The following was submitted to the Facebook Group Bajans Against $700M Waster to Energy Plant by a Mechanical Engineer.
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My concerns are the true scale of the project, […]40MW, 60 MW, 70MW. Peak power demand in Barbados has averaged 125MW – 167MW over the last few years so this is 25 – 40% of the local electricity needs that can be supplied from this plant.

Light and Power has and Integrated Resource Plan where they have indicated a decommissioning schedule for equipment. What happens the day this plant has a failure and what are the contingencies in case that they cannot meet this demand? The document I read indicates that there will be no financial penalties in this regard. This is unacceptable.

What is the government’s plan for energy security in Barbados? Are there steps being taken for one comprehensive energy strategy instead of catching at every available technology that sounds good? Various documents and press releases over the years make mention of a landfill gas to energy and  a smaller conventional waste to energy both part of a 25MW at Mangrove Pond Green Energy Complex, a 25 MW biomass to energy facility at Andrews using bagasse and river tamarind (this facility could also process the same king grass). How many of these plants are actually going to come into fruition or will we be left with some white elephants? Where do the smaller or utility scale traditional (solar/wind) renewable energy projects fit in this scheme?

Biomass and WTE plants are geared towards baseload generation as they don’t have any problems with intermittency as long as there is a constant supply of whatever feedstock is supplying the facility. So these large plants will want to be the preferred electricity suppliers to the grid. At what cost? Is the cost of electricity going to be higher per kwh to consumers that current fossil fuel generation?

EIA and Grid impact studies which the GOB has nobly decided to foot the bill, another poor decision. Cahill was shopping around for somewhere to base this plant why are they not also footing the bill for these studies?

Building capacity and knowledge transfer. Stantec is engaged for the EIA consulting, Hatch Mott McDonald engaged for the engineering consulting, JADA engaged for the construction. Any plans to engage and enlighten local engineers and machine shops who will be left to operate, maintain, fabricate parts for, God forbid they actually go ahead with this plant?

Any plans to ask for an opinion from the local engineering body? I see Engineer Gibbs and Franklin have both published pieces in the media. I know as professionals in a small society that persons may not be keen to voice their opinions, no one wants to be ostracized from getting work, but I think that it would be remiss of BAPE if they did not give some opinion on the matter.

I do not support the construction of a plant this size on an island this small. When it breaks down, because that is inevitable will the spares be on hand or will we have to wait for spares to be flown/shipped in? What happens to the operation then, what happens to the waste? What happens to decommissioned equipment from this plant?

Just a few thoughts which have possibly been shared before. This is no small undertaking and as an engineer I cannot be opposed to innovation and the introduction of new technology but usually it is done after consideration of the risks involved and the best option is usually a mature, commercially proven option not a gamble. The IADB has said in one report that we (Barbados) under

126 responses to “Mechanical Engineer Calls on the Barbados Association of Professional Engineers (BAPE) to Address the Proposed Cahill Waste to Energy Plant”


  1. Alvin Cummins July 22, 2015 at 8:43 AM #

    “I know the difference between Cahill Energy, Cahill Engineering and Cahill Energy (Barbados), but it obvious from the replies given to my contributions by people like Bushie, Artra and other negative nabobs; who only know how to try to denigrate others, DO NOT know the differences.”

    Firstly, Cummins, I NEVER OFFERED AN OPINION ABOUT ANY DIFFERENCES OR SIMILARITIES BETWEEN Cahill Energy, Cahill Engineering and Cahill Energy (Barbados). Far too often you erroneously attribute contributions made by persons to those individuals who have not WRITTEN them.

    Either you don’t read thoroughly and comprehend or perhaps in your zeal to represent the DLP’s agenda, you overlook those important details.

    Secondly, surely you must admit that you have been “copy and pasting” from articles and posting them to BU as yours means of trying to substantiate your position. However, you FAILED to offer any explanation as to their relevance to Barbados’ situation.
    That, Cummins, is unacceptable in any argument. This is expected of someone who lacks comprehension skills.

    Thirdly, as it relates to your comments, re “When you are wrong you are wrong, admit it. When your opinions are flawed accept it and admit it.”

    I make it a habit to contribute on matters or issues of which I have the REQUISITE KNOWLEDGE and TRAINING. As such, I make it a habit NOT to comment on issues I do not know anything about.

    Hence, I made ONLY ONE contribution on this topic, in which I asked about TRANSPARENCY and for you to EXPLAIN the WTE plant within the Barbadian context, since the countries mentioned in your “posts” are much larger than Barbados.

    What is so NEGATIVE about my questions and how can you relate these questions to your suggestion I should admit being wrong, when I did NOT OFFER ANY OPINION on the WTE plant in the first place?

    There goes your comprehension skills again.

    Cummins, you have recognized that the comments and opinions of your fellow DLP supporters on BU are often UNSUBSTANTIATED and WEAK and other contributors take pleasure in highlighting these flaws.

    So, you have decided to take up the mantle, by challenging contributors who, in your opinion, are “BLP operatives,” by referring to internet articles as the basis of that challenge. In other words, you want to be in a different category than your colleagues on BU.

    You have failed miserably.

    Unfortunately, you are of the misguided opinion that “surfing” a few web-sites and regurgitating the information contained therein, makes you an intellectual. You must be reminded that ordinary web-sites are not authenticated and referring to information from those sites in this forum, although it may satisfy your objectives, the information is not credible.

    However, as someone who knows much better, I prefer to seek credible information from sites that are authenticated for research.


  2. @ David,

    sea SHELLs on the seashore. lol


  3. *****I make it a habit NOT to contribute on matters or issues of which I have the REQUISITE KNOWLEDGE and TRAINING.


  4. I hope the design of the WTE plant is being modified to withstand earthquakes.


  5. Hants July 22, 2015 at 10:05 AM #

    http://www.cahill-energy.com/news-posts/making-progress-bdos-will-soon-benefit-from-waste-to-energy-project/

    From the April 1, 2015 Advocate story

    “We are committed to this project and working with the Government to deliver it to people of Barbados,” the CEO promised. She noted that the project is reliant on the continued co-operation of the Government and welcomed Minister, Dr. Denis Lowe’s confirmation that the Section 5 is imminent.

    According to her, the investors due here next month will be meeting with Minister of the Environment, Dr. Denis Lowe; Minister of Finance and Economic Affairs, Christopher Sinckler; Agriculture Minister, Dr. David Estwick; and Senator Darcy Boyce who has responsibility for Energy.

    “When people see our success in Barbados, I think that will spur other investors to come on board and follow on with other investments,” she said, noting that her company is very excited about the plans.

    This is a groundbreaking project built with world-class technology that will be showcased around the world”

    It is now July 22., 2015. Please tell us what happened to “the investors due here next month” (May 2015)


  6. They had a town hall meeting and representatives of Cahill, Sanitation Services, the minister the PS, and other officials were in attendance.What happened in the period between then and now?

    Alvin, simple….lies, lies and more lies.

    Why is it that almost every negotiation involving Environmental matters keep running into a snag. Maybe we have the wrong captain that is clueless.

    Will we have another “Ministerial Statement” this time to justify Cahill and the $700 million. Remember. These statements cannot be challenged within Parliament. I agree with Artaxerxes that Barbados is far to small and vulnerable for such a large (unknown) wastage plant. What if an explosion occur, Barbados is too small for anyone to hide. I see no substantial benefit for Barbados….probably, to be the biggest dumbert in the region. Maybe the ability to advance financially.

  7. St George's Dragon Avatar
    St George’s Dragon

    According to apostle Lynroy Scantlebury, god is “….shifting an oil vein from Trinidad and Venezuela, and he’s bringing that oil to Barbados. So these tremors are really to adjust the country, so that the oil can really begin to come inland here in Barbados”.
    Is he the guy that wrote the business case for the WTE plant?

  8. Colonel Buggy Avatar

    How are we going to dispose of these Electric car batteries in another 10/15 years or so? Will they like many of the common lead acid batteries end up in the landfill ,if there is still one.


  9. Due Dilligence wrote “Please tell us what happened to “the investors due here next month”

    They smelled the garbage and decided to stay away until after the strike.


  10. St George’s Dragon July 22, 2015 at 11:16 AM #
    …………………………………………………………………………..
    God had no need to go to all of that trouble. All He had to do was to instruct the Trinis , to make the natural gas pipe line they are planning to bring to Barbados, a bigger duplex type one, to accommodate, oil as well as gas.


  11. A lovely meeting at LESC with the Cahill developers.

    The white Bajan community outnumbered their black Bajan counterparts.

    Wow…. ..Cahill brought out the ‘white shadows’

    Thank you, Cahill.


  12. @Artra”
    I have never tried to give the impression that the articles copied and pasted were mine. I deliberately indicated that these were from various sources and were intended to disseminate the information for the knowledge of those who do not have the information or the inclination to look to look it up. I usually enclose this information in inverted comas to show they are not MY works. I have given references: e.g.. Yale University, British Medical Journal etc, so they could never be construed as MY works. I am above that.
    The CONCEPT is relevant to Barbados, because of the need to reduce the amount of material designated for the landfill and the absence of any land for another landfill. The size of the plant to be constructed will have to be modified to suit the Barbadian situation. This is yet the planning stage. Nothing has been finalizes. An MOU is not a final agreement.U
    Later.

  13. de Ingrunt Word Avatar
    de Ingrunt Word

    @Cummings, according to Dr. Lowe’s Budget presentation the plant seemed to be a done deal pending the financing from the investors.

    His remarks which I am sure you heard suggested that the TP dept had conducted extensive research to validate that this plant would not be a ‘catastrophic’ event for Barbados. Moreso, and more telling they had also approved the construction/planning of the leaching treatment plant to provide the water to act as the cooling agent for the plant.

    So listening to these and other remarks like ‘we had finally settled on a plant’ after what he suggested were ‘diverse’ views it seemed quite clear that this was well past the planning as they were only awaiting the financing to essentially start to turn the sod.

    But heh, if you are now convinced and are thus also convincing all Bajans that in fact the project is no further along that ‘a planning stage’ and that the signed MOUs are no really binding agreements then we applaud that sleight of hand magician’s trick or treat really, which was offered up by Dr. Lowe.

    And I also applaud YOUR dissembling skills. Your are clearly a high level BS’er!


  14. Can the engineers please tell us where in Barbados should we go if there is a tsunami with 100 ft waves.

  15. de Ingrunt Word Avatar
    de Ingrunt Word

    Clone, if after all these years of warnings and advice re the underwater volcano then clearly you must be joking.

    Do you need an engineer to tell you the obvious!


  16. @ Clone,

    Find a topological map of Barbados and figure it out.

    Hint. West Moreland and Warrens should be safe.


  17. sorry Clone “Topographical”

  18. are-we-there-yet Avatar
    are-we-there-yet

    Hants;

    I really appreciate that link you gave us to floodmap.net. The maps are extremely informative. For example I did not know that the elevation of “the valley” was no greater than the elevations of the areas close to bridgetown although I really should have realised it as it is obvious when travelling on any of the ridges looking down onto the “the valley”.

    I went shopping to replenish my hurricane supplies this afternoon!


  19. Thanks Hants
    Really interesting


  20. It is not obvious that Barbadians know where to go if a tsunami strikes lets say the South coast.

    Specific areas inland should be identify at least two miles inland with an elevation of over 30.I got that info from a website which gives advice on earthquakes and tsunamis


  21. All of Barbados continues to wait on BAPE, engineers who gave been educated with tax dollars, to make a statement.

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