rousing victory and that is why and where he is stridently denying the Russians involvement.

    What is asinine is that he can make that case strongly without disparaging or fighting with the various agencies. His attitude (and ego) is dangerously ridiculous.

    @Sargeant at 10:34 AM …I did not realize you were such a diplomat. You said that “…Putin embraced relationships with Western leaders like Berlusconi of Italy and Schroeder of Germany […] which is all the more interesting now that Tillerson …is now the US Secretary of State designate.”

    From memory, I believe both those leaders were subsequently investigated for major conflict of interest financial matters (euphemism for corruption). Obviously the 150 companies across the globe reported to be handing Trump’s debt load will in NO WAY be involved with any Russians and their money …..Superior diplomacy on your part.

    “… so the Report will satisfy some but will leave others yearning for more tansparency/details” . It shouldn’t if we are being truly transparent with ALL public knowledge.

    The emphasis on RT , particularly the metrics on that station’s reach, were interesting to say the least. Their Clinton attacks along with the editor’s visits to Assange and the general relationship between them is very powerful circumstantial evidence.

    The excerpts of remarks made by Russian elected officials about preparation for war if Clinton were elected is very powerful.

    And maybe I missed it but no mention was made in the report of Russian UN Reps bringing a FORMAL complaint against Zeid Ra’ad al-Hussein, the U.N. high commissioner for human rights when he ….CRITICIZED Trump.

    Where in the word except for this Manchurian candidate virtual fake universe would that happen. The press did not make a big deal about it and strangely neither did the Intel guys.

    Taken all together it is unequivocal that Russia backed a specific US presidential candidate.

    Whether they hacked the DNC and gave the email trove to Wikileaks is NOT the point…every other message, action and Russia state sponsored directive was clearly aimed towards that end.

    And all 16 intel agencies are pellucid in that knowledge. They are not idiots nor politically motivated on security.

    The WHY, perhaps, we will discover soon enough one imagines!


  4. Trump did not deny Russian hacking neither did Trump gave sufficient sway to distant much of his pass comments from his irrational conclusion on the varying roles Putin/Russians orchestrated to influence the election in his favour
    The constant nuances to normalize Trump is as sickening and deceitful as the Russian hacking.


  5. What is the latest with the plan for Trump to distance himself from his empire? Does the failed move by the Republicans to clip the wings of the ethics committee have anything to do with it? These people are such hypocrites.

  6. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    All of this is going to turn so ugly and I love it..lol

    “NewsWorldAmericas
    Former CIA director James Woolsey quits Trump transition team day before president-elect speaks on Russia hack

    His departure will be ‘effective immediately’

    Rachael Revesz New York @RachaelRevesz Friday 6 January 2017175 comments

    The Independent US
    James-Woolsey.jpg
    Mr Woolsey said last week that Trump could be ‘playing us’ about his knowledge on Russian cyber hacks Getty

    Less than 24-hours before Donald Trump is set to announce his so-called knowledge of Russia hacking, one of his top intelligence advisers has quit his team.

    Former CIA director James Woolsey will no longer serve as an adviser to the President-elect or be part of the transition team as he was reportedly “excluded” from talks.

    Mr Woolsey’s spokesman, Jonathan Franks, said that his departure will be “effective immediately”.

    READ MORE
    FBI backs CIA view that Russia intervened to help Donald Trump win

    “He wishes the president-elect and his administration great success in their time in office,” his statement added.

    Mr Woolsey, the former director of national intelligence, was criticised last week for saying that Mr Trump might be “playing us” regarding his apparent knowledge about the alleged involvement of Russia in the presidential election.

    “There’s a possibility that he is [playing us] a little bit,” he said, following Mr Trump’s comments at his Mar-a-Lago resort that he would talk about the hack on Tuesday or Wednesday of this week.

    “I know a lot about hacking,” Mr Trump told reporters.

    “And hacking is a very hard thing to prove. So it could be somebody else.”

    Mr Trump tweeted earlier this week that the intelligence briefing on Russia that he was supposed to receive had been delayed until Friday, which he said was “very strange”.

    The public questioning was seen as another blow to intelligence agencies who he is expected to entrust to inform him of national security.

    Trump’s advisor suggests Obama’s sanctions against Russia are to ‘box in’ the incoming President
    Mr Woolsey also dismissed the importance of the CIA’s report that concluded Russia was behind the attack.

    “We may see as time goes on an improved technology for sorting things out in the hacking world, but it is probably not always a good idea to say in these days and times that we know it was Russia, it was only Russia,” he told CNN.

    “No, I’d be a little more cautious than that… I think the Russians were in there, but it doesn’t mean other people weren’t.”

    READ MORE
    CIA director reveals the biggest mistake Trump is likely to make
    The man Trump wants to head the CIA ‘approves of torture’
    Donald Trump appoints Congressman Mike Pompeo as CIA director

    Mr Trump said that the hacker could have been a teenager or “a guy sitting on their bed who weighs 400 pounds”. His aides have argued that sanctions against Russia, imposed by president Barack Obama, “boxed in” the president-elect, and that more focus should be on “punishing” Hillary Clinton instead.

    Mr Woolsey’s departure from the Trump transition team comes almost two months after the resignation of Mike Rogers, the former house intelligence committee chairman.

    Sources said Mr Rogers was purged for being an ally to New Jersey governor Chris Christie, who was not appointed to the transition team as he was involved in prosecuting the father of Mr Trump’s son in law, Jared Kushner”.

  7. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/OIKb307MpMK

    Party of the year…lol.


  8. David

    That has to be your every disposition.


  9. Fake news with this shooting in Ft Lauderdale, again

    In over 90% of these cases psychotic medications are involved

    Never are drug companies implicated.

  10. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/ANYh307MD1j

    When it isnt Trump’s wife plagarizing Michelle Obama, it’s some other airhead he is giving a high profile job to plagarizing someone.


  11. To all the sore losers

    -When the TRUMPET of the Lord shall sound and you shall be no more –


  12. Woolsey speaks with a forked tongue, he said that he quit the Transition Team because decisions were made in his field of expertise and he was not consulted but his name was on every chyron as the resident expert on Trump’s team about Security matters. He then said he also supported the findings of the Intel Agencies as it relates to Russian hacking.

    Then, and this is the kicker, he said he believed Trump was the better of the two candidates because of the things that he heard about Hillary during the campaign and he will continue to support him.

    However, an inquisitive person might wonder whether his previous position wouldn’t give him a window into Russian operations through back channels at the CIA (like Giuliani with the FBI) and he would have known about the fake stories going around but yet he believed what he “heard” on the campaign trail.

    Hillary like she was were right about “a vast right wing conspiracy”.


  13. “Hillary like she was were right about “a vast right wing conspiracy”.”

    Faked statement as usual by the liar of all liars. Her husband after holding the country to ransom for almost a year and costing the taxpayers millions of dollars in investigations grudgingly confessed to defiling the home of the highest office in the land. What a scamp he was and then having the call when Mr Obama was about to be embraced by the establishment of the Democratic party to remark that Mr Obama would once be carrying coffee for them.


  14. @Charles
    You mean to say he “defiled” the house that was built by slaves? It wasn’t defiled by Watergate? By Iran/ Contra? Savings & Loans? Valerie Plame? Weapons of Mass destruction? Iraq war? Hurricane Katrina?

    That was a small portion of the last 60 years, so don’t get me started.

    BTW how come you Republican types have such a dim view of sex by consenting adults? It was said that JFK ‘f..ked” a few women while Republicans “F…ked” the whole country.


  15. Here is a fake story fuh de anti conspiracy fellers.

    You can hide and buy land but you cannot hide and wuk it.

    When the USA pulled all of its carriers back to port to rearm them, with the nuke busters, as Putin pulled his from Syria, it would be of interest the movements of Russian troops and military machinery from the site ammmmmmm….wunna its to get dat info wunna selves causing de ole man can’t gin wunna dat jes so….heheheheh let google be your friend.

    1600 tanks to Germany and ammmmmmm other things dem.

    Even in winter you cannot cloak troop movements…

    I wonder if it shall begin with electric grid outages followed by big bangs

    I gine Bach heah and read a nex Ludlum and a Le Carre like good ole menses should do…and since it is Sunday tomorrow I gine add St Clement to that stipend of literature


  16. The intelligence report presented to Trump on Friday says absolutely nothing new.

    During the presidential campaign last year, mainstream media (e g. TIME Magazine, The Wall Street Journal, etc) reported that US intelligence agencies had discovered that Putin had ordered hacking of the Democrat Party HQ, and that Russia was publishing the private emails of Clinton’s aides to prevent her from winning the election. Then as now, the intelligence agencies said that Putin’s motive was to punish Hillary for interfering in the Russian election campaign of 2011-2012, when she attempted to prevent his return to the Russian presidency.

    The US electorate had all this information about Putin from July of last year. They still elected Trump.

  17. are-we-there-yet Avatar
    are-we-there-yet

    Chad45 re. your 9:30 pm post.

    The US electorate is inarguably times more unsophisticated than the Bajan one which should have understood what a Freundel Stuart win in 2013 would have brought us but yet went ahead and voted him and his bevy of opportunists into power. So electing Trump is essentially par for a course peopled with con men politicians and hapless voters who are largely unaware of the possible consequences of misusing their votes. Add racism and inertia and greed into the mix and your last sentence above is largely explainable.

    Even now, when the news in the US about Trump’s absolutely unbelievable reaction to the disclosures in the definitive Intel Report strongly suggests that he is non compos mentis, dat he hed bad, that there will surely be dire consequences to the world and the US when he takes up the US Presidency, there is little discernible chatter, even by the Democrats, of finding means to stop him from taking the presidency or even, when he becomes president, of taking the safer route of denying him instant access to the nuclear codes initially and then using the impeachment device to remove him before he creates total havoc and changes America and the World forever. The hope is that the lack of chatter might actually mean that a plan is afoot to stop him so that the next month or so is going to be of great importance re. news.

    I suspect, however, that the die is already cast and the Trump era clock cannot be rewound at this stage. But there might still be some little hope that Obama’s last ditch moves might have some measure of success.

    Meanwhile in Barbados, the Trump tsunami in America might be the least of our worries as it appears that reality may soon be forced on us as the IMF, and possible devaluation, are strongly rumoured to be beckoning. The calling of a snap election in the very near future would be a clear indication that the game is truly afoot and reality has trumped Freundel’s intransigence.

  18. are-we-there-yet Avatar
    are-we-there-yet

    DePedanticWord

    Just read your yesterday post on the clear Russian intrusion into the American 2016 Election. I think it was spot on.

    It should not, but it still does, amaze me that the reaction of the American Officials, especially the Democrats, and the people has been so muted. Perhaps something is going on in the background, but it seems inconceivable that there appears to be resignation by all to the ascension of Trump to the presidency and no sign of widespread recognition that Trump’s reaction to the Intel Report clearly suggests that he fully knew what was happening when it happened and that he is clearly a Putin asset by virtue of his continued support for Russia in the face of the revelations.

    The whole thing is so surreal that it suggests that we are existing in coexisting alternate universes.

    What’s your pragmatic take on the situation?

  19. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Are-We I wish I had a ‘pragmatic’ stake on this Trump situation. Chad4d said ominously “The US electorate had all this information about Putin from July of last year. They still elected Trump.”

    And you were as succinct as any that”… the die is already cast and the Trump era clock cannot be rewound at this stage.”

    There is nothing pragmatic about this Trump presidency as there was nothing pragmatic about his candidacy.

    — He started his campaign (in Chaddian form) with the most caustic, provocative rhetoric heard since the days of folks like Strom Thurmond and then George Wallace. He took the air-waves by sheer force of personality since that day and continues to this very moment making outlandish public statements. Yet he will be the 45th President of the USA.

    So, as you said “electing Trump is essentially par for a course peopled with con men politicians and hapless voters…”.

    How can we use practical assessments when many of the said voters are now saying ‘we want to fix Obamacare, not repeal it’…immediately after voting to get rid of it!

    How can one pragmatically discern that rigmarole or truly discern that voters “…are largely unaware of the possible consequences of misusing their votes.”

    I wish the man long life in office. Colin Powel said that his wife told him not to run for president because she was fearful for his life. Barack Hussein Obama appears to have debunked her fears (give kudos to the Secret Service too).

    But the pragmatist in me says that as tragic as any attempts on Obama’s life would have been that it would not have created the havoc and possible intractable racial unrest that any attempt on Trump would….

    Like you, I expect an impeachment process – related to major conflicts of interests issues- to be the downfall of this man…that is the only pragmatic course of action.

  20. are-we-there-yet Avatar
    are-we-there-yet

    dPD

    Yes! Totally agreed!


  21. @Dee Word

    There is a lot we do not know.

    Here is what we know, there has always been and will always be tension between Russia (legacy of the Soviet Union era) and the USA (West). It is the geopolitics of the world at play. What the hell do we know except to pontificate based on how we have been educated or culturally penetrated?

  22. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/maria-strizzolo-shai-masot-take-down-pro-palestine-mps-a7515861.html

    This is what happens when you create a monster. The UK was more than willing to create the Israel monster, steal Palestinian lands and murder millions of these people, destroying their homes their lives, since 1967….their mobster is now turning on them….karma is great.


  23. Well Well

    The British have been the most wicked people in the world.

    If they can create these Zionist demons, they themselves must be even greater devils.

    And they have been. They are no less wicked today

  24. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Fair enough David there is a lot we do not know. But do we not pontificate’ every four or five years or whatever is the election cycle and vote to elect politicians!

    it is too facile to assert that “there has always been and will always be tension between Russia (legacy of the Soviet Union era) and the USA (West). It is the geopolitics of the world at play.”.

    We socialize based on what historical facts are presented and essentially based on deeply held beliefs. And we know as much as we want to allow ourselves to know.

    What is so badly analyzed on this Russia affair is that Mr Barack Hussein Obama came into power singing from the same hymnal Trump is using. The one with the sweet sounding words of a better and positive working relationship with Russia.

    So what I know David is that if Vladimir Putin had instructed his UN ambassador to formally defend Obama for let’s say his Rev Wright issues or some other ‘human rights’ distaste and in conjunction with that and done other overt actions as we saw last year to support Trump and then on top of all that the US Intel agencies of the day had said that Russia were deliberately supporting Obama against Romney (who as you recall railed against Russia) then Obama would have lost or have been removed from this earthly realm.

    That’s just a basic truth that we all know! Why Trump has succeeded so fantastically given that basic truism I certainly don’t know!


  25. @Dee Word

    And what are the historical fact that have led you to deduce Russia meddled in the US election and affected the outcome? Facile indeed or as some will say -hold the koolaid!


  26. “Chad” wrote the following
    “During the presidential campaign last year, mainstream media (e g. TIME Magazine, The Wall Street Journal, etc) reported that US intelligence agencies had discovered that Putin had ordered hacking of the Democrat Party HQ”

    and concluded with this

    “The US electorate had all this information about Putin from July of last year. They still elected Trump.”
    ++++++
    Such a simplistic bit of analysis, Chad is assuming that the mainstream media has much of an impact outside of the large Eastern and Western cities. That same mainstream media has been reporting that Obama was born in the US but 50% of Republicans believe he was born elsewhere and is some kind of combination Muslim/African usurper. They receive much of their information through Conservative talk radio (Rush Limbaugh et al) that dominate daytime AM radio in the US.

    Here is an example of what happens in small town USA where Time Magazine and Wall Street journal may well be from Mars.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/26/us/oklahoma-newspaper-hillary-clinton-endorsement.html


  27. Remember what happened to British squadies at the King David hotel. Historical revisionism is as bad as fake news.

  28. are-we-there-yet Avatar
    are-we-there-yet

    David; re. your 11:19 am post.

    Yes, I think you are totally correct when you say “…. there has always been and will always be tension between Russia (legacy of the Soviet Union era) and the USA (West). It is the geopolitics of the world at play. What the hell do we know except to pontificate based on how we have been educated or culturally penetrated?”

    But Trump is special and I think probably guided and protected by invisible forces from the consequences of ignoring the past reality of the acceptable methods of playing the game of USA – Russia relations. It is almost as if Trump has been charged with implementing the most memorable aspects of George Orwell’s 1984 i.e. the system where the big powers have an unending fight against one another and in which the participants change regularly but the public is forced to think that the enemy remains the same for ever.

    I think the Trump presidency has the potential to usher in an Orwellian reality to 21st century geopolitics.


  29. David

    Your statement about the US v Russia is inaccurate.

    Had it not been for the Russian Navy there would not have been an American Revolution.

    Had it not for the 26 million Soviets who died during WW2 there would not be the defeat of Hitler, the rise of the US as super power, the victory of the West.

    And we could go on and on.

    History and relations between/amongst nations are too complex to be so susceptible to simple narratives.


  30. Had the Russians not sold Alaska to the Americans, the world would have be very different.


  31. @Pacha

    Does it matter what created the division? The tension has existed post WW2 and this is what we know.


  32. OK, as you wish

  33. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @David at 2:12 PM , I know that you can read well so I can only assume that you have speed read my previous remarks to offer the strange query “… what […] led you to deduce Russia meddled in the US election and affected the outcome? …hold the koolaid!”

    David, did you read Sargeant’s synopsis of the Intel report?… did you check the report that Ambassador Vitaly Churkin, Russia Permanent Representative ‘virulently’ complained to UN Sec General when his Human Rights commissioner criticized Trump.

    By itself that may not be a big deal but when taken with all the other stuff that has been in the public domain long before this public report you seriously accuse me of drinking Democratic ‘koolaid’! LOLL.

    As I said earlier…we know as much as we want to know, my friend. I’ll try to discern the amazing obfuscation by this bold Putin gambit. You can describe it as best fits your narrative.

    Oh, by the way I stopped imbibing koolaid some years now…too sweet for my old and cranky metabolism to properly handle.


  34. @Dee Word
    After all the prolixing and palaver we don’t know because as Sargeant correctly stated, the Intelligence people always issue the disclaimer that they have to keep their trade secrets secret.

  35. are-we-there-yet Avatar
    are-we-there-yet

    Keith Olbermann who used to be on MSNBC made this video. It encapsulates essentially what I think is the most important aspect of Trump’s psyche and behaviour.

    Check it out

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/keith-olbermann-trump-supporters_us_586f0eede4b02b5f858825ca

  36. are-we-there-yet Avatar
    are-we-there-yet

    <img src=”http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/keith-olbermann-trump-supporters_us_586f0eede4b02b5f858825ca” Keith Olbermann’s Trump diagnosis>


  37. Ex CIA officer Robert David Steele says hacking accusations against Russia is more bafflegab and bullshlt to demonize Russia and Putin in the eyes of Americans.

    The Russians Did Not “Hack” the US Election – a Few Facts from a Former CIA Spy
    By Robert David Steele

    – I am reminded of the 935 now-documented lies told by Dick Cheney to justify a $5 trillion war and multiple occupations from Afghanistan to Niger – or in more Nordic terms, the falsification by the Swedish military, in collaboration with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and CIA, of a Russian submarine that never existed, allegedly “invading” Swedish waters.

    As a CIA spy, I have faked intelligence, lied to government leaders, and managed a modest false flag operation (no one died). This is what CIA does. I accuse John Brennan, Director of the CIA, of being a liar who is in betrayal of the public trust with his lies. The most recent DHS-FBI report – and related reports from small companies seeking to curry favor with the Deep State – are absolute crap.

    SNIP

    The only intelligence services that persistently spy on US politicians across every device they own are the US intelligence services, specifically NSA, with CIA focusing on selected Senators and Representatives. NSA has explicitly spied on Barack Obama in detail since Obama was a junior Senator. The US media, very much under control, is both replaying the false narrative against the Russians, and strictly avoiding any independent commentary on the fact that it is US traitors, not the Russians, who are the threat to US peace and prosperity.

    It is highly likely that the neo-Nazi element in European leadership is conspiring with the neo-Nazi, neo-conservative element in US leadership, to start a war with Russia. The assassination of the Russian Ambassador in Turkey, the assassination of the NATO chief auditor about to expose a Euro 250 billion black budget used by NATO to bribe politicians and carry out false flag operations, and the various false flag operations in France (these with Mossad assistance) and Germany and elsewhere are all part of trying to start WWIII – war is a business model for the City of London and Wall Street, for the Vatican and the Rothschilds.

    Continued: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-russians-did-not-hack-the-us-election-a-few-facts-from-a-former-cia-spy/5567215

  38. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    No David that is incorrect re “After all the prolixing and palaver we don’t know because as Sargeant correctly stated, the Intelligence people always issue the disclaimer that they have to keep their trade secrets secret.” ——–

    Keeping sources and trade details secret cannot by itself invalidate the conclusions being made. That is a fallacy (smile)!

    As far as I know many people have been convicted on info from anonymous/secret police informers. Invariably you affirm the evidence with corroborating data so that the ‘secret data’ cannot be dismissed as inadmissible.

    You may recall that an entire presidency was laid to waste by Woodward and Bernstein’s anonymous source and other evidence.

    So if you want to deny the Intel because of ‘secret data’ despite ALL the other public data which adds texture and believably then so be it; you are flying in the face of reality.

    When Wikleaks offers troves of data from anonymous sources we accept it as valid….when they say they did not get the data from Russia or an acolyte we accept that.

    But you are suggesting that an entire US Intel network is offering data we cannot accept because of secret sources. So like the Donald you believe Assange is a choir boy of purity and the Intel folks are scheming liars who traffic in fake data.

    More power, to you my friend. But a tad hypocritical.

    Intelligence folks do lie and mis-direct but did they incite all those Russians to praise Trump, defend him etc. ??

    The Russians did not vote for Trump to make him win but their activities were suspiciously agreeable to him REGARDLESS of who hacked the DNC. What is so difficult to accept about that!

    Call it as it is. Not how you want it to be.


  39. “David January 8, 2017 at 3:53 PM #

    @Pacha

    Does it matter what created the division?”

    Is there really a division when the rulers are of the same ethnic background and persuasion or a matter of evenly distribution the spoils? Reflect on the Bosnian debacle.


  40. You are being disingenuous, the point is we have to take the intelligence people at their word and this leaves room for doubt.


  41. Allegations Against Russia Less Credible Every Day
    Posted on January 8, 2017 by DavidSwanson

    The U.S. government has now generated numerous news stories and released multiple “reports” aimed at persuading us that Vladimir Putin is to blame for Donald Trump becoming president. U.S. media has dutifully informed us that the case has been made. What has been made is the case for writing your own news coverage. The “reports” from the “intelligence community” are no lengthier than the New York Times and Washington Post articles about them. Why not just read the reports and cut out the middle-person?

    The New York Times calls the latest report “damning and surprisingly detailed” before later admitting in the same “news” article that the report “contained no information about how the agencies had collected their data or had come to their conclusions.” A quick glance at the report itself would have made clear to you that it did not pretend to present a shred of evidence that Russia hacked emails or served as a source for WikiLeaks. Yet Congresswoman Barbara Lee declared the evidence in this evidence-free report “overwhelming.” What should progressives believe, the best Congresswoman we’ve got or our own lying eyes?

    Supposedly the evidence has been made public and is overwhelming, but try to find it and you’ll come up dry. Ask why, and you’ll be told that of course the evidence cannot be made public as that would risk revealing how the U.S. government came upon the information. Yet the same government feeds the U.S. media with the story that it intercepted communications of top Russian officials just after the U.S. election celebrating Trump’s victory. Did that story not run that risk? The U.S. government feeds the U.S. media (specifically the “free” press of the Washington Post whose owner makes more money from the CIA than from the Washington Post) that Russia has hacked Vermont’s electrical supply, and — because this was a claim that could be checked by an independent party — the secret methods of the CIA quickly turned out to be these: they had simply made the thing up.

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/01/allegations-russia-less-credible-every-day.html


  42. A thief from a thief does mek God laugh..

    Please raise a hand ….anyone who does NOT think that the CIA and other USA /British/Israeli intelligence agencies have been interfering in Russian/ Chinese/ Venezuelan/ Iraqi ..even Bajan elections for YEARS now…

    Raise the other hand ..if you are surprised that Putin would seek to interfere in such a STUPIDLY open and vulnerable election as that of the USA …. and in Trumps’ favour…

    Raise one foot if anyone thinks that the US intelligence agencies can be trusted to tell ANY truth besides what suit their nefarious purposes….

    …now raise the last foot if you care…. 🙂

  43. William Skinner Avatar

    @ charles skeete,
    “Does it matter what created the division?”

    Is there really a division when the rulers are of the same ethnic background and persuasion or a matter of evenly distribution the spoils? Reflect on the Bosnian debacle.”
    Thanks for cutting through the fat and posing a very sensible question. Here we have two nations(USA and Russia) that have BOTH engaged in undermining regimes throughout the world, including Grenada, and we are splitting hairs. Quite frankly, we have now elected to be experts on fake news. All that has happened is that the growth of technology has exposed the shenanigans of both the USA and Russia.
    And now they are already corrupting the new technology to continue their destabilisation of all their perceived enemies.


  44. Many countries offer some sort of residency coupled with net worth and how much you have to invest in that country but very few offer Passports at the outset. The Russian oligarchs who live in some of the most exclusive areas of London had to fork over cash or make some serious investment in GB in order to live there. Canada had an equivalent policy but 99 5% of the applicants were from China and there was some abuse of the process and it was revamped to what is called “Startup Visa for Entrepreneurs”. I looked at the cost of attaining Citizenship by Investment in the countries mentioned in the segment and it ranges from a low of $100,000 USD in Dominica. That sum is peanuts as far as the moneyed sector of the world is concerned and the process seems to be fairly simple in all the territories, most of the people interested will hire a Gov’t connected lawyer to shuffle the paperwork and voila they have a passport.

    What Alicia doesn’t say is that Canadian Immigration officials have questioned and detained several individuals who were travelling on these Passports of convenience but who couldn’t find the country on a map and indeed their English-speaking skills were severely limited. She didn’t mention the downstream effect that this policy has had on the citizens of average means in these Islands where they now have to spend what little money they have in order to travel to another island with a Canadian High Commission to apply and obtain a Visa to enter Canada where formerly it was a matter of purchasing a ticket and jetting off. This policy is partially a result folks overstaying the time allotted when they visit and the lax policy of issuing passports to individuals of questionable backgrounds who are from other countries.

    I would hazard a guess that if passports were readily available in some European countries many of the applicants would prefer to have passports from those countries but look at the sun spots in the Caribbean as third and fourth choices.


  45. Sargeant,

    Passports for sale will attract people on the run from Europe and North America.

  46. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/eXmC307PHsU

    Oh..the Liar.

    Trump is only envious that the intelligence agencies can lie just as well as he can.


  47. Well Well

    You are imprecise

    Trump can only be termed a ‘liar’ if he knows the difference with truth.

    We are not sure that he does, or cares there ‘could’ be a difference.


  48. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENAV_UoIfgc
    Fake news

    I still wonder why the whole world continue to perpetrate the notion despite empirical evidence to the contrary that the phrase “weapons of mass destruction” was first used by President Bush to get oil for the benefit of Cheney and his cohorts.

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