Caleb Orozco
Caleb Orozco

We are equally responsible to ensure State accountability to protect the human rights of ALL and not SOME! Therefore all laws, policies and actions must be consistent with the CONSTITUTION…No one person, group or community should be discriminated against because of the colour of his or her skin, his or her choice of religious belief, his or her ethnicity, or his or her sexual orientation… –Cristina Coc –Mayan Leaders Alliance (Emphasis in original)

There appears to be in these parts, I have remarked on more occasions than one, a general antipathy to a claim to a human right, except of course where it implicates the rights of the respondent individual, a friend, or a member of his or her family. For some, there is simply too much emphasis on rights by others these days, and there is likely to be a swift reminder to the asserter of one’s responsibilities as if the responsibility of others not to infringe one’s rights in a democratic society were not equally paramount.

In such a hostile environment, the decision last week by Benjamin CJ in the Belize High Court that section 53 of the Criminal Code of that jurisdiction was inconsistent with rights guaranteed under the Constitution is not likely to be met with much acclaim locally.

According to this provision, marginally noted “Unnatural Crime”

“Every person who has carnal intercourse against the order of nature with any person or animal shall be liable to imprisonment for ten years”.

It is generally understood that this offence includes intercourse per anum or buggery, and, as the equivalent-but-not-identical provision in Barbados does, it takes no account of whether the implicated parties are consenting to the act, whether it is done in private or whether the “recipient” is male or female. In Barbados, conversely, the offender is liable on conviction on indictment to a clearly dissuasive sentence of imprisonment for life, according to section 9 of our Sexual Offences Act, Cap. 154.

Benjamin CJ found that the provision violated the constitutional rights of the petitioner, Mr Caleb Orozco and other Belizeans identically situated, to human dignity, to privacy, to equality before the law and to equal protection of the law, since it criminalized sexual intimacy between consenting adults, even in private.

As to the question whether Mr Orozco had legal standing to make his claim since, unlike the claimants in Lawrence v USA, he had not been arrested or charged for an offence under section 53, Benjamin CJ was of the view that the very existence of the law made him an “un-apprehended felon” because he was liable to be arrested at any time, given his avowed lifestyle of engaging in anally penetrative sex with other men.

To the argument that the Constitution prohibited discrimination on the ground of sex and not on that of sexual orientation, it appears that the learned Chief Justice treated the former as including the latter in light of Belize’s international obligations that treats them thusly.

Such international obligations would include the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, to which Barbados became a state party on January 5 1973, and which was used in Nicholas Toonen v Australia by the United Nations Human Rights Committee [UNHRC] to nullify some provisions of the Tasmanian Criminal Code that criminalized all forms of sexual contact between consenting adult men in private.

In that matter, the state of Tasmania conceded that Mr Toonen’s right to privacy had been arbitrarily infringed by the provisions but sought to justify their enactment on the ground that the retention of the sections in question was justified and partly motivated by an effort to stem the spread of HIV/AIDS in the state, and that the laws were further justified on moral grounds.

The UNHRC found that consensual sexual activity in private was indeed covered by the concept of “privacy” and that the lack of the enforcement of the provisions in recent times did not prevent their continued existence from continuously and directly interfering with Mr Toonen’s privacy. The Committee found further, as Benjamin CJ ruled last week, that the reference to “sex” in article 26 of the Covenant is to be taken as including “sexual orientation”.

Officials of the local LBGT chapter have warmly welcomed the decision, according to press reports, and the question naturally arises whether a similar decision would ensue were there to be a local challenge to the constitutional validity of our section 9.

I am reluctant to offer a considered opinion on this matter, which is not as straightforward as it might appear at first blush. For one, the Barbados Constitution in its section 17 does not guarantee a right to privacy in the emphatic terms of section 14 of the Belizean Constitution-

“A person shall not be subjected to arbitrary or unlawful interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to unlawful attacks on his honour and reputation. The private and family life, the home and the personal correspondence of every person shall be respected”.

Second, the Barbados “saving laws clause” is far more restrictive than that in Belize which limits the continued constitutional validity of laws existing at the date of Independence to a period of five years thereafter. There is no such limitation in Barbados. The Belizean provision is as follows –

“Nothing contained in any law in force immediately before Independence Day nor anything done under the authority of any such law shall, for a period of five years after Independence Day, be held to be inconsistent with or done in contravention of any of the provisions of this Part”.

In consequence, Benjamin J was not restricted from considering the constitutionality of section 53 even though it might have existed before Belize became independent in 1981, After 1986, it would have lost its freedom from constitutional question in any event. In Barbados, such a law might have been saved from constitutional query.

I expect that there will be some degree of resistance to this ruling locally, chiefly on the basis that it gives overt legal sanction to the transgression of Biblical injunction. While there is, of course, much cultural force in such an argument, it must also be recognized that Barbados is not yet a theocracy, that the determination of whether a law corresponds with the nation’s supreme law in the Constitution is a matter for temporal debate on accepted canons and principles of interpretation. Too besides, I am not at all certain that the mere existence of a law, absent its effective enforcement, should suffice to satisfy a fiat of compliance with Biblical precept.

To be continued…

86 responses to “The Jefferson Cumberbatch Column – Enforcing the Rule of Law”

  1. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Mr Bush Tea, I can’t win your popularity game of neologisms or adopting straw arguments. Criticize as much as you want but it’s good to use accurate portrayals of the commentary previously given.

    My reference to Mr Barrack pointedly focused to the frustrating governmental power towards the average citizen, in or out of the courts. Your screed thus makes absolutely NO sense in that context. But it does make sense as part of your standard palaver, however, so popular victory to you, sir!

    Please do as your good friend the blogmaster often beseeches: read with comprehension!

    As an aside. Apart from the well-know Barrack case, there is the less well publicized case of land owners around Harrison’s Cave who have been denied their rights for many years now as it relates to monies being paid for lands compulsorily acquired. The matter is so long standing and ‘shockingly effed-up’ that the sitting PM was the attorney of record for some of the plaintiffs seeking redress. Just showing how many years has dragged on…as is the norm.

    No subvention can be approved to pay these average ‘Violet Beckles’ their ‘pittances’…yet over 3/4 Million can be erroneously approved for legal fees on a ‘simple’ loan agreement in the Cave’s operations.

    @Donna. you are much too intelligent and capable to ask as you do @ August 15, 10:32 AM for, let’s say, the Cliff Notes on Violet Beckles. You have always struck me as the type who diligently digests the actual book and only uses ‘Cliff Notes’ for additional guidance. So as Pieces noted ‘let Google/BU search’ be your guide; read the book out there on this.

    Incidentally, I personally find it unfortunate that you would dismiss the claims if ‘she was [not] a former slave’ or ‘illegitimate [Black] child of …massa’.

    Would her race status change the alleged oppressive and disgusting legal machinations perpetuated on her rights or those of ‘any’ Bajan.?

    As much as I appreciate the context of your ‘racial view’ we often need to be reminded that Pastor Niemoeller’s words are as relevant today in situations like this, as they were in the 1930s: We do not fight for those who are not like us at the peril that we are sacrificing our own ability to fight.


  2. @Dribbler not trying to mislead the public. Jeff is seeking payment. In one post I stated that the HIERS should pay. In the next one I stated IF they cannot afford to pay. I have no knowledge of their financial circumstances.


  3. @ Dribbler the above should have read “STOP” trying to mislead the public


  4. @Dribbler. If after the hiers camnot pay and others agree to the suggestions to finance the research, of course we should be reimbursed. The reason why this matter should be resolved in Court is so that we do not have to take any persons word just the truth. The Court of law should be able to decide what is factual or not and deliver justice.


  5. Ok Professor, you run along and “keep ya hands clean.”


  6. @ Jeff
    Bush Tea, may you recall for the readership just one, no more, of those “deliberately or maliciously flawed” decisions?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Boss, it is so bad that almost ANY decision can suffice… so let us go with probably the one of best renown…
    Not Barrack – (too easy and too obviously flawe) …. but Winton Campbell.

    A professional engineer, in the position of Government Electrical Engineer, is victimised by government because he dares to insist that a white businessman follow the existing electrical regulations. He is within his right to insist on these regulations as THE professional in this area, but the albino is able to pull strings to force government to actually ANNULL the position – just to appease their bribe master….

    You ask…
    How would Bushie recognize it if it came up and slapped him around his head?
    Simple …. BASIC FAIRNESS, …JUSTICE and ..RIGHTNESS
    ..and the basic requirement for any court to uphold RIGHT over WRONG.

    Ever since your shiite court made THAT decision, no other Civil servant has dared to STAND UP FOR WHAT THEY THOUGHT TO BE RIGHT …. for obvious fear that they too would be screwed – and could have no recourse to the ‘courts’…

    How an otherwise reasonable man like you can put your confidence is a bunch of shiite words written down by AC-level clowns such as we have in parliament as your guage of ‘justice’ bogles Bushie’s brass bowl brain…..

    By the way…. how come you need payment in order to research DEED’s case …but can find time to produce such extensive legal arguments for bulling and wicking…?
    Peter paying for that…?
    …or Paul?


  7. @Bushie

    Do you agree that Sir David did a good job on the talk show today?

    Did you hear when he said 100 plus recommendations were made in a report laid in parliament in 2007?

    We like it so.

    >


  8. @ David
    The difference between Sir David and the present lot is that he is actually quite intelligent. He was able to pass the 11+ exam and went on to succeed at school….
    He did a good job on brass tacks because Bushie did not call ( 🙂 )…and probably because he no longer has any real political agenda to hide.

    The problem with genuinely bright people like him is that they can get away with a lot more shiite since they would hardly send text messages demanding bribes…or hide the money in mommy’s account.

  9. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    @Bush Tea, if what you said about Campbell is true, then the Cabinet responsible should never grace the corridors of power in this jurisdiction ever again.

    You realize of course, that the decision would only be “malicious? or unjust if those facts had come out in court and Campbell still lost? Did they?

    Incidentally, I am usually paid for whatever I may write…unless I decide to share it gratis.

  10. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    Jeff

    I don’t know what came out in court but I can tell you that Bushie spoke the truth.


  11. “Heather August 15, 2016 at 9:21 AM #

    @ Jeff, if the heirs cannot afford to pay for the research, if David would pemit it we can have a fund raising effort to which I will contribute.”

    Quite noble indeed I daresay but after she has won the case and her heirlooms restored what will be in it for the contributors/

  12. Violet C Beckles Avatar
    Violet C Beckles

    The research was done ,The Question is now what is still held by government ? The DBLP Government have been removing proof of the crime from the different department in the Barbados government, When we find and check back from time to time and they are gone , But we still have our copies stamped, Most lawyers say they cant find and dont want to use what we have, The history and courts have been gutted full blast like removing Natives Indians from their land, The Barbados Police Fraud Squad Station Sgt Mark White have maybe 20 pounds of paper work, We hold well over 100 pounds,
    Books as well are written to fill the gaps,
    Donna, i hope you have googled , Massive Land Fraud Barbados or even Violet Beckles of Barbados, let this link and some info help you ,
    https://www.facebook.com/alexmitchell.el/


  13. @ balance
    Quite noble indeed I daresay but after she has won the case and her heirlooms restored what will be in it for the contributors/
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    JUSTICE!!
    …the VERY best thing that any set of people can possibly do for THEMSELVES…
    Boss…
    You don’t know how much you show your true colours….


  14. @ Caswell
    I don’t know what came out in court but I can tell you that Bushie spoke the truth.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Skippa, knowing you, that statement ALMOST sounds like you would end it with
    “…for a change”…LOL
    When has the Bushman done otherwise…?

    @ Jeff
    You realize of course, that the decision would only be “malicious? or unjust if those facts had come out in court and Campbell still lost? Did they?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    You take some very interesting positions.

    How can it POSSIBLY be other than UNJUST and MALICIOUS, when an innocent Public Servant, trying HONESTLY to do his best professional job, can be so victimised by politicians in favour of their puppet-masters ….. and the court be useless in unravelling the dastardly act?

    So you are now saying that the Court has NO inherent responsibility to get to the FACTS of a matter in order to ensure that JUSTICE is dispensed…but rather is quite justified in allowing misrepresentations, concoctions and downright fabrications to be presented WITHOUT any responsibility to itself delve into the matter?
    So then any set of ‘lawyers’ within a tight ‘fraternity’ …or any set of ‘Lodge -connected’ brothers can EASILY fabricate their own collective version of ‘justice’?

    What kind of system is THAT…?
    …one that you endorse?


  15. I too found Brasstacks today with Sir David to be both enlightening and entertaining.As Bushie pointed out,he is an intelligent legal luminary whose services are in demand in the wider Caribbean.He has the background and the training to separate the issues and zeros in on the substance.
    Winton Campbell was not the only public servant legislated out of service.As I recall Shirley King was given the parliamentary treatment also by none other than EWB.


  16. @ Gabriel
    “legislated dismissal” is not the problem at all. In Bushie’s book, it is a legitimate tool in Government’s management kit.
    The PROBLEM here is the motive. …and the uselessness of our HIGH COURT SYSTEM to get to the root of such extreme actions to ensure that justice is done …and transparently seen to have been done.

    Campbell pulled out ALL THE STOPS that could reasonably be expected from an ordinary citizen (which he undoubtedly ALWAYS was) …and yet the shiite courts were IMPOTENT.

    Had Campbell not pursued the matter …. or had Government produced evidence of him being guilty of some shiite, then Bushie’s position would be VERY different.


  17. @ Jeff
    Bushie will give you a simple example of a WISE and JUST Court of justice.
    Seriously …have a quick read of 1 Kings 3:16-28.

    How would our high Court have dispensed this matter…?


  18. “Boss, it is so bad that almost ANY decision can suffice… so let us go with probably the one of best renown…
    Not Barrack – (too easy and too obviously flawe) …. but Winton Campbell.

    A professional engineer, in the position of Government Electrical Engineer, is victimised by government because he dares to insist that a white businessman follow the existing electrical regulations. He is within his right to insist on these regulations as THE professional in this area, but the albino is able to pull strings to force government to actually ANNULL the position – just to appease their bribe master”

    Bushie might very well be telling the truth but contributors ought to be aware of how justice was dispensed in the case so below is submitted for information and independent analysis

    [2] When he held the office of Chief Electrical Engineer, Mr Winton Campbell, “the Appellant”, was one of many civil servants holding a public office which could be abolished by a statutory Order laid before the Barbados Parliament and approved by a resolution of each House (as provided for by section 2 of the Civil Establishment Act 1948, Cap. 21).

    [3] On behalf of the Attorney General of Barbados, “the Respondent”, it was argued that the inevitable consequence of the statutory abolition in good faith of a unique public office was a retirement from that then non-existent office, leaving the former office holder only with the accrued pension rights he had under the terms of his appointment to that office (unless appointed to a new office in the public service so as to continue his pensionable public service).

    [4] On behalf of the Appellant, it was argued that, despite abolition of his office of Chief Electrical Engineer by statutory Order, he could only be removed from the public service under section 94 of the Constitution by the Governor General, acting in accordance with the advice of the Public Service Commission: moreover, the Governor-General could not act upon such advice without affording him the right to refer the matter to the Barbados Privy Council under section 98. Failure to comply with section 94 had meant that the Appellant remained in the public service and was entitled to receive the emoluments that had been attached to the office of Chief Electrical Engineer. Alternatively, he was entitled to damages, including exemplary damages.

    THE FACTUAL BACKGROUND

    [5] By letter of 10 April, 1987, the Appellant was informed that the Governor General acting in accordance with the advice of the Public Service Commission – and so complying with section 94 of the Constitution – had appointed him to the post of Electrical Engineer in the Electrical Engineering Department with effect from 2 June 1987 at the rate of $45,888 per annum, subject to his being passed medically fit. The principal terms and conditions were as follows:

    “(a) You will be subject to the provisions of the Service Commissions (Public Service) Regulations, 1978 (as amended from time to time) and to such other Regulations, Statutory Rules, General Orders and administrative directives as may be in force in the Public Service;
    (b) You are required to complete and submit the enclosed form of Declaration of Health to me by 1987-05-08. In this connection, you may be required at the discretion of the Chief Medical Officer to undergo a medical examination (Order No. 2.7 of the General Orders 1970);
    (c) Subject to the exigencies of the Public Service, you will be entitled to the grant of leave in accordance with the provisions of Chapter V of the General Orders 1970;
    (d) Your appointment is pensionable in accordance with the provisions of the Pension Act, 1947, Cap. 25, as amended by the Pensions (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act, 1985-18.”

    [6] This appointment was to provide for the carrying out of the key tasks required of the “Electrical Engineer” by the Electricity Act, 1936, Cap 277. When the Appellant took up this important office in June 1987 it happened to be established under the Civil Establishment (General) Order 1987 (SI 1987 No. 52) pursuant to powers conferred by the Civil Establishment Act 1948. The Civil Establishment (General) (Amendment) No.2 Order 1987 (SI 1987 No. 147) then amended the earlier Order: “Substitute the words ‘S3’ for the words S5 appearing in the column headed ‘Code Number’ opposite the office ‘Electrical Engineer’.” The Civil Establishment (General) (Amendment) Order 1988 (SI 1988 No. 50) further amended the earlier Order: “Delete all the words appearing under Electrical Inspection Department and substitute ‘1. Chief Electrical Engineer S3 … 1 [one] … 2. Senior Electrical Engineer S7 … 1 [one].” The reference in the Electricity Act to “Electrical Engineer” was then construed as a reference to “Chief Electrical Engineer” pursuant to a Notice under section 20(3) of the Interpretation Act, Cap 1, published in the Official Gazette on 22 August 1988.

    [7] It appears that the Civil Establishment (General) Order 1987, as amended, was then replaced by the Civil Establishment (General) Order 1990 which continued the offices of one Chief Electrical Engineer S3 and one Senior Electrical Engineer S7. However, the Civil Establishment (General) (Amendment) Order 1991 (SI 1991 No. 170) required deletion of those offices, substituting for them “1. Chief Electrical Officer S4 … 1 [one] … 2. Deputy Chief Electrical Officer S7 … 1 [one].”

    [8] This Order, made pursuant to the powers conferred on the Minister responsible for the Public Service, came into operation on 1st April, 1992 by virtue of the Civil Establishment (General) Notice 1992 (SI 1992 No. 25). It had the effect of abolishing the Appellant’s office of Chief Electrical Engineer from that date, as pointed out to the Appellant by the Chief Personnel Officer’s letter of 8th April, to him. The letter reads as follows:

    “I am directed to refer to my letter No. PH. 224/156 of 1991-11-18 informing you of a proposal to re-organize the Electrical Engineering Department. The reorganization has been finalized and the post of Chief Electrical Engineer held by you was abolished with effect from 1992-04-01. Arrangements will be made for the payment to you of any benefits for which you may be eligible as a result of the abolition of the post of Chief Electrical Engineer.”

    [9] This state of affairs came about after complaints both from members of the Electrical Inspection Department headed by the Appellant and from the Appellant himself about lack of collaboration and co-operation within the Department. This led the Head of the Civil Service in April 1989 to commission an inquiry to consider the operations of the Department and staff relations therein.

    [10] As a result of the inquiry a report was submitted to the Government in August 1989. A meeting was held between senior officials in the Public Service and the authors of the report. It was proposed that the Department be reorganized and certain functions be transferred to the Traffic Section of the Ministry of Transport and Works. It was further proposed that this Ministry should set up a unit to undertake responsibility for providing for electrical design services so as to avoid the need for engaging expensive private electrical consultants. It was agreed that, subject to the Appellant’s approval, he would be seconded from his post to head this unit.

    [11] On 18th September, 1989, the Permanent Secretary, Ministry of the Civil Service wrote to the Appellant.

    “As promised at the meeting held today among yourself, the Chief Personnel Officer and myself, I refer for your information and comments, a copy of the report on the enquiry into the Electrical Inspection Department which was conducted by Mr. F.A. Parris and Mr. Rudi Webster.

    I am also directed to inform you that in keeping with the suggestion at paragraph 17(1) of the report it is proposed, as a temporary measure only, to seek to utilize your services on the following assignments which are most urgent to the planning requirements of the construction and development programmes of the Government –

    – to provide electrical design services associated with major construction and maintenance projects;
    – to provide professional services to the Ministry of Transport and Works on design and operational aspects of street lighting, traffic lights and signals and the metering for traffic control.

    Included in the construction projects which are on-going or contemplated are the West Wing of the Parliament Buildings, the proposed new Marine House Complex, the Headquarters Building for the Fisheries Department and the Vendors Mall in Bridgetown. It is felt that the services required in this connection will last for up to two years.

    Your comments on the proposal in the above paragraphs in relation to the required support staff, equipment and other facilities will also be appreciated. You will, doubtlessly, wish to comment on the entire proposal as it relates to you personally.

    Above all I wish to assure you that these proposals are made not only to avoid am exacerbation in the relationships at the Government Electrical Inspection Department but more particularly in the interest of the speedy fulfilment of Government’s commitment to certain projects over the next two years.

    Your early response to this letter, if possible by the end of September, would be greatly appreciated.”

    [12] On 3rd October, 1989, the Appellant replied:

    “Thank you for your letter MP 6055 Vol. III dated 1989-09-18 and your offer for me to provide electrical design and other professional services to the Government programmes you outlined.

    Your attention must be drawn to the Electricity Act Cap. 277, Section 3(d) which confers on the Chief Electrical Engineer the authority to be responsible for the execution and approval of all electrical installation work on Government property.

    It must be noted that electrical installation design is a process of planning and involves the preparation of specifications, documents and drawings depicting the scope of work to be carried out. Since the Chief Electrical Engineer is accountable for the execution and approval of such work, it is his duty, if he so requires, to engage the services of persons to undertake any stage of his tasks. It is not the responsibility of the Ministry of Transport and Works.

    Your proposals appear to impinge upon the statutory duties of whoever holds the office of Chief Electrical Engineer and also to split the functions of that officer between his Department and the Ministry of Transport and Work.

    I must also inform you that architectural proposals are to be examined and site investigations undertaken to determine the extent of work required and the support staff, equipment and other facilities needed for the execution of the programmes. You must also take into consideration the difficulty in recruiting and training support electrical engineering personnel at this time in Barbados.

    The report of the recent investigations into the Electrical Department has been submitted to my lawyer for advice.”

    [13] On 27th October, 1989, the Permanent Secretary met with the Appellant to try to resolve matters, but the Appellant indicated unequivocally that the only option he favoured was his immediate return to his substantive office as Chief Electrical Engineer.

    [14] Having him continuing as Chief Electrical Officer proved unsatisfactory, leading to the Cabinet on 29th August, 1991, approving a proposal for the reorganization of the Department, including the re-assignment of certain functions to the Ministry of Public Works Communications and Transport and involving the abolition of the office of Chief Electrical Engineer. The Cabinet agreed that the Appellant should be fully compensated in relation to retiring benefits within the provisions of the Pension Regulations 1947 referred to in the terms of his appointment. The Chief Personnel Officer by letter of 18th November 1991 (referred to in [8] above) directed the Appellant to proceed on special leave in the public interest from 19th November 1991. This was challenged by the Appellant in an action before Husbands J who held that “the Chief Personnel Officer’s directions to the plaintiff were legal, in accordance with the rules of natural justice and in accordance with the General Orders and the Constitution of Barbados.” No appeal was pursued.

    THE COURTS BELOW

    [15] Meanwhile, the Appellant had commenced these proceedings by originating summons in the High Court filed on 19th October, 1992. Essentially, he claimed that his public office had not been abolished, so that he was not entitled to any pension, but he was entitled to be regarded as having continued in public office entitled to the salary and other benefits attached to that office; alternatively, he was entitled to damages. The matter came before Waterman J who completed the hearing of the originating summons on 5th December, 1995 and delivered his judgment on 4th December, 1998 dismissing the Appellant’s claims. The Appellant’s office had been abolished in accordance with the law, leaving him entitled only to his pension rights. No order was made as to costs.


  19. Steupsss @ balance
    Why don’t you leave a man’s job to Jeff nuh?
    This may be above your pay grade…

    Bushie is talking about JUSTICE.
    The fact that Government has the CONSTITUTIONAL right to abolish a post has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the JUSTICE of doing so…

    WHY DID THEY DO SO…?

    The police may have the right to search your house for drugs, …but if a certain sergeant does so because you won’t leave his wife alone, … that is another matter altogether.


  20. “Bushie is talking about JUSTICE.”

    Were you when you accused the Government of victimisation.

    It is indeed above my pay grade and that is why I put the information on Bu so that other commentators could judge so you could steupss till your tongue drop out.


  21. In my opinion, Campbell and King were considered a hindrance to politicians giant sized egos and they were both shown ‘who is boss in here’.The fact that the boss in both events happen to be DLP who want to be thought of as the employees’ champion,suggest the proof of the pudding was in the eating.The NCC workers are in the same boat.Lowe’s brothers and sisters and mother are protected by the ERT.The employees must suck salt.To quote the PDC point man Mark ….’.down with the damn DLP.’


  22. Dribbler,

    I am supposed to care about some white planter who gained his wealth off the backs of my ancestors and then was defrauded? Steupse! Boy you like you would want to make me sin my soul! I’m trying hard to keep it at a steupse!


  23. Deeds,

    I now recall reading the claim in a newspaper but I must admit I dismissed it as just too unbelievable. Even when I saw your posts here I dismissed you as a madman. This is, like Piece’s submissions on the Nazim Blackett Police Brutality blog, something I will have to spend time processing because I have been naïve for a very long time.


  24. And now that Wynton Campbell case has done further damage to every civil servant through the CCJ ruling.


  25. @ balance
    Were you when you accused the Government of victimisation.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    EXACTLY.
    People in authority (government /police /teachers /parents) are given authority in order for them to enforce righteousness and justice. When that authority is mis-used for purposes such as victimisation, such persons MUST be held to a higher standard than ordinary citizens.

    It is the role and duty of the court system to enforce this BASIC requirement, and to the extent that it is unable (or unwilling) to do so, such a court system must be condemned as a damned waste of time and frankly, …a lotta shiite.

    Bushie is waiting to hear Jeff explain why the above is nonsense.


  26. @ balance
    For example, any manager has the legal right to make a job redundant (which is what government did to Campbell) but if this is done because of personal issues between the manager and employee (such as the employee resisting sexual advances), …or in Campbell’s case, because the employee lost favour with one of the manager’s boyfriends as a result of legitimately doing his job, then IT CANNOT BE FAIR AND JUST FOR THAT MANAGER TO SPITEFULLY MAKE THE JOB REDUNDANT.

    If the manager did so anyway, then ANY court worth it’s salt should be able to satisfy itself that the redundancy was justifiable (not constitutional – which is OBVIOUS) and failing that, disallow the victimisation.

    …and this is only one case…

    Our courts are bare shiite.
    As a result, the senior public servant are all sycophants and certified ass lickers….
    ….There is no wisdom to guide public policy…
    ….Our destiny is in the hands of a set of political jackasses
    ….Our hard -earned progress is shot
    ….our reputation is in the gutter
    …and we are the laughing stock of the whole world in everything from tourism, finance, sport, justice, management, innovation, music, education …every shiite except wuk-up and get-on like an animal.

    All thanks to the INEFFECTIVENESS of our courts….

    By the way….
    ” so you could steupss till your tongue drop out.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Cuhdear – don’t you mean till Bushie’ teeth drop out…?
    …cause the bushman could always just stick them back in…

    But the tongue….?
    yuh want Bushie to hush up so bad??!!
    LOL
    ha ha ha


  27. ”Your ongoing predisposition to preserve (y)our physical life at all costs is symbolic of the malady that pre-empts most Bajans from enjoying life as ‘true golden vessels’ rather than enduring living as brass bowls….’

    @ Bushie

    Well said!

    This is maybe the most profound of all your writings.

    Highly prescient to those still holding fast to colonial mentalities.

    If the intent implicit was made real we wouldn’t have all these irrational fears. A lot of problems we could solve ourselves.

    Bajans like living too much but would give our lives to defend empire or empire’s interests.

    Is that not the mindset of a slave?


  28. @ Bushie

    Of course we are with you about Jeff’s and his legal profession’s predetermined acceptance of bulling as a right, you may say righteous, human activity.

    Please remember that what Jeff is part of is central the culture of imperialism. When massa says bulling is alright Jeff’s profession must genuflect under the cloak of precedence.

    Poor Jeff is merely a water carrier for the people in charge

  29. pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ Pachamama and Bush Tea

    Whuloss!!!

    The mindset of a slave!!!

    I’ll be wunna Huckleberry hahahahahaha.

    Let me be clear.

    We are at war.

    The war is taking the lives of our youth (as the exit off the Jolly Roger and Bajan Queen, as they sit on the block, as they enter our schools and exit clueless and unemployed, as the seek tertiary education and are left high and dry without the resources to continue)

    It is taking a toll on the poor man and the not so poor – as they are now the employed poor, one paycheck from poverty)

    It is decimating our rather the chances of 95% of the population to own a piece of the rock through the insidious insertion of disproportionate contracts to a select few and economic slavery for the rest of us.

    The tools to fight war as we all know have to render the enemy useless.

    What are some of the “enemies” we seem to be fighting?? I will presume a small list.

    Enemy 1. So at the level of economic enfranchisement, if whitey or whomever the “enemy” is perceived to be, is discommoding us in the realm of contracts and land ownership then, it follows that we either compete with them in those arenas (ONLY TO LOOSE WHEN OUR POLITICIANS PROMISE 60/40% awards in favour of the “small black man”) or move to different contract types and “lands” where, for the time being, the field is level.

    MagnaCard was one such “contract and land” that was initially owned by us niggers and highjacked by Illuminat? a product which now abounds across the Bajan “landscape”. But we dun lost that one, haven’t we?

    But that is one tool that the ole man speaks of here, every effing day, which i suggest should be used in our fight to dominate “virtual, economically fruitful land”, That fight has not changed for all of these years.

    It would be most unkind of me to say that I see you, and my colleague in arms Bushie, “holding fast to colonial mentalities” since I do not see either of you gents fighting in that millieu!!

    But then again, if i continue to use the brush that you gents seem to have applied here, maybe i should, hahahahahahaaha.

    Maybe i should say things like “your individual absence from this field of endeavour is symbolic of the malady that pre-empts most Bajans from enjoying life as ‘true golden vessels’” as champions in this domain and new land of indigenous technological empowerment , instead of “enduring living as technologically devoid brass bowls…”

    Wunna problem is that wunn does talk bout sacrifice and 100 years wars and the struggle and all that but have difficulty realizing that this IS NOT AN OVERNIGHT THING and that you and I may die and not see the results of this revolution of the psyche

    At the level of moral and spiritual war, I am a dufus since I cannot understand how the legislation of Integrity legislation can induce integrity and, as all of wunna know, de ole man has little belief and confidence in the posturers of the local church.

    The blogger Retribution has stated here that “money talks and bullshit walks” and I reflect on that statement because, to all intents and purposes gents, we be talking up nuff storms and BS here in BU.

    So either it is that wunna feel that talking is part of the process of empowerment that sensitizes people as to the nature of the problem, and that some additional steps come there after or we are practicing “verbal waste foopism”

    That is unless of course either of you has transcended word and sound at 343 m/s and can convey your thoughts to others BY TELEPATHY.

    I would beg you both to share such with de ole man and not be like Artaxerxes with his keys to the Archives.


  30. What has been the vision of our political leaders in the last 8 years? Have we seen a semblance of it being played out?

    What has been the vision of our last 3 Presidents of the BA?


  31. “Bush Tea August 16, 2016 at 7:20 AM #

    @ balance
    For example, any manager has the legal right to make a job redundant (which is what government did to Campbell) but if this is done because of personal issues between the manager and employee (such as the employee resisting sexual advances), …or in Campbell’s case, because the employee lost favour with one of the manager’s boyfriends as a result of legitimately doing his job, then IT CANNOT BE FAIR AND JUST FOR THAT MANAGER TO SPITEFULLY MAKE THE JOB REDUNDANT.

    If the manager did so anyway, then ANY court worth it’s salt should be able to satisfy itself that the redundancy was justifiable (not constitutional – which is OBVIOUS) and failing that, disallow the victimisation.”

    Shut up not at all if you so do then there will be little to tickle my fancy
    but Bushie was your allegation a part of the thrust of Mr Campbell’s attempt through the court to retain his original post


  32. @ balance
    but Bushie was your allegation a part of the thrust of Mr Campbell’s attempt through the court to retain his original post
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Don’t be simple.

    Do you think that when that police sergeant executes the illegal search warrant at your house …there will be any mention of your interest in his wife?
    …your tail will be so busy trying to protect your property and freedom that even you will forget what the REAL issue is…
    ..and good luck getting a local lawyer to raise it in court…..
    When you find such a lawyer perhaps you can share the number with Deeds…

    This is why courts need to be WISE.
    …to ask questions like “Why choose balance’s house – and not Jeff’s”; It there any other relationships between those initiating the search and anyone related to the home?; Do you know of any reason why this search would have been initiated…?
    etc….

    Were Bushie to be your judge, that Sergeant would quickly find out which god he is serving…. and the word would quickly go forth unto the land …that it does not pay to abuse police authority….

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    Donna August 16, 2016 at 1:14 AM #

    Deeds,

    I now recall reading the claim in a newspaper but I must admit I dismissed it as just too unbelievable. Even when I saw your posts here I dismissed you as a madman. This is, like Piece’s submissions on the Nazim Blackett Police Brutality blog, something I will have to spend time processing because I have been naïve for a very long time.

    Donna We hope by now you have googled, this is more truth than your Bible,

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    David August 16, 2016 at 8:30 AM #

    What has been the vision of our political leaders in the last 8 years? Have we seen a semblance of it being played out?

    What has been the vision of our last 3 Presidents of the BA?@@@

    crime and more crime corruption , the proof is all over the people faces and head at night living each day as it comes, All we need now is police to take off the entire Island of Barbados,

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    Bush Tea, no lawyer worth his or her salt would ask those questions, having no idea what answer the policeman might give. Law of Evidence 101!


  36. @ Jeff…
    Any lawyer worth any salt would be able to show that there was NO logical basis to restructure that job at that time …other than to ‘get at’ Campbell.
    …just as ANY answer by the sergeant ..as to why he chose to search balance’s house rather than yours or Bushie’s …opens him to entrapping himself with lies….

    In any case, a wise judge would explore such avenues in order to make sure that all three sides of the story are ventilated in the interest of justice…

    In Bushie’s case study for you, that judge pulled out his sword…and quickly dispensed with any need for DNA, blood or other tests….

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