Esther Byer, Minister of Labour
Esther Byer, Minister of Labour

According to a report in last Friday’s edition of the Barbados Advocate, The Honourable Minister Of Labour, Social Security and Human Resource Development, Dr Esther Byer, is of the opinion that the time has come for the reform of sickness benefits for employees in Barbados. According to the article, she is persuaded that if that entitlement is to remain a viable option for Barbadians, “greater measures must be implemented to protect it and to stamp out unsavoury practices of inappropriate claims”

The right to sickness benefit for employed persons is part of the ILO Decent Work agenda through the enhancement of the social protection floor that seeks to insulate workers from vulnerabilities and contingencies at work, whether these arise from unemployment, loss of livelihood, sickness or old age.

Barbados has chosen to employ a system of national social security only in this specific regard, unlike some of our regional neighbours who provide for sick pay as an employment right through statutory enactment. For example, section 131 of the Belize Labour Act provides-

“Where any worker who has been employed by the same employer for an aggregate period of not less than sixty days in the preceding twelve months falls ill while in the employment of the said employer, and the illness was not caused by his own default or misconduct, the employer shall grant to the said worker, at his request, sick leave with pay for a period of up to sixteen working days in any twelve months and the employer shall pay the worker in respect of any such period of sick leave at the rate corresponding to his total remuneration over the last sixteen days of his employment with him”.

Cognate legislation is to be found in the British Virgin Islands, The Bahamas, Antigua & Barbuda and St. Lucia.

Any removal of this benefit locally would therefore have a deleterious effect on all workers who may lose income through absence from work because of illness except, of course, those whose terms of employment expressly or impliedly provide for sick pay in that event and those who are covered by insurance policies that indemnify for lost wages. Further, it would place Barbados in a compliance deficit so far as the decent work agenda is concerned.

It appears as if the rationale for the current threat to the status quo is that Barbadians make claims for twice the number of sick days and also twice the sums for payment when compared to the rest of the region. While this actuality may be acknowledged as a clear and present danger to the sustainability of this benefit, it is further contended that it may be owed to the fact that some local doctors issue many more sickness certificates than the average; and that some patients treat the sick days as an entitlement that they frequently use as vacation days and not for genuine sickness.

These two not unconnected phenomena have for long been the seemingly intractable bane of this aspect of the current social security system and it is at least doubtful whether the situation may, or can be arrested anytime soon. First, as it has been put, the issuance of more certificates than an assumed average by some doctors does not necessarily raise a presumption of sharp practice and, even if this were to be established, it would require a contestation of the validity of the certificate; itself a matter of professional medical opinion.

Indeed, in no fewer than two local cases, employers have attempted to challenge the validity of sickness certificates on what would appear to be justifiable grounds, only to fail in both their claims for varying reasons.

In one case, the employee, a telephone operator, presented to her employers a medical certificate of incapacity to work in which the doctor stated that she was suffering from a respiratory tract infection,. When discovered working at a restaurant one evening during the period of sick leave and having admitted that she had worked five of the seven days for which she had been given certified sick leave, she was dismissed for dishonesty.

Her claim for wrongful dismissal was upheld by the magistrate in the lower court and she was awarded $14, 000. On appeal, it was held unanimously by the Court that the employee worked at the restaurant at times when she would already have left work at the employer; that there was nothing to show that the employee was fit to work at the employer’s establishment and that nothing precluded her from engaging in other employment that did not conflict with her duties to her employer. Clearly, establishing that the employee was fit for work would have involved a direct challenge to the certificate; a matter that would have necessitated expert evidence on the nature of the illness.

In the second matter, the employee also presented to the employer a Medical Certificate of Incapacity to work by reason of back pain and that she should be able to resume work in seven days. The employer alleged that during the period of sick leave, the employee stopped in at a hair salon in Bridgetown and braided a client’s hair. She was subsequently terminated on the f ground that she was “guilty of working in spite of being on sick leave”. The employee was held by the Magistrate to have been unjustifiably dismissed. On appeal, their Lordships, citing extensive authority, referred to the probative value of the medical certificate –

“In general, a doctor’s recommendation that an employee take time off work, which is promptly communicated to the employer, is a full defence to dismissal for absenteeism. The employee must, of course, refrain from making misrepresentations as to the medical recommendation and must supply at least basic information about his or her medical situation upon query by the employer…”

Nevertheless, they noted;

However, in some cases, even a doctor’s recommendation or certificate is less than conclusive proof of the bona fides of an employee’s temporary absence from work. (emphasis added)

And later referred to a decision cited by the employer that denied the inviolability of the medical certificate –

“In paragraph 4 the Tribunal seems to have taken the view that since Mr. Hutchinson had produced a sick note it was no concern of the employers to challenge whether or not he was in fact sick. They say ‘it was not reasonable of the employer to go behind that sick note’. To make clear what they mean they go on to say that the employers were not concerned with where he was or what he was doing. That, in our view, is a total misapprehension. The employer is concerned to see that his employees are working, when fit to do so; and if they are doing things away from their business which suggests that they are fit to work, then that is a matter that concerns them. We therefore feel again that the Industrial Tribunal has approached this part of the case also on the wrong basis and their decision cannot stand”.

Although it was not the basis for their final decision, their Lordships regarded the proposition in the cited case as irrelevant, since it was concerned with the unfairness of the dismissal for which there was no equivalent in Barbados at the time of the decision. That position has now been altered however and the case in question remains authority for the proposition that “an employer is entitled to look behind a doctor’s certificate or a self-certificate if he suspects that the employee is not actually ill, misuse of such a certificate being a disciplinary offence”.

Ultimately, the Court did not agree that the mere presence of the employee in the salon while on sick leave constituted an act of dishonesty justifying summary dismissal, leaving open for future decision, “based on appropriate facts, the circumstances in which an employer can go behind a Medical Certificate of Incapacity for Work and summarily dismiss an employee”.

These cases do not deny therefore that the issue remains one of medical evidence if the veracity of the certificate is to be challenged. Statutory provision may now have to be made in this regard if we are to avoid the extreme step of abandoning the scheme altogether. The St Lucia solution may be instructive-

Where there is an issue relating to —

(a) incapacity due to a job related illness or injury leave;

(b)  abusive sick leave;

(c) medical certificates issued for the purpose of sick leave, injury at work, illness connected with pregnancy, illness or injury determined to be sufficient for termination of employment in accordance with this Code; or

(c) any other medical matter;

the issue shall be determined by the Tribunal having regard to the recommendation of a medical committee established pursuant to section 428.

100 responses to “The Jefferson Cumberbatch Column – How Ill Are You Really?”


  1. It is obvious Minister Byer was not seized of the information Jeff detailed in his column. A better approach by the minister would have been to meet with the BAMP behind closed doors and discuss solutions. In the litigious society we find ourselves dealing with soft issues as a bull would in a Chinashop was not wise. As a medical doctor she should know better.


  2. Dr Byer-Suckoo’s call for reform came on the heels of a private meeting involving the Director of the National Insurance Scheme (NIS) Ian Carrington, and President of the Barbados Association of Medical Practitioners (BAMP) Dr Abdon DaSilva.


  3. Note BU stated coming up with solutions. Byer coming public about this matter has been done by practically all her predecessors with zero change effected.


  4. There is the opportunity to map what data is available to inform public discussion. For example we are hearing that Barbados has the incidence of Lupus in the world. We add NCDs and we see what I possible. We need to inform the discussion with relevant data.


  5. Her coming up with said information is part of good govern translating to transparency. Her solutions in part are stated by the facts given where she states initiatives as to the numerous sick leaves would be acessed accordingly

  6. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    It always seems to me that Byer says the same things regarding the same legislations that are supposed to be implemented every couple months…there never seems to be anything new, encouraging or exciting.

    Am sure the other party said the same things about the same legislations for over a decade without actually implementing anything, just like the current nuisances in parliament.


  7. When people in charge keep coming to the public with problems as if it is somebody else’s job to fix them it makes them look bad.
    Shiite!!
    It is even worse than coming with stupid, ill-conceived ‘solutions’ that cannot withstand even basic scrutiny.

    This woman is so shallow that it is embarrassing…..
    …and to think she is a doctor….

    Shiite though!!!
    …anybody watched Froon on CBC last night giving the DLP conference address…?

    Our ass is grass…!!!


  8. you are correct BUSH TEA, the public cant do one thing about this matter except talk shit because the public does not know about it —except for the times they bought sick leave certificates

    none of you have ever had the opportunity to try to persuade a patient that they did not need sick leave

    most 0f you in the shoes of any busy GP would give the sick note and forego the argument

    most of you come here every day in complaining mode and with knowledge of everything about everything—it is hilarious, but none of you are or have been doctors

    most of you seem to have and to be proctalgia fugax

    most of you do not know how many folk in barbados go to work sick because they fear losing their job

    next we see mr porcine facies with his usual porcine faeces
    Hal Austin August 29, 2016 at 5:36 AM #
    Doctors issuing bogus medical certificates commit two offences: HOW DOES THIS IDIOT DECIDE THAT A CERTIFICATE IS BOGUS? DOES HE LOOK IN A MIRROR?

    one criminal and one professional. The criminal offence is obtaining by false pretences, issuing a medical certificate with the intention of misleading the authorities; HOW WILL YOU PROVE THAT? THE CERTIFICATE IS AN OPINION OF THE DR AS STATED BY THE CERTIFICATE. DO YOU HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE TO REFUTE THE MAN’S POSITION, OBSERVATION CONCLUSION

    and, the professional one, is bringing the profession in to disrepute.
    We must also do something aabout those doctors who issue false medical certificates WHAT IS A FALSE MEDICAL CERTIFICATE FOOL? THIS IS AN OXYMORON

    allowing people to go on a so-calld sick-out. Any such doctor should be prevented from practising until there has been a disciplinary hearing. WHAT AN EMOTIONAL PIECE OF FAECES! LETS SEE YOU AND YOUR ILK DO IT MORON

    I GAVE UP PRACTICING TO TEACH BASIC SCIENCES BUT IF I HAD TO BE A SICK LEAVE DR NO MEDICAL ILLITERATE COULD CONFOUND ME

    ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS WRITE PROPER NOTES
    E.G 1 HAL AUSTIN PRESENTED WITH HIS PORCINE FACIES
    2 HE WAS SPEWING PORCINE FAECES
    DIFFERENTIAL DIAGNOSIS
    1 HE IS A PIG
    2 HE HAS PORCINE ENCEPHALITIS
    INVESTIGATIONS SENT OF SERUM TO CAREC
    TO BE SEEN IN THREE WEEKS FOR REPEAT SAMPLE TO SEE IF THERE IS A RISE IN TITRE

    PLAN SICK LEAVE TO PREVENT THE POPULACE UNTIL A DEFINITIVE DIAGNOSIS CAN BE MADE


  9. Caswell Franklyn August 28, 2016 at 4:20 PM #

    AT ANY POINT IN TIME MOST PEOPLE SEEN BY DRS ARE ANXIOUS OR DEPRESSED
    NEARLY ALL ILLNESS IS ACCOMPANIED BY THESE TWO SYMPTOMS/MALADIES

    I CAN SEE THAT MOST FOLK IN BARBADOS TODAY AND SINCE 20008 HAVE SERIOUS ANXIETY/DEPRESSION WHICH DRIVE THEM TO THE DRS IN DROVES WITH A HOST OF UNEXPLAINABLE SYMPTOMATOLYGY

    BUT THE UNTRAINED AND UNLEARNED AND INEXPERIENCED BU OPINERS BRAY
    MOST HILARIOUS

    @ Donna August 28, 2016 at 11:12 PM #
    I don’t hate work. I cannot imagine a life without it, I have refused sick leave and had my doctor insist that I needed it to recover from bronchitis. I have returned to work before my sick leave was up after a vehicular accident. But I have also had sick leave due to stress on one occasion when I just couldn’t face that environment. And I too have had the stomach cramps at the mere thought of going into what was essentially a war zone. I know others who have experienced it. There will always be some who work the system but in tense work environments a rest can save one from a mental breakdown. Which would be more costly?

    We have a tendency to discount the mental aspect of illness. Silly, really when we have already acknowledged that stress is a killer.

    YOUR POST IS VERY ACCURATE
    WHAT YOU HAVE DESCRIBED ABOVE IN EVERY POINT IS WHAT I OBSERVED BETWEEN 1979 AND 2001 WHEN I PRACTICED IN BIM
    PATIENTS REFUSING SICK LEAVE
    PATIENTS RETURNING BEFORE THE TIME GIVEN
    MANY PATIENTS UNDER STRESS AND I CAN IMAGINE THE SITUATION WITH THE DLP INDUCED STRESS OVER THE PASS YEARS 2008-2016

    BUT NOW NERVOUS BREAKDOWNS ARE NOT THE RESULT OF THE STRESS IT IS SUDDEN DEATHS

  10. millertheannunaki Avatar
    millertheannunaki

    @ ac August 29, 2016 at 5:07 AM #
    “statistics should be taken seriously and not rubbished for a pure political stance
    During the discussions, Carrington shared startling statistics, albeit from 2009, that showed 533 doctors had issued 49,555 certificates totaling 561, 000 benefit days over a 10-month period. He said the claims cost the NIS $30 million, well in excess of the $28.6 million budgeted for that entire year.
    And if that was not enough, Carrington pointed out that the NIS in Barbados got claims for twice the number of sick days and also made twice the payout when compared to the rest of the region.”

    Isn’t it paradoxical amazing that the same man you are referring to can so convincingly compile statistics about the cost of sick leave- to which the claimants had already contributed in advance- but is still professionally incapable to produce reliable financials for the same fund(s)?

    Why should we rely on those statistics compiled to find a scapegoat for the financially sick NIS which the present administration has been using as its ‘private’ piggybank to shore up its cash-flow challenges?

    Since you yourself are so surprisingly competent in another area of lies called statistics (based on your calculations which show that the current level of the national debt of over $12 billion is a direct result of the current administration having to borrow $7 billion to repay the $5 billion the previous BLP administration incurred and refused to bring to book) we are surprised you have not concluded that these excessive sick claims are as a direct result of the doctors support of the BLP in its attempt to undermine and bring down your dear loving party’s administration.

    You might be on more statistically solid ground if you could establish a correlation between the increase in the number of sick claims and the shocking increase in the cost of living with the concomitant decrease in the standard of public hygiene and public health as a result of the massive piles of stinking garbage ‘beautifying’ Bim as seen through the inured eyes of the low class incompetent jackasses currently managing the former gem of the Caribbean.
    Let your administration continue to play Russian roulette with public sanitation and you will soon see not only a total collapse of the NIS but also your one beautiful country becoming a cordon sanitaire to the potential visitors to your imaginary Hyatt Babel tower but a pariah to state to the rest of the world.


  11. @Bushie

    Byer can’t be that shallow, she is a doctor for crissakes.

    >


  12. Statistical facts should be relevant to the issue. Furthemore no where in Byer Suckoo statement did she ask for public solutions


  13. There are doctors and there are doctors.


  14. The people of St George South found her shallow and voted accordingly


  15. millertheannunaki August 29, 2016 at 9:24 AM #

    YOU ARE 100 % CORRECT MAN
    MEN LIKE CARRINGTON HAVE PLAYED THEY INVESTIGATION THIS SICK LEAVE MATTER FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS NOW ALMOST………ALL TO NO AVAIL
    THE MAN WAS UPSET TO LEARN THAT THE GUVMENT PROVIDES DR FOR POLICE FIREMEN AND PRISON OFFICERS………….WITHOUT KNOWING THAT PREVENTING THEM FROM GETTING SICK LEAVE ELSEWHERE WAS THE INTENT OF THAT PLOY

    chad99999 August 28, 2016 at 10:35 PM #
    NO MORON You are the dummy AND“medically illiterate”, . I IMPRESSED MANY IN THE LOCAL COURTS IN THE 80;S AND 90’S
    RE Every Tom Dick and Harry is a medical doctor these days, even the bottom of the barrel students who couldn’t pass A Levels have somehow persuaded UWI, and various Caribbean diploma mills to grant them medical degrees.
    I KNOW SOME GOOD DRS WHO WENT TO PREMED AND BECAME DRS AND THEN WENT ON TO BE SURGEONS . OBSTETRICIAN AND GYNAECOLOGISTS AND MEDICAL CONSULTANTS
    DO YOU KNOW THAT HAVING” persuaded and various Caribbean diploma mills to grant them medical degrees, THAT SUCH DEGREES ARE USELESS ANYWHERE UNLESS THE RECIPIENTS PASS THE USMLE STEPS 1 2 AND 3.

    RE Courts will certainly evaluate the process that leads to the issuance of a doctor’s letter authorizing sick leave. THIS IS BULLSHIT. WHY ARE THEY NOT DOING IT ALL LIKE NOW, IDIOT
    WHY DON’T YOU COME AND MOUNT A “STING”


  16. For instance, never mind GP’s manner here or rather because of it, I am willing to bet that we have lost a passionate and ethical doctor who unlike those of whom Pacha speaks would have made a positive difference to healthcare. But often these are not the persons who rise to positions of “power” in Barbados because the rest of them want to continue with the nonsense they think benefits them.

    Persons who conceive workable solutions and are eager to implement them become frustrated with ignorance and the mess it creates. And hence the attitude.


  17. by the way not everyone who got sick leave sought compensation from NIS
    MOST JUST WANTED TO GET AWAY FROM A PLACE WHERE THEY WERE ANXIOUS DEPRESSED AND FELT TORMENTED


  18. As for what entitles Chad to his attitude, I am yet to determine that.


  19. The facts bear out and verify that there are an unprecedented percentage of those employed who are recurring or overusers of sick leave. Facts one cannot argue away. Opinions are like a..ss holes evetybody has one


  20. GP,

    You probably left this place to preserve your own sanity because you have just hit the nail hard and full on its head. My doctor took one look at me and took out the sick leave certificate. If you listen to most Barbadians you will hear their stories. A Jamaican professor gave a lecture to employers in the public and private sectors a few years ago and presented the results of his studies among employees in that island. He found that when workers pushed for pay increases it was often as compensation for being poorly treated and disrespected in the workplace. It really wasn’t about the money in many instances but respect. His findings were an indictment of employer practices in Jamaica and he thought that there was no reason to believe that it was any different in Barbados.

    I know a few people who are comfortable in their work environment. They work when the boss calls them from their vacation early and seldom take sick leave even when physically sick.

    The cause of excessive sick leave is not always the employee. Sometimes it is the employer. Performance management systems are mostly lacking in Barbados and until we correct that we are doomed to our nightmare on the not so merry-go-round.


  21. “Many employers steer employees to their own massage therapists and/or doctors, who will keep the employer’s interests in mind.”

    On one hand, (A), we are implying that employees pay doctors to grant them certified sick leave for which they may not be entitled, which more or less questions the integrity of those doctors, especially since they sought to “keep the EMPLOYEE’S interests in mind,”

    And on the other hand, (B), we are suggesting employers refer their employees to a team of doctors on the employers’ payroll, “who will keep the employer’s interests in mind.” However, in this case, the doctors are DEEMED to be men of INTEGRITY, for offering similar services, as outlined above, to employers.

    But, for all intents and purposes, A is partially identical to B. “In the first the fallacy is the indifferent contingency of the conclusion caused by the non-sequitur from a negative premise to an affirmative conclusion.”


  22. And some people have two! A..ss holes, that is.


  23. Artax,

    I fear that is too high for some to understand. But correct you are. It seems everything must be seen from the perspective of the employer. Reminds me of the perspective of the USA where American lives are spoken off as though somehow more worthy of preservation than all other lives. The white ones, that is.


  24. Georgie Porgie is a total ignoramus who obviously believes his professional conduct as a physician cannot be questioned by courts.He is dead wrong.
    Like any other profession, doctors are licensed to serve society, not the other way around. Ultimately, society decides which doctors are doing a good job and which ones are not. The fact is that in Barbados, the authorities have delegated much of their authority to various professional bodies, so doctors are policing themselves, but that does not change the fact that society, through its “medically illiterate” legislature and it’s “medically illiterate” courts, can evaluate and discipline any doctor we decide is not behaving appropriately.
    David’s suggestion that the Minister should quietly negotiate better behaviour behind closed doors is unlikely to work, because bad doctors are usually as arrogant and conceited as Georgie Porgie, and are not easily brought to heel.

  25. millertheannunaki Avatar
    millertheannunaki

    @ ac August 29, 2016 at 10:39 AM
    “The facts bear out and verify that there are an unprecedented percentage of those employed who are recurring or overusers of sick leave. Facts one cannot argue away. Opinions are like a..ss holes evetybody has one”

    We can guess you are NOT like everybody with one “a..ss hole”. You as a consortium have as many ‘holes’ as a sieve used to grater cassava.

    The facts also bear out that there has been a massive pile up of garbage all over Barbados and that the fly, rat and mosquito populations have risen accordingly. Don’t your ‘facts’ also confirm that these same vectors of viruses and other pathogens are the major sources of threats to public health?

    The facts also confirm that there has been a ‘significant’ increase in the cost of living for the average Bajan over the last 8 years despite your deceitfully dangerous lying party manifesto commitment to reduce the same cost of living. Oil prices and the cost of electricity have dropped significantly over the past 2 years. Where are these downward adjustments reflected in the prices to consumers who would soon be kicked further in their teeth with a stealth tax called the Social Responsibility levy?
    Have you considered that in addition to the rolling or cumulative increases in the cost of goods and services that will be brought about by this so-called social responsibility level there will also a relatively significant increase in the VAT levied on the final prices charged to consumers (not in % terms but certainly in money terms)?
    Now tell us, ac, do your ‘manufactured’ facts as listed below justify the description of your party as a dangerous demonic lying propagandistic pied piper to stupid ‘ordinary’ Bajans eminently represented by the ac consortium?

    (1) LOWERING THE COST OF LIVING
    The Barbados Labour Party administration is ultimately
    responsible for the fact that ordinary
    Barbadians cannot enjoy a comfortable living in
    this country. It is the job of the government and
    the role of the state to intervene in the market to
    correct failings of the system and re-balance inequities therein.
    We have seen a gradual contraction and consolidation
    of the import, wholesale and retail distribution
    sectors in this country. The BLP administration
    sat idly by as small and medium size businesses,
    (including black businesses), were forced
    out of the sector by bigger players.

    A new DLP administration will use the power and
    patronage of the government not to disadvantage
    existing participants in the distribution sector, but
    to allow for new and efficient players to come
    into the sector and through increased competition
    contribute to the creation of a fair market structure.
    We commit to internal liberalization of this
    sector to spread the options available to Barbadians.
    A new DLP administration will commit to providing
    incentives to new and existing small and
    medium size players to come into the sector. We
    will honour a previous commitment to ensure that
    at least 40% of all government’s procurement requests
    for goods and services are reserved for
    sourcing from small and medium size enterprises.

    A new DLP administration will review the basket
    of goods on which VAT and other impositions
    have been removed. It is obvious that that basket
    is too limited and in light of the high incidence
    of chronic non-communicable diseases and
    the need for healthier eating among the population
    something must be done to ease the cost of
    foods that fall into these categories.
    We commit to expanding that basket significantly, following
    full consultation with sector stakeholders, consumer
    bodies, and nutritional experts. Equally we
    believe that the time has come for a more comprehensive
    review of the impact of price movements
    in basic food and other items in this country.

    Energy costs have risen more often than they have
    fallen in the last 2 years and this has driven up
    the cost of production. A new DLP
    administration will examine the feasibility
    of removing the VAT on utility
    bills for households and businesses alike.


  26. Will the minister also be paying attention to the number of days that members of government AND members of the opposition do not attend sittings of the house and also, how many ministers are away from the office during the day and are not in pursuit of official duties? Oh I forgot, that doesn’t matter.


  27. Most if not all understand the causes of work related sickness however the problems related to sick leave are endemic giving cause for worry and concern as those problems becomes burdensome to govt and eventually passed on to taxpayers.eventually those who should or might have to benefit from the plan might find that there are no benefits from which they are somewhat entitled.
    That is the problem.No one is faulting those who get sick for acessing their benefits but a system that has run a mock with unscrupulous characters and a probability of unable to be of service to anyone
    But then again yardfowls like to eat nuff nuff scratch grain to satisfy their bellies and their craw


  28. ac August 29, 2016 at 12:41 PM #

    “But then again yardfowls like to eat nuff nuff scratch grain to satisfy their bellies and their craw…”

    And this is demonstrated by you, as usual, going all out to defend the DLP. In this case you are defending Esther.

  29. millertheannunaki Avatar
    millertheannunaki

    @ ac August 29, 2016 at 12:41 PM
    “No one is faulting those who get sick for acessing their benefits but a system that has run a mock with unscrupulous characters and a probability of unable to be of service to anyone
    But then again yardfowls like to eat nuff nuff scratch grain to satisfy their bellies and their craw”

    No worker can claim sickness benefit from the NIS unless the period of sickness is certified by a “competent” and registered medical practitioner.
    Why blame the workers? Or are you implying there is some kind of unholy alliance scheme between the workers and the doctors to defraud’ the NIS?
    Is there also some kind of unholy alliance between the same doctors and the SSA under the astute leadership of Dr. Lowedown to create conditions to make Bajans sick in order to increase their revenue streams and help bankrupt the NIS sickness benefit fund?

    Why can’t you see it from another of your yard-fowl cock-eyed angle and realize the Minister is just preparing the wicket to justify a rise in the National Insurance contribution rates as demanded by the IMF the same way the Social responsibility levy was imposed as a done deal of a dose of IMF stringent measures?


  30. @Miller

    Who sends the message to employees / workers they need to share in maintaining the integrity of the social security system?

  31. millertheannunaki Avatar
    millertheannunaki

    @ David August 29, 2016 at 2:40 PM
    “Who sends the message to employees / workers they need to share in maintaining the integrity of the social security system?”

    The same leaders that are sending mixed messages to the youth about getting babies to ensure the long-term integrity of the NIS especially the contribution-based pension scheme.

    Why tell young people to use condoms (promoting the use of contraceptives) while asking the same unemployed youths to have babies they can’t feed or socialize properly? Any message about having babies without the necessary incentives should be targeted at those well-educated career women and men not those who depend on child support payments (cock tax via the courts) from deadbeat sperm donors. Barbados does not need any more children to be born into poverty but more incentives for the working people to provide for their old age and medical care.
    The Muslims of East Indian heritage are doing jolly good job of keeping Bim in a steady-state population growth mode.

    The political managers of the NIS need to increase both the rates and the level of insurable earnings to say $10,000 per month if the nightmare scenario awaiting the baby boomers which Walter Blackman has so vividly painted is to be avoided or at least mitigated.


  32. THERE SEEMS TO BE 4 ENTITIES INVOLVED HERE BUT AS USUAL THE BU MORONS CAN NOT EVER MAKE A BALANCED ARGUMENT

    1THE DR CAN ONLY BENEFIT FROM ISSUING SICK LEAVE FORMS IF THAT IS A MAJOR SERVICE OF HIS BUISINESS OR AS ONE OF HIS BOOK KEEPING TECHNIQUES. WONT ELABORATE ON THAT, AS THAT IS NOT TAUGHT IN MED SCHOOL LOL

    2 IT IS THE PATIENT WHO PAYS THE MOST NIS WHO BENEFITS MOST FROM A SICK LEAVE NOTE I AM TOLD . I AM TOLD THAT MANY IN THE TOP ECHELONS INCLUDING THE POLITICIANS SEEK TO GET BACK MONEY THEY PAID IN TO NIS THIS WAY. GO FIGURE.

    MOST OF THE LOWLY PAID PERSONS WHO SEEK SICK LEAVE DO SO IF THEY HAVE A SERIOUS INJURY AND ARE ADVISED BY LAWYERS TO GET A PERIOD OF SICK LEAVE. SUCH FOLKARE OFTEN ALSO BEING HARRASED IN SEVERAL WAYS ON THE JOB INCLUDING SEXUALLY

    3 THE EMPLOYERS CMAY TEMPORARILY HAVE TO DO WITH THE SLAVES THEY ARE MISTREATING, UNDER PAYING AND OTHER ISSUES

    4 NOW NIS HAS A PROBLEM BECAUSE A- SO MANY FOLK LAID OFF THEIR RECEIPTS ARE LOW, B LOTS OG RICH EMPLOYERS NOT PAYING IN NIS. C NIS THIEF THE MONEY OR OTHERWISE MIS-APPROPRIATED THE USE FOR WHICH THE MONEY WAS INTENDED

    THE SCAPE GOAT IS NOW THE DRS WRITING BOGUS SICK LEAVE CERTIFICATES

    WHAT I FIND HILARIOUS IS HOW ANY OF WUNNAH CAN DECIDE A SICK NOTE IS BOGUS UNLESS WUNNUH SEE OR LISTEN TO THE PATIENT

    NONE OF WUNNAH IS DOC MARTIN ….WHO IS A DIAGNOSTICIAN OF THE HIGHEST ORDER

    MILLER millertheannunaki August 29, 2016 at 1:32 PM # YOU HAVE ASKED SOME SERIOUS QUESTIONS WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION

    WHAT I FIND FUNNY IS THAT CARRINGTON HAS BEEN LOOKING FOR DRS TO LOCK FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS NOW FOR “BOGUS” SICK NOTES WITH NO SUCCESS. I WONDER
    WHY?

    Artax August 29, 2016 at 1:31 PM #T
    THE PROBLEM IS
    1 THE DEMS MISSUSED THE NIS CONTRIBUTIONS
    2 THE DEMS LAY OFF LOTS OF PEOPLE OR CAUSED NUFF FOLK TO BE LAYED OFF BECAUSE OF THEIR POOR RUNNING OF THE COUNTRY
    3 THIS HAS CLEARLY LED TO A DEFICIT IN FUNDS TO PAY CLAIMS CAUSE NO PAYMENTS ARE BEING MADE BY THE LEGIONS OF FOLK WHO ARE NO LONGER EMPLOYED

    I WILL BET YOU ALL I HAVE THAT THE DEMS GETTING/GOT THEIR CLAIMS PAID FIRST

    NOW NOTE THAT IN ALL I HAVE SAID ……….I HAVE NOT SAID THAT SICK NOTES ARE WRITTEN BY SOME SYMPATHETIC DOCTORS LOL MURDAH


  33. Donna
    THANKS FOR YOUR KIND REMARKSRE
    RE August 29, 2016 at 10:47 AM # Artax,

    I fear that is too high for some to understand. But correct you are. It seems everything must be seen from the perspective of the employer.

    YOU ARE VERY CORRECT HERE. THAT IS WHY FROM EARLY I USED TO CUSS THEM WHEN THEY CALLED TO QUERRY ANY OF MY SICK NOTES
    WAIT SKIPPER I WOULD SAY
    I NEVER SAW YOU IN ANY OF MY ORAL OR CLINICAL EXAMS AND BRUGGADOWN PHONE DOWN IN THEIR EARS
    AS FOR THOSE WHO RECEIVED SICK NOTES DOING ANYTHING THAT THEY OUGHT NOT TO BE DOING, WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE DR?
    DIAGNOSES ARE MADE 98% OF THE TIME ON THE HISTORY

    RE chad99999 August 29, 2016 at 12:07 PM #

    Georgie Porgie is a total ignoramus WHO DESIGNED OUR NHS WHICH HAS BEEN COPIED AND EXTENDED USING MY IDEAS PUBLISHED RIGHT HERE ON BU IN 2008

    Georgie PorgieKNOWS THAT THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT HIS professional conduct as a physician THAT can be questioned by courts CAUSE HE AINT DO NUTTIN TO BE QUESTIONED .He is dead wrong.

    RE Like any other profession, doctors are licensed to serve society,” THIS INCLUDES OCCASIONALLY WRITING SICK NOTES. WHEN THERE ARE EPIDEMICS OF VIRAL ILLNESS OR WHEN THERE ARE EPIDEMICS OF GREAT ANXIETY OR AND DEPRESSION AS CAUSED BY THE DLP GUVMENT SINCE 20008 THE NUMBERS OF SICK NOTES WILL INCREASE

    The fact is that in Barbados, the authorities have delegated much of their authority to various professional RE bodies, so doctors are policing themselves, PLEASE KINDLY GIVE US A CURRENT LIST OF THESE DRS WHO ARE POLICING THE DRS SUH

    RE but that does not change the fact that society, through its “medically illiterate” legislature and it’s “medically illiterate” courts, can evaluate and discipline any doctor we decide is not behaving appropriately.” MAN YOU MUST SPEND MOST OF YOUR WAGES IN TOILET PAPER TO WIPE YOUR MOUTH AND COMPUTER SCREEN
    YOU MAKE AC LOOK LIKE A BDOS EXHIBITION WINNER

    RE David’s suggestion that the Minister should quietly negotiate better behaviour behind closed doors is unlikely to work, because bad doctors are usually as arrogant and conceited as Georgie Porgie, and are not easily brought to heel. WHY DON’T YOU GET THE TOP DLP FOLK WHO USE BOGUS SICK LEAVE NOTES TO MEK A MONEY WHEN THEY COULD NOT GET WUK UNDER THE BLP REGIME

    YOU WANT ME CALL NAMES NOW?


  34. We definitely need to teach Georgie Porgie a lesson.


  35. The Jamaican professor also highlighted sexual harassment as a major source of discontent among workers. So again GP is spot on. The lecture was featured on CBC’s Say it again.


  36. Sexual harassment is a major cause of discontent among female workers, not male workers.
    Like a dog with a bone, so to speak, today’s feminist does not overlook any opportunities to score points against men and take advantage of issues raised in the metropolitan countries by cynical, power-hungry white women looking to make money by filing civil lawsuits against wealthy corporations. What a scam!


  37. Donna August 29, 2016 at 5:48 PM #
    sexual harassment Is a major source of discontent among FEMALE workers ESPECIALLY IN ECONOMIC CLIMATES SUCH AS WE HAVE HAD IN BIM SINCE 2008.

  38. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @ chad99999

    Sexism is the moral equivalent of racism.


  39. When are we going to follow some of the other countries and offer maternity leave to fathers?Perhaps , this question would be best answered by Ministers Jones and Durant.


  40. Peter Lawrence Thompson,

    Your statement is utterly misguided. Women have never been oppressed, and when compared to what has been done in the past to men, they have always received better treatment. When work and travel were difficult and dangerous, they were spared most of the horrors of work and travel. Today, they work mostly in air conditioned offices assisted by computers, while men have to do what’s left of the heavy lifting — mining, forestry, fishing, military combat, even urban garbage collection. These pampered creatures spend our money as well as their own, and never stop complaining and demanding more for themselves than they leave for men to enjoy. What a scam!.


  41. You need to seek a psychiatrist’s help before you degenerate into a serial killer! You have a warped perspective that is very dangerous. I ask again- what kind of mother did you have? Mine worked really hard and contributed equally to the household. She was the Miss Fix it whilst my father was all thumbs.She NEVER cheated on her husband though he didn’t return that faithfulness. She was rather bossy but that was because she was a perfectionist. She was very difficult to live with because of it but she meant well. She had her issues but she was never a taker and did her share of the dirty work.

    There are good men and bad men. There are good women and bad women.

    By the way, remind me of the times I was pampered. I seem to have slept through it.


  42. Not all male bosses sexually harass their female employees. Not one of them was stupid enough to try that with me or any of my friends. But to suggest that this NEVER happens is to deny the blatant preoccupation with sex and power that pervades this society.

    Some women will gladly use their “assets” to get a job. Some men will use positions of power to coerce a woman who desperately needs a job or needs to keep her job into granting them sexual favours. Anyone who denies EITHER of these statements cannot see straight and can NEVER give a balanced opinion.

  43. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @ chad99999 at 5:18 PM re “We definitely need to teach Georgie Porgie a lesson” . With statements like this one you display the prevailing personality seen daily here on BU (made wildly famous by D.J.Trump) which is described by the many ‘medical illiterates’ as psychopathic; simply meaning: distinctly antisocial behavior.

    What lesson can YOU teach the doc or anyone else when you produce some of the most damning rhetoric on this site, like ” Women have never been oppressed, and when compared to what has been done in the past to men, they have always received better treatment..”

    How selective and ridiculous can you actually be and maintain a straight face of rationality???

    Women were sexual harassed and professionally dominated in the workplace for ages. They were also out there cutting canes, cleaning the road-ways, hawking their garden provisions and other food-stuff in their cook shops and so on. And quite a few of them would be mothers who then had to go back home and deal with their children and TOO prepare a meal and accommodations for their men.

    I may be divorced and may be terribly p’eed off @ my wife and females in general (or not) but regardless I forever appreciate the love, devotion and hard work of my mum and grandmother. So I must temper any anger of the life today with the reality that my memories of yesterday provide.

    Thus it is really incredible to read your continuous unbalanced, factually inaccurate female bashing stuff. As the lady Donna noted, there are good and bad actors across the genders.

    One can only presume that you are either a direct descendant of the famed Romulus and Remus duo or that like them you had a truly rough childhood…you need some warm thoughts of a granny to infuse your rantings. LOLL.


  44. DONNA
    ONE OF MY FAILURES IN LIFE IS THE OMMISSION TO WRITE DOWN THE MANY STORIES I HAVE HEARD FROM WOMEN WHILE PRACTICING WITH RESPECT TO THE TREATMENT BY THEIR MEN/HUSBANDS

    THESE INCLUDE THE VERY PLEASING ONES OF ELDERLY WOMEN WHO OVERCAME BY PRAYER PATIENCE AND PERSEVERENCE AND THOSE LIKE THE YOUNG WOMEN WHO WAS BEATEN TWO SUCCESSIVE SEPTEMBERS FOR APPROACHING HER CHILD FATHER FOR MONEY TO BUY EXERCISE BOOKS

  45. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @ chad99999

    You sound very much like Jefferson Davis or a whole host of other historical apologists for slavery… all you have to do is replace the “women” in your rants with “negroes.”


  46. GP,

    If the stories are still in your head you can still write them down. You could even collaborate with a good Bajan author to make it a work of informed fiction. It could tell the story of Bajan women. How about that?

    Dribbler,

    I know that angry feeling that comes from being mistreated. Thankfully with the Father’s help I am well on the way to a full recovery. I can now see my mistakes and character flaws and immaturity as well as theirs. Relationships are a complex thing and we all have our issues that need some work. We all bring baggage into the relationship.


  47. dONNA
    THE STORIES ARE NOT FICTION AT ALL
    BUT I THINK THEY MIGHT INSPIRE WOMEN GOING THROUGH ROUGH TIMES WITH THEIR MEN


  48. GP, I know they aren’t fiction but I just thought they’d get more readership if presented as a work of fiction based on true stories.

  49. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    With his reference to Byer like she is some sex toy, Chad clearly sees ALL females as only good for one thing..being sex toys, he is very warped and the blogger most likely to be seen on the FBIs Most Wanted list ….at some point in time, thankfully we will be spared having to tell anyone that we know him.

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