Submitted by Wayne Cadogan

WICBThe time has come and has been long overdue for the revamping of the West Indies Cricket Board and its band of myopic nomadic members, whose purpose is to splurge off of West Indies cricket for their own personal gains and to keep West Indies cricket a submerged state in the cricketing world. It is quite clear that the Board is out of control and is not accountable to no one but themselves. With the latest episode of the firing of Darren Sammy as captain and player of the 20/20 team, who has been the most successful captain in recent years and who had held the team together at a time when there was no discipline or order among the players?

Since the Board is not accountable to the governments of the region and does not acknowledge any of the recommendations put forth by them, then it is up the people of the Caribbean to boycott the cricket, by not attending the games. The boycott in 1992 sent a strong message to the Board then and was very successful in bringing changes to the game. It is rather clear that the Board is using strong arm tactics to control the cricket, players and coaches that do not conform or follow their regime will not be tolerated by axing them.

It would appear that the Board does not subscribe to any player or coach who is out spoken and feels threatened by their actions to stand up for the players. In recent years, the Board has seen it fit to purge themselves of any players, coaches or selectors who went against the grain. One can see clearly that it is the Boards intentions not to tolerate anyone who is out spoken and only surround themselves with “YES” men that they can control. Over the years, there has been a number of ex test cricketers the Board has distance themselves from and continue to do so, because they are very out spoken and no nonsense individuals like the Brian Lara’s and Sir Vivian Richards to name a few, all who can make a valuable contributions to West Indies cricket. As recent as this year, the Board rid itself of it’s out spoken Chairman of Selectors Clive Lloyd and replace him with a “YES” man and Lloyd in turn given the newly created post of Special Ambassador.

There have been too many controversies and embarrassments over the years in West Indies cricket by the current Board and it is high time that this band of self imposing radicals be curtailed from office, in order for West Indies cricket to rise again to its glory days. Since the governments of the Caribbean or any of its committees that were selected to formulate a path forward for West Indies cricket, does not have the fangs to bring about changes within the Board to any of the recommendations that they put forward, then the people of the Caribbean has to stand up to the Board. It’s the people that have the power in their hands to force the Board hand in implementing changes to the way it does its business, by not supporting the gates when the West Indies team is playing in their individual territories. If there are no spectators, then there is no money going through the turnstiles, then the Board would have to change their way of running the board, that is, if they are truly interested in West Indies cricket rising from the ashes and not their own personal goals.

78 responses to “WICB OUT of Control”


  1. The WICB says it is on a rebuilding mission for the next world cup hence the appointment of Carlos Brathwaite to see if he has the ability to rise to the challenge. The dilemma and difficulty for the WICB will come when some of these players achieve success and ask for the NOC.


  2. Artax,

    No, Chad is not entirely correct. Partying all night is not an option. Did you read what I wrote about Gary? It cannot be one size fits ALL because people are different. For instance, one rum and coke drunk a couple of hours before leaving a fete relaxes me and makes me a better driver. But that’s because I am a nervous driver, too aware of the idiot that could be around the next corner. A good manager will know his players and get them to co-operate with what works for them. In a workplace some people have their most productive times in the morning and others in the afternoon. Flexitime is often a good idea if the type of business allows.

    The way to get people to co-operate is often just a matter of good communication.


  3. Donna August 7, 2016 at 7:10 AM #

    “Sammy contributed little by way of bat and ball but as the captain HE MUST HAVE PLAYED AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN THE TEAM’S WIN. He motivated them, kept them united, kept them focused and developed tactics and strategy. Sammy is a very positive individual who believes against the odds.”

    @ Donna

    I agree with your above comments within the context that a Sammy was needed at that time. However, your arguments were presented in defense of Sammy’s inclusion in the WI team. The cricket pundits/gurus/analysts often said if he was not captain, he would not have a secured position in team and by his inclusion, he was keeping some other deserving player out of the team.

    The below article taken from the “Trinidad & Tobago Newsday” is an example:

    WI Selectors killing West Indies Cricket
    Saturday, November 16 2013
    RAYMOND HACKSHAW

    THE EDITOR: I keep wondering when the West Indies cricket board will fire the West Indies selectors along with their coach Otis Gibson and Darren Sammy.
    They are a total embarrassment to the cricketing public and all lovers of this beautiful game. Why they persist with Darren Sammy as captain, is beyond all comprehension! Darren Sammy is not a test cricketer and I repeat not a test cricketer and will never ever be, he cannot bat, yes cannot bat, at best he is the ultimate vooper, vooping from the get go. He is an ordinary bowler who gets an occasional wicket; simply put he is not an all-rounder.

    In my opinion, for West Indies Cricket to move forward the West Indies Board has to start by removing the selectors and the coach, remove Darren Sammy as captain, because that is PREVENTING a BETTER PLAYER from MAKING the team,

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    In 2013, although conceding Sammy was a unifying force in the WI team, Clive Lloyd questioned his (Sammy’s) future in the team. Former players Michael Holding and Brain Davis also expressed the view that Sammy should not be WI captain or be a member of the team.

    Ironically, Sammy’s critics will obviously have a completely different view of their positions after he was sacked as the T20 captain.

  4. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
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    @David, but why the need for “The dilemma and difficulty for the WICB will come when some of these players achieve success and ask for the NOC.”

    Why should that happen? If these guys are on top of their processes there should be no issue or rather as you said dilemma. This is where ‘treating differently’ definitely needs to be in play.

    A fellow like Carlos has his youth once, right! So he needs to maximize his earning potential as a cricketer during these halcyon days of youth. The WICB surely MUST accept that.

    Thus either they pay him a really good comparative market salary or allow him via the NOC to participate at tournaments where he can augment and earn that type of salary.

    Of course its not a simple 1-2-3 easy process in reality but properly planned and communicated there can avoid dilemmas.

    And just as surely this is not about Carlos or Jason directly but about properly planned processes for the captains and other top players….all about ‘treating differently’. Smile.

    Did you see that the owner of Leicester bought BMW sports cars for all his champion winning team. Vastly non-comparative to our situation of ‘treating differentlyl’, yes I know; but the point is that underdogs can do great things with great planning, motivation and when everyone is truly ‘ALL IN’…

    …that is the WICB’s dilemma.


  5. The dropping of Sammy is obviously linked to his criticism of the Board post ICC World Cup win. The rebuild argument although a valid one is more PR. Let us try to make our arguments relevant to the current reality.

    On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Barbados Underground wrote:

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  6. @Dee Word

    The NOCs are issued by other Boards based on the itinerary read commitment of the national team?


  7. Artax,

    How much better would this better player be? Are the ten runs more that he would probably contribute and the occasional wicket worth more than Sammy’s unifying force? That is the question. We shall soon have the answer.

  8. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @David, rousing discussion here on cricket. So let me round off your 8:55 and 8:58 post before I step off.

    It is a canyon easily forged by a bridge of retribution to say “The dropping of Sammy is obviously linked to his criticism of the Board post ICC World Cup win”.

    But a better bridge based on sound logical practices says no. Darren Sammy himself stated that he expected the ICC tournament to be his last as captain and player. We can all go back and check carefully his narrative before and during the tournament.

    So whichever people want to believe is fine but there are NO practical cricket or management reasons for Darren Sammy to continue to lead a WI T-20 team heading towards the next ICC cup.

    NOCS: Yes of course NOC are issued by the Boards and as we know the entire concept was agreed between Boards and the player reps. It is part of the complex process of ensuring countries, franchises, advertisers and the cricket public get the benefit of top players across the various games and tournaments.

    The process was created to prevent dilemmas not create them. It is crystal clear that the WI is the only ‘nation’ that have MAJOR problems with this process re their top players…the ONLY one!

    So is it about money? Is it about management? Is it about small-minded elites demeaning this new considerable financial power of these ‘lil boys’?

    I will make no claims. But ours is the only social structure where the average player is very much treated with scant respect.

    Despite all the gains coming after the Lloyd era, ours was still the only ‘nation’ where its player union adopted (had to?) tactics last seen many years previously with militant, stridently adversarial action at seemingly every turn.

    So sir, I say again, the NOC is not the dilemma. The WICB management is the dilemma..cause and result.


  9. Why did he say that, do you think?


  10. @Dee Word

    An oxymoron to state that the discussion is rousing yet you will stepoff?

    Why do you think Sammy cloaked his criticism of the Board in the way he did? He knew is was not the time or place to be critical of the Board. He made his decision like Bravo and the lot and no amout of fandagle explanations will change this best practice.


  11. It is interesting to see how different people approach the problems in WI cricket. Just like a lawyer, David thinks it somehow helps to “re-structure” the WIBC. Bring money, David. Various people want to fire the selection committee. Donna talks like a typical woman: We need a captain who can motivate the team and skilfully manage its “group dynamics”.
    All of you are climbing up the wrong tree. West Indies used to rely on “natural talent” for batting, and on fast bowling short of a good length that intimidated batsmen — before all that protective equipment became part of the game. That approach doesn’t work any more, so what’s next. The answer is data-driven cricket that focuses on bowling because bowlers win matches.
    What is unique about each delivery that has claimed a Test wicket? Not just in our matches but in the matches of the Australians, South Africans, Indians, Sri Lankans, Pakis and Brits. Who was the batsman.What was the speed, length and angle of the ball, the height of delivery, condition of the pitch, the placement of the field, the angle of the sun, etc.
    Enter all the data into a computer and do some analysis. A picture will emerge of specific types of deliveries that work best against each batsman on each opposing team. So issue specific instructions to each of the bowlers we select to go up against an opposing batsman. Those instructions would be precise about exactly how to bowl each over, down to the details of sequencing the different deliveries. All based on what has actually worked against a particular batsman in the past. Computer memory replaces intimidation.

  12. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
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    @David, LOLLL. I absolutely love your interpretations. There is a very important fact I hope all writers on BU grasp (I know Walter has, loll): words need to be clear and thoughts clearer still…so let me try this again….smile!

    “So let me round off your 8:55 and 8:58 post before I step off”….as I have to get ahead with other things. No oxy-clean or oxymoron!

    But having not gone yet….this is my view re Darren.

    Darren used his one day ‘champion’s publicity media glare’ to bare his feelings and get a strong punch to the WI Board. He knew very well he was relinquishing his roles in WI cricket and would not ever have as good an opportunity with that megaphone volume.

    I believe that he was clear that as a professional he was not contributing to team success on the field as he would like and that it was time to move on… he did so as a champion…double champion too!

    One can quibble about his statements but I would offer that his only reason to voice them at that time was to generate as much support possible to effect change. He did not do it as a mere publicity stunt; nor did he fear losing his captaincy or place. Those he knew were done after the tournament regardless.

    Thus he will only see his remarks as successful if change for the better – short and mid term – can be forced…I too will only see it that way.

    That is the persona which Darren projects in my view. He weeps for Caribbean cricket completely.

    (n simple terms, in his homeland he is a national treasure…he and his family will always now be at the center of a pot of gold there. No one need worry for him beyond the boundary…until he gets into cricket admin…and then we will condemn him afresh…loll)


  13. The problem Dee Word is all your explanations do not reconcile with his hotel room video of his view regarding the decision to replace him.


  14. Wade Gibbons

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    This is an SOS to anyone in the hierarchy of the BCA or WICB. . .please keep in contact with Jofra Archer at Sussex and let him know there is a place in regional cricket for him. He played Under-19 cricket for both Barbados and West Indies and the British are currently salivating over him in South East England. Our stocks are too low to lose this highly talented all-rounder to England.

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    Seibert Silentrage Straughn

    Seibert Silentrage Straughn Might be too late

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    David King

    David King Something the WICB and or BCA should consider s to have a legend assigned as a coach or mentor. To keep the connection to the West Indies aiive.

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    Raymond Lorde

    Raymond Lorde Wade Gibbons let this young man go and forge his path. We already have Joseph whom we don’t what to do with. we have beaton that we can’t seem to help to the next level after so much promise. The lad has a chance to do well for himself. However, he should be mindful of history.

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    English BlackKnight

    English BlackKnight How much you gine pay him? That is what matters for these cricketers

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    Argyle Catwell

    Argyle Catwell Wade the boy already stated his interest in playing for England…you are too late….you speak about greed on previous occasions but a career in a county team is more stable and financially rewarding that exposing yourself to the lottery and whatever else prevails when you place your future in the hands of the WICB. Ask Chris Jordan who is his mentor.

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    David King

    David King This is where we have reached, all about money. Well God help us if we are unable to inculcate that flame of nationalism and to keep is burning brightly.

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    Wade Gibbons

    Wade Gibbons so what are our administrators doing? archer didn’t just start showing promise, he was seen to have obvious talent from his days at Foundation, i think it is, can’t remember exactly, but who was paying attention between age 18 and 21 to this young man? seems like no one in our set-up that england might now be ready to poach him. I find they treat the blokes from australia and south africa that want to play for england a tad better than those coming from the caribbean. history has shown that.

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    David King

    David King A good example of how a farming program works is to look at the football programs in Europe. Once early talent is spotted there is a structured program to register and nurture the talent to maximise and realise the talent. Do we have a comparable set up?

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    David King

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    English BlackKnight

    English BlackKnight Our administrators for years have not been able to spot talent early, does not have programs to allow them to do so. This tells me that our administrators themselves are lacking in knowledge and as a result you can only get apples from an apple tree.

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    English BlackKnight

    English BlackKnight David King money buy food, pay the bills, pay for education, prepare you to be a entrepreneur or a businessman. These days there are no room for Seymore Nurse, Sir Clyde Walcott, Sir Garfield Sobers. Gov’t and BS&T had to protect these guys after game of cricket. That well has no more water. You have to give these youngsters credit to realize that there is life after cricket.

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    David King

    David King OK Sir, expect to reap the consequences.

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    Argyle Catwell

    Argyle Catwell And that cricket I’d a profession with a short life span. And very short compared to other professions.

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    English BlackKnight

    English BlackKnight There is no consequences of paying professionals what they deserve. Lawyers, Ministers, scientists, plumbers etc are paid well. the consequence you have is that you want to pay peanuts and reap oil. Black People need to understand the environment around them. You pay US$ 400 for air Jordan’s. The USA took Rihanna and rebrand her and now you have to pay the USA price. So why do we want our cricketers to play for the good of country for free. We need to wake up.Just saying………

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    English BlackKnight

    English BlackKnight Note that our athletes are already on board. None of them pay back Barbados with their experience after they have completed their national duty. That is why there is no Obadele ThompSon in our youth.

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    Adonijah Alleyne

    Adonijah Alleyne Recently saw him take a five_-fer then smash a 40 something

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    Gregory Nicholls

    Gregory Nicholls Barbados Pride open bowling with Kevin Stoute this year so that is a clear signal from the selectors

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    Argyle Catwell

    Argyle Catwell Don’t go down the money versus pride and nationalism route again. England and Australia’s 16 centrally contracted players get paid £700,000.00 per year and are paid £12,000.00 per test match. The captain gets a £300, 000.00 bonus. That is money to be p…See More

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    English BlackKnight

    English BlackKnight Very well said

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    English BlackKnight

    English BlackKnight Slaves used to work for the good of Mother country to survive. We now have to respect our freedom and start supporting our own and not wait until Mother Country rebrand it then to pay what we are told.

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    David King

    David King And this is why the WIBC should have sponsored/created a semi or professional league years ago to generate commercial activity i.e. create a product. What we have done is to sell the rights of Twenty 20 cricket to foreign interest for example. We shoul…See More

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  15. Wayne R Cadogan Avatar
    Wayne R Cadogan

    @Dee Word, guess that the West Indies will also allow this kid to get away too! I saw an interview with him and he stated that wanted to play for England on his first class debut for his county team.


  16. Jofra Archer is getting paid playing county cricket in England.

    He is eligible to play for England.

    Why would he say he wants to play for the West Indies even if he does ?

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    @David, your Facebook chat is informative. Catwell gets it perfectly right. Why would any professional cricketer who has the opportunity to play for England or WI choose the latter unless his strategy is to use the easier route to national team selection and then to international exposure and riches hopefully.

    None of us can really get into the head of former players beyond of course their comments in their books and articles. And from all that, it seems that monetary stability was certainly a key motivator for most of them.

    Those who were able to balance a county career and play for the WI did both well as they never really had to choose. But remember Haynes and that WICB folly for returning late from SA, for example.

    Have the use of academies and Sir Hilary’s effort with his UWI program not been done to achieve just the goal of spotting talent and twinning it to developmental programs for the youthful cricketer! Of course.

    Blame the folks for not doing enough and for not continuing to grow those programs. But to suggest that we are allowing talent to slip through our fingers seems overly pessimistic and a narrow view of the facts.

    The little I know informs me that this issue of talent scouting and players going to England etc is as old as the hills. And here I come to the fray in the Capt. Short days with an inkling of what happened then.

    So back to the start…I remember a lad called Alleyne who opted to play for England rather than WI back in the day.. So too a fellow called Gladstone Small. Both, if I am not mistaken, actually went to school the same as Chris Jordan (must be the water up there, Loll).

    So what drove a good old Bajan boy like Small to turn his back on national pride? One was financial stability I am sure. The other was that it was harder to make the WI team…exactly the opposite of why this lad Archer would make England his choice now.

    This is not a simple discourse of some ephemeral national pride…cannot be!

    RE: David at 11:02 AM #…let’s agree to disagree. Your interpretations are different to mine having heard the same remarks. The man clearly said to the effect, I don’t know when I will play with these fellows again, which I read as a tactic ‘bye-bye’.

    Now that was after his famous speech, but before that he made remarks about this being the last opportunity for many of the senor players and that they wanted to play and win, thus they put aside all disagreements with the Board. Remember weeks before he directly had challenged the Board on some outstanding issues.

    My analysis of those facts is different to you sir. That’s why Jeff turns out so many lawyers to make lots of money parsing verbiage.

    Not a cent to be made here bro so I think we have parsed this to death.

    Later

  18. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
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    @chad99999 August 7, 2016 at 10:25 AM #…you have to be out of your cotton picking mind. How can you take such a real aspect of sports and turn it into a side-show jibe. LOLLL.

    So when the ‘Ninja’ Malcolm Marshall was dissecting batsmen so deftly do you think he was not utilizing all the fancy computer metrics as derived and developed from a close mental analysis.

    No dispute that all the analytics help but to suggest that they can miraculously improve performance is laughable…well no sorry. Let me back-up.

    You are right. After the computer analysis as long as we employ very competent sportsmen who can execute the plans perfectly like a McGrath, Stark or Ambrose or Anderson then success is absolutely guaranteed.

    The fact that this was exactly the point since a smart fellow decided to try something called a body-line attack is obviously irrelevant now that we will create this mass of metronome efficient excellent bowlers based on these new computer analyses.

    Phew…what a mouthful. Chad I know you say these things to get a rise, so I obliged. LOLL.

    @Wayne, no sir WI will not let him slip through their fingers. Nope.

    The lad will make the best decision to suit his life. That is why the WICB will lose out.

    They have proved themselves to be incapable of man management…why would he join such a fracas when there is an excellent man managed process just off an exit of the M1 motorway likely just miles from his current training ground and which will not affect his county career.

    Would YOU do any different!!

    Let’s get real pleassseee!

  19. Wayne R Cadogan Avatar
    Wayne R Cadogan

    Artax, you can call me all types of names, it doesn’t matter. My article has nothing to do with Sammy, you must read and understand the main concept of what you are reading. I just used that as a point. If you knew anything thing about me or what I have said in the past, you would have realized that for the past three years, that I have been calling for the axing of Samuel’s and Ramadin from the West Indies team.
    Furthermore, West Indies cricket was successful with fast bowling and I have always felt that if West indies cricket is to reach those pinnacles again, then they have to go back to four fast bowlers. Also, I have being saying for the past four years that we should have been rebuilding or team with young players, in order that in two or three years, those young players would be seasoned professionals.
    I agree with you wholeheartedly that Bravo is not up to standard, since as a number three batsman, since he does not like the short ball and cannot play it when it is dug in. Yes, he has not lived up to the reputation that he came into the game with and needs to be dropped too. The majority of you that read my article, miss the point. I was not making a case for Sammy, since I have always felt, after they took away the Test captaincy from him, that it was only a matter of time that he would have been dropped all together. He was successful and they kept him, but because of his out outspokenness after the World Cup and not being a “YES” person, that it was the right time to drop him.


  20. Wayne R Cadogan August 7, 2016 at 3:29 PM #

    “My article has nothing to do with Sammy, you must read and understand the main concept of what you are reading.”

    @ Wayne R Cadogan

    Don’t worry about the name calling.

    Can you indicate to me where, in any of my contributions, I mentioned your article had anything to do with Darren Sammy?

    Surely you are the one who “must read and understand the main concept of what you are reading.” because my references to Sammy were in response SPECIFICALLY to Donna’s contributions in which she raised an issue about him.


  21. @Wayne R Cadogan August 7, 2016 at 2:29 PM #,

    The WICB has no more control over which country Jofra Archer plays for than the cricketing authorities in South Africa had over which country Andrew Strauss, Kevin Pietersen, Jonathan Trott and Matt Prior chose to represent.
    The potential to earn financially is greater in England than in South Africa and the West Indies, so that is a big consideration when players make their decisions.


  22. How many more…?

  23. Wayne R Cadogan Avatar
    Wayne R Cadogan

    Artaxerxes, August 07, 2016, 12:54 am
    I might be a cricket novice, but I do not have to use profanity to defend what I have to say. When a person cannot defend themselves, they usually resort to profanity! not my fault that you are not capable of expressing yourself other wise. You seem to have a personal grouse towards what issues that I comment on? You know, you can save yourself the agony by not reading them! Have a great day!


  24. Wayne,

    We didn’t miss your point we just got a little sidetracked.


  25. Donna August 8, 2016 at 9:17 AM #

    “Wayne……. We didn’t miss your point we just got a little sidetracked.”

    @ Donna

    Yes, exactly…….. the EXCHANGE about Darren Sammy was between US and NOT Cadogan. I don’t know why he is becoming so hot under the collar.

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    Wayne R Cadogan August 8, 2016 at 9:00 AM #

    “Artaxerxes, August 07, 2016, 12:54 am: I might be a cricket novice, but I do not have to use profanity to defend what I have to say. When a person cannot defend themselves, they usually resort to profanity! not my fault that you are not capable of expressing yourself other wise.”

    @ Wayne R. Cadogan

    Are you willing to indicate to me where is the profanity in any of my responses to YOUR contributions and give me an example of how I am unable to defend myself?

    It seems as though comprehension is not one of your strong points, since you continue to misinterpret the content of my responses. Surely you cannot expect to make a contribution to BU with the hope of being unchallenged and everyone agreeing with you. If that’s the case, then you are exhibiting a sense of insecurity and immaturity.

    Come off it, man. I told you forget about the name calling and, rather than being side-tracked with non-issues, defend your position on the issues you raised in your article.

    And for the record, I don’t have a personal grouse against you, especially if your are that Wayne Cadogan, who is a fellow “Black Rockian.”

  26. Wayne R Cadogan Avatar
    Wayne R Cadogan

    Artaxerxes, No sir, you are definitely getting me confused with another Wayne Cadogan. I am not that Wayne Cadogan that you know!


  27. Okay, I thought your were the Wayne Cadogan who was into fashion designing a few years ago and whose son Fidel and I used to play basket ball together.

    I’m sorry, sir………… Please accept my apologies.

  28. Wayne R Cadogan Avatar
    Wayne R Cadogan

    Artax, no problem. Yes, I am the Wayne Cadogan who was into designing, But I never lived in Black Rock and my son name is not Fidel (for his age and 6″ 3″ I sure wish he would play basketball). Now you have me stumped, never knew or heard of another Wayne Cadogan in Barbados who is a designer, always thought that I was the only one. Cheers.

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