The following extracted from the blog  The WICB(C) Conspires Against Our International Players, Again! posted by commenter Dee Word

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Yes @David change is needed I agree. But sensible people understand that the process of change is often as important as the change itself. On the evidence of the last 10 years specifically and generally the last 20 the WI cricket fraternity of players and administrators have acted too cavalier and disrespectful towards each other and thus there is a blighted sense of achievement over any the positives gained. Their change process is certainly not a best practice model.

Let me put it another way:

Overall, there’s a positive sense of achievement re the Clive Lloyd and Sir Viv’s tenures. Of course there were issues of disquiet and upheavals re monies, contract matters, representation etc. but the players for the most part kept the issues in-house and did not embarrass themselves or the spirit of WI cricket.

We remember that time for the highs and lows on the FIELD; not in the board room. World Cup in ’75, WI bashed in ’76 (Australia), WI bashing England for a few 5-0 results, WI supremacy over all others from late 70’s for 10+ years.

Brian Lara scored over 900 runs in two innings in this 20 year span…absolute genius. But my mental picture of his team includes a bad image of disrespect to Nelson Mandela. Privileged talented young-men who did not have any life altering hardships because of the color of their skin thought it prudent to use THAT tour and the absolute euphoria surrounding SA most renowned citizen to press their base claims.

I didn’t grudge them their rights or justification for the cause: that was all good; but I dismiss their lack of self-worth and respect for the person and an occasion that was well beyond a few dirty ‘pieces of silver’.

I don’t cherish their positives.

Of course it seems practical to work diligently to put out a fire if our house is burning; you don’t fan the flames because you are pissed-off and see an opportunity to get the occupants with whom you are in dispute out the door. Let the law and course of time move you to a resolution, difficult though that may be. Cherish the house and retain it in the best condition for eventual take over.

But life’s funny and not always practical is it… because when you have the means to buy another house you are less interested in preserving the one in dispute. You spite your adversary so much that you no longer care if that house turns to ash.

A harsh analogy, you say, but is it. Somebodies for a long time seem hell-bent to diminish the lovely edifice that is WI cricket.

It’s comical that we protected and saved the house against colonial racism practices, the 2 bumper rules, reduced county contracts, distorted revenue sharing terms in the days when our teams generated top dollar etc.

And now joke of all jokes we are burning down the house ourselves.

95 responses to “West Indies Cricket Continues Downward Spiral”


  1. BCCI unlikely to claim damages from WICB
    Amol Karhadkar
    October 20, 2014
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    Rajasthan Royals seek clarity on home ground
    The IPL governing council will meet before the BCCI working committee on Tuesday. One of the key issues to be discussed by it will be the home venue of Rajasthan Royals for IPL 2015.
    Royals couldn’t play in Jaipur during IPL 2014, because of the inability of the Rajasthan Cricket Association to acquire requisite state government clearances for the use of the stadium in Jaipur. With the RCA and the BCCI currently involved in a bitter battle, Royals’ management has sought clarity on their home ground for the next year.
    If Ahmedabad, which hosted four of Royals’ home games each in 2010 and 2014, is to emerge as Royals’ home, then the team management may opt to rebrand the team, removing Rajasthan from its title.
    The BCCI is unlikely to claim damages from the WICB right away, for West Indies having pulled out of the tour to India mid-way, but it could hit them with a series embargo. The BCCI’s working committee, which will discuss the consequences of the pullout in Hyderabad on Tuesday, is also unlikely to suspend West Indies players from the IPL.

    The BCCI’s financial losses due to the cancellation of a major portion of the scheduled series could touch Rs 400 crore (US$65 million approx), but instead of claiming damages at this point, the working committee could decide to issue the WICB a legal notice, asking it why it shouldn’t be penalised right away for the breach of bilateral agreements signed between the two boards. Given that the WICB has been struggling financially, the BCCI is unlikely to claim huge damages right now.

    However, the BCCI hierarchy is of the opinion that the WICB’s breach is severe enough to sever ties with the board and amend the draft FTP accordingly. At the moment, India are set to tour the West Indies four times in the next eight years. But BCCI officials are all but sure that the team will not tour in 2016 (four Tests), and possibly in 2017 (five ODIs and a T20).

    The working committee might also approve the draft of a formal request to the ICC to step in and ensure that teams do not return home mid-way through a tour for reasons other than natural calamities and security issues.

    Some BCCI members are of the opinion that the players themselves – who had forced the pullout due to a payments-structure dispute with the board and their players’ association – should be directly penalised by suspending them from the IPL for a period, but that is unlikely to happen. The BCCI top brass is convinced that the West Indies players were not really at fault in the dispute with the board. Moreover, even if the members demand action against the players, they are likely to be told that it will be virtually impossible to do so considering the IPL players enter into a tri-partite agreement with the BCCI and their franchise.

    Also, since the franchises are backing the West Indies players and the team owners now have a greater say in the running of the league, West Indies cricketers are set to continue playing the IPL.


  2. Calypso kings now all cash and bling, and a rabble

    The West Indies’ abandonment of their tour of India is the sort of mess that only they could contrive. As players and officials turned acrimoniously on each other and on themselves this week, and the full consequences became apparent – including the possibility of the West Indies’ absence at next year’s World Cup – it was poignant that it fell to Clive Lloyd to make the apology.

    The miracle of the West Indies is that it does not exist, except as a cricket team. It is not a country, but a region, widespread, diverse and economically straitened, united only by a seductive beachy image. To cohere and grow at cricket to a point where it dominated the game for 20 years, it needed strong, charismatic leaders who reconciled factions and cultivated loyalty and respect. Sir Frank Worrell was one, Lloyd another, and in his own taciturn way, so was Viv Richards.

    Together, they made the West Indies not just powerful, but attractive to watch and popular. Worrell’s team, though narrowly beaten in Australia in 1961, was given a ticker tape parade in Melbourne as it left. Lloyd chose the SCG for his last Test, and upon departing was accorded an ovation that did not die until he was inside the pavilion. Richards made happy masochists of us all.

    But when the fall came, there was nothing to break it. Under feeble administration, the West Indies declined apace for 20 years and now are ranked eighth in Test cricket, above only Zimbabwe and Bangladesh, and eighth in one-dayers. For their recent home series against New Zealand, crowds numbered in the hundreds. West Indian cricket is nearly irrelevant.

    Yet their teams still are populated by cricketers who a Caribbean commentator once characterised as “a bit too pleased with themselves”. Chris Gayle epitomised them: such a devastating player, so insouciant. No successor to Worrell and Lloyd emerged to temper and tame. Spats broke out regularly between militant players and a shiftless board. There were at least three previous strikes.

    But this latest uprising takes sporting impasse to a new level. For a start, it is three-cornered: players against their board, board against the players’ association, players against their own association – which it accuses of betraying them in signing a punishing new memo of understanding last month. Second, though it has been brewing for months, the players waited until they were on tour to act. Boycott is one thing, mid-tour abandonment another.

    For India, it means 17 lost days of cricket (mitigated only a little by Sri Lanka’s agreement to step in for five one-dayers) and no home Tests for the second year in a row, displeasing Star TV, which has paid $500 million for six years of rights.

    For the rest of the world, it means uncertainty. The West Indies are due in South Africa this summer, but no one is counting on it. Immediately afterwards there is the World Cup in Australia and New Zealand, now also under a cloud. “We’re currently monitoring the situation and … we remain hopeful that any issues will be resolved,” a spokesman said on Monday.

    For the West Indies, it means more opprobrium and the probability that India will renege on at least half of its pledged visits to the Caribbean in the next 10 years. There is also the certainty of crippling financial loss. Not only will they forfeit the money they would have made from this tour, they stand to be sued for a mooted $80million for what India will lose by this cancellation. On Monday, the lawyers were gathering.

    Here is the nub of this nonsense. Whether cricket likes or loathes it, India finances it. Now the West Indians have bitten the hand that feeds. As a former senior ICC executive remarked on Monday: “Their judgment of when to fight and when to fold always has been questionable.”

    Reportedly, the memo to which the West Indians so object cuts the pay of senior players by a draconian 75 per cent. But those players mostly are on IPL payrolls, and earning on a scale beyond their forebears’ dreams. And don’t think for a moment they will be shunned by IPL teams for leaving India in the lurch, for the IPL has no conscience.

    It is perhaps fanciful to think that Lloyd in his prime would have taken these players, and board, and this matter in hand. At 70, he is still giving to West Indian cricket as chief selector, but able now only to act as the presentable face of the West Indies and say: “I apologise.”


  3. @Georgie and Pachy: If I understand the thread of these post, you are both affirming that Clive Lloyd and Sir Viv Richards were the power-brokers of their era and did not allow the intervention or incompetence of the administrators to affect their super success. And that they had enough influence to determine who made that final 11 regardless of the selection committee’s intent.

    All true and acceptable. So with that said how is the conclusion that the major weight for the current level of despair falls on the WICB. Or maybe I have misnderstood.

    If I follow your logic and facts to their reasonable conclusion it appears to me that you are saying both Clive Lloyd and Sir Viv would have absolutely squashed any internecine squabbles in teams they led, and would not have allowed any WICB interventions or incompetence to affect or control their prowess on the field… But that is exactly what this Bravo led group did.

    Back then the captains were faced with admin incompetence but called the shots, made practical, sensible decisions and generally won handsomely on the field.

    Now these captains are faced with the same incompetence, still calling the shots, making impractical, asinine decisions and generally losing badly on the field.

    Check what has changed. It isn’t the WICB. The culprit seems fairly obvious to me.

    Incidentally, Bestey is a good guy and was a tremendous batsman but that story of he and Sir Viv is a prime example of the ‘I smarter than you’ mentality that is a base of today’s issues. Frankly, that type of thing happens everyday at work and life BUT you better be sure you are in a position of strength to win that fight or dont’ start it.

    From Carlisle’s perspective if the story (oft repeated, I know) is true how did that benefit him? Not well, did it. As I recall, the rejoinder from Sir Viv was to the effect: “well why the ***** you don’t go and work in Barbados and let somebody who needs this job get a play”.

    As you alluded to Sir Viv had the reputation as the baddest Rottweiler in the yard. It’s generally stupid to pick a fight with the baddest dog.

    Here, Bravo is absolutely not the baddest dog but it seems that he certainly thinks he is.


  4. Dee Word wrote “Here, Bravo is absolutely not the baddest dog but it seems that he certainly thinks he is.”

    I disagree.

    Bravo has probably done more damage to West Indies cricket than anyone else ever did.

    The singular act of leading the players to quit in the middle of a tour will be very costly.

    While there is enough blame to share all around he and the players made a decision that could devastate West Indies cricket.


  5. Viv Richards is an ignorant bully from Antigua who could bat- that’s all! He cussed men and drove good players into early retirement – who could not stand his gutter behavior.

    And he unfaired Best, and Greenidge out of envy in 91 when Dexter was saying tat Gordan was the best right handed batsman he had seen technically.

    re From Carlisle’s perspective if the story (oft repeated, I know) is true how did that benefit him? Not well, did it.

    Carlisle continues to work, and can look forward to a pension.. He was right not to bow to the ignorance, and arrogance of Richards. Playing cricket is not all there is to life–even though it was all that Richards had. Best went out of cricket after an injury, and he had his degree to fall back on. What does Logie have to fall back on?

    One of the things that is wrong in this world is that folk often fail to stand up to petty ignorant,arrogant bullies for fear of loss.

    re As I recall, the rejoinder from Sir Viv was to the effect: “well why the ***** you don’t go and work in Barbados and let somebody who needs this job get a play”.

    THESE WERE THE WORDS OF AN INSULAR ANAL ORIFICE WHO WANTED TO DENIGRATE ANOTHER MAN BECAUSE HE WAS AN ACADEMIC. MOST ENGLISH CRICKETERS WENT TO UNIVERSITY. SO DO MOST INDIANS. THE 96 KIWI TEAM TO THE WEST INDIES HAD A PHYSICIAN IN THEIR RANKS

    RICHARDS IS STILL TALKING FAECULENT MATERIAL LIKE THE SCUM FROM ST JOHNS THAT HE IS POPULARITY AND FAME DONT TAKE CERTAIN TINGS AWAY.

    WHEN HE IS INTERVIEWED. HE SOUNDS AS WHAT HE REALLY IS—A SEMI ILLITERATE! Compare his interviews with the one with Bradshaw on Cricinfo recently! BUT WE LIVE IN AN AGE WHERE ONLY MONEY AND “SUcCESS” MATTERS

    re Clive Lloyd and Sir Viv would have absolutely squashed any internecine squabbles in teams they led, and would not have allowed any WICB interventions or incompetence to affect or control their prowess on the field…

    TOO MUCH CREDIT IS GIVEN TO LLOYD AND RICHARDS. These guys led teams with men who were true professionals who having played 6 and 7 per week in England by their own admission grew up quickly and learned to take on responsibility.

    Today we have a set of very well paid boys who are not very great players really, and who care only about money. They are definitely not responsible (although I am happy that they embbarrased the WICB).

    LLOYD got rid of Roberts for what ever reason, and Richards did not in anyway squash any internecine squabbles in teams they led, THEY SIMPLY HAD A CADRE OF BETTER PLAYERS THAN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.

    THEY DID NOT DISPLAY ANY SUPERIOR TACTICS TO ANYONE ELSE
    THEY HAD SUPERIOR FAST BOWLERS TO ANY ONE ELSE. IT WAS THEN EASY FOR THE BATSMEN TO GENERALLY SCORE THE NEEDED RUNS TO WIN.

    NEITHER DID THEY HAVE SUPERIOR INTERPERSONAL OR HUMAN RESOURCE MANAGEMENT THAN ANYONE ELSE- EXCEPT THAT THEY WERE BASICALLY BULLIES


  6. @ Georgie Porgie
    Carlisle Best, we consider, to be our friend. We think it was unfair for him not to have played much more matches. We have told him this several times. But our overriding concern is about dominating world cricket. If our friend Carlisle and others had to suffer for us to continue the winning ways, we say in war, and cricket is war by other means, innocent people will suffer. We would support that same system again even if other good players have to suffer again. Once effective control is, once again, in the hands of the players on the field, the captain.


  7. it was definitely unfair for Carlisle Best,him not to have played much more matches. PERIOD
    HE WAS BETTER THAN MANY IN HIS ERA WHO PLAYED


  8. PACHY

    I DONT THINK THAT SOME CRICKETERS SHOULD SUFFER SO WE CAN DOMINATE WORLD CRICKET

    IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE THAT OTHER THAN THE BEST PLAYERS SHOULD PLAY


  9. The world is replete with individuals of high talent who never ‘made it’. Have a read of some of Michael Jordan biographies to see how some team members in a winning team. It is not unique to cricket. Logie, Phil Simmons, Hooper, benefited.

    It is evident the WICB structure has become irrelevant and we have to ask why. When Cameron stated early in the dispute it was an issue between WIPA and th Players some of us knew Houston had a problem. It exposed a lack of leadership and an inability to read the tea leaves.


  10. WHEN THE WICB BANNED 16-18 PLAYERS FOR GOING TO SA IN THE EARLY 80’S THAT WAS A MAJOR TOXIN, BECAUSE BY REMOVING THESE PLAYERS THEY CAUSED A SERIOUS BREAK IN CONTINUITY OF THE PRODUCTION LINE

    WHEN THEY DROPPED GREENIDGE RICHARDS AND DUJON FROM THE 92 WORLD CUP TEAM, THAT WAS A SECOND INJECTION

    WHEN THEY MISTREATED HAYNES, THAT WAS THE THIRD INJECTION

    NONE OF THESE PLAYERS CONTRIBUTED TO LOCAL FIRST CLASS CRICKET IN THE WINDIES BY THEIR PRESENCE IN THE TEAMS.

    THE RESULT WAS A WANING OF ATTENDANCE AT FIRST CLASS GAMES, WHICH HAS RESULTED IN THE PAUCITY OF ATTENDANCES AT TEST MATCHES THIS YEAR.

    I REMEMBER WELL THE CROWDS ON THE FIRST DAY (FRIDAY) OF THE BARBADOS VS LEEWARDS GAME IN 91 WHEN YOU HAD AT LEAST 6 TEST PLAYERS ON BOTH TEAMS

    NOW WE DONT GO TO SEE TEST MATCHES FAR LESS FIRST CLASS GAMES

    WHO ARE WE GOING TO SEE?
    WHY GO WHEN EVEN THE FEW “stars” ON SHOW DONT EVEN SHINE


  11. Attendance at Test matches is trending down world wide.

    On Monday, 20 October 2014, Barbados Underground wrote:

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  12. @ Georgie
    Sometimes in management instead of having the best individual players you may need a broader range of talents. For example, there was a player who never use to do too well with the bat or the ball but when things were down he was the one to lift the team spirit, by telling jokes. Now, this is a man who may not be in your 11 but could be good to have in the set up.


  13. Attendance at Test matches is STILL VERY GOOD IN AUSTRALIA ENGLAND AND INDIA ESPECIALLY
    THE ATTENDANCE IN SA IS SATISFACTORY


  14. @Georgie your recent post is unnecessarily angry and filled with animus toward Sir Viv. I am disappointed that it devolved to that level. If you don’t like the guy so be it and he may be all the things you have said but denigrating him like that is very wrong and very insular.

    My comment :– “ Carlisle’s perspective… “ was a reference to his cricket life only. His successes after cricket as Central Banker and commentator, and the college degree which underpinned that was not in question.

    My further comment:– “As I recall, …from Sir Viv..” was to highlight the original remarks from Best which I thought were out of place. Sir Viv’s were nasty but absolutely in context. One does not need an economics degree to play cricket, so to brag about that in that space was being petty or ‘powerful foolish’. In 100% of the cases such a snobbish remark will evoke a nasty response.

    Being educated is not the issue but attempting to be snobbish about it certainly is.

    How is too much credit given to Lloyd and Sir Viv? Lloyd like Sir Frank before him honed a group of skilled, insularly focused athletes into a well-oiled cricket machine. That was not by chance or whim. You can’t seriously not appreciate the depth of insularity in those days. Lloyd’s appointment as captain was in itself shrouded in issues.

    Our teams in recent years were skilled enough to do better but lacked an absolute no-nonsense leader to get them over the line. Based on the previous era evidence someone of the ilk of Lloyd or Richards could have done the job.

    You say the Lloyd and Richards teams were in your words true professionals because they played 7 weeks in county cricket and grew up quickly with responsibility and therefore needed no guidance from an effective leader,

    So please tel me, why then do you assert that a similar bunch of talented players who do much more in cricket around the world than Viv and Clive’s fellas did on the county scene have NOT grown up quickly?

    This bunch (several of them) are playing approximately 5 -6 weeks each at IPL, Big Bash, Caribbean T20 and others, rubbing shoulders with top cricket professionals from around the world; seeing first-hand the nexus of corporate, entertainment and sports; working closely with agents, lawyers and advertisers etc.

    What has stopped them from showing responsibility?

    Lack of leadership maybe…it certainly can’t be all about the money, can it?

    BTW, show me a leader in sports (specifically but generally too) who does not piss off, dismiss and anger a good number of his people and I’ll show you one whose success is less than desired. By their very nature top athletes are opinionated and confident about themselves, sometimes very arrogant. It ALWAYS takes someone with a strong (brusque, in-your-face) will to guide them to success.


  15. @Hants

    The comment “the baddest dog ….” meant that Bravo thought he was the top dog and could do what he wanted because everyone would wilt at his snarl.

    We agree that his actions will have a grave impact; that has been my thesis from day 1.


  16. The West Indies crisis

    WICB to decide on players’ fate on Tuesday
    Nagraj Gollapudi
    October 20, 2014
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    The West Indies players will know the consequences of pulling out of the India tour on Tuesday © BCCI
    Engage with the BCCI as soon as possible to rebuild the relationship. And hand out stiff action, including possible bans, against the core group of players who engineered the pullout from the India tour. Those are the two main courses of action the 18 directors of the WICB will deliberate on at the emergency board meeting in Barbados on Tuesday morning.

    The WICB realises it has burned bridges with the BCCI, but it has been a loyal supporter of the Indian board in the recent past and hopes to leverage this to its advantage.

    Even though no agenda has been set for the meeting, directors who interacted with ESPNcricinfo felt the players had “embarrassed” the Caribbean and brought “collective shame” by deciding to leave the India tour mid-way.

    The WICB was forced to convene the meeting after West Indies ODI captain Dwayne Bravo along with the rest of the squad informed the team management last Friday that the players would not take any further part in the tour after the fourth ODI in Dharamsala. The WICB issued two media releases immediately: initially it absolved itself of any blame, but the second release stated the board was left with no other option but to call off the tour.

    Although the WICB put the blame on Bravo and his team-mates, the BCCI saw the matter differently. Sanjay Patel, the BCCI secretary, categorically pulled up the WICB for jeopardising the tour and said the BCCI would take appropriate action.

    With the BCCI holding its working committee meeting in Hyderabad tomorrow, the WICB directors do not want to waste any further time in extending the hand of peace. “The only thing that will solve this problem will be dialogue,” a senior WICB director said. “We need to discuss mainly [how] to try and build the relationship back with the BCCI. We know that the BCCI will have no confidence in the WICB supplying a team again, and no guarantee can be given in the present circumstances. The BCCI and the WICB have shared a good relationship. The BCCI officials should understand the situation and that the WICB had no other alternative but to do what it did. It was the players, really, to be blamed.”

    A second director agreed, saying reaching out to the BCCI was an “early step” which had become mandatory. “We have shamed our hosts. We have shamed ourselves. That must be on the agenda of the WICB.” According to him the people of the West Indies were “shocked, overwhelmed and disappointed” at the action of the players. “It has brought collective shame to the Caribbean people. It was not the wish of the WICB for something like that to happen.”

    “Some just measures should be taken against the players. I would especially like the players who were part of the core group to call off this tour to be completely banned from participating in the IPL in future.”
    A WICB director to ESPNcricinfo

    The directors insisted that the WICB “did all what they could have done” in ensuring the tour would continue. They felt that the West Indies Players Association (WIPA) was the rightful place for Bravo and his men to engage in negotiations instead of seeking WICB intervention – only because the board would not bypass the player representative.

    “We feel that WIPA, the legitimate representatives of players in the Caribbean, did what they may feel was right. They thought despite a lot of our players playing around the world [in different Twenty20 leagues] the standard of West Indies cricket was not raised. It continued to linger at the bottom edge of world cricket. And hence WIPA in association with the WICB decided to have 90 contracted players across the Caribbean to improve West Indies cricket. That is where the money, the players say they are losing, is going. It is not going into the pockets of the WICB bosses,” the first director said.

    He said he would ask the board to seriously consider some disciplinary action. “Some just measures should be taken against the players. I would especially like the players who were part of the core group to call off this tour to be completely banned from participating in the IPL in future.” He said no such request from the WICB had been sent to the BCCI but that point was bound to be raised at the board meeting on Tuesday.

    But his fellow board member felt it would be prudent to exercise patience and caution for now. “At this stage it is difficult to apportion blame to anybody. The fact is that they [the players] aborted the tour. No matter what difficulties were faced, this action is unprecedented. None of the tours aborted in the past were due to player conflicts. I wonder if the people involved understood the implications of such a decision.”

    The WICB finds itself in a tight corner with no ally, including the ICC. Even if the West Indies tour is part of the current FTP, the ICC has no direct role to play with respect to the dispute. Any claims and damages would need to be addressed according to the MoU signed by the BCCI and WICB. Under the new reforms, unveiled after the last ICC AGM, all matters relating to the FTP are dealt with directly by the members.

    The BCCI’s hard posturing so far suggests it is not afraid to lay down severe financial claims from the WICB. Some of its members want to have a rethink over India’s tours to the Caribbean in 2016 and ’17. “Definitely there will be long-term damage to West Indies cricket, to the reputation of the Caribbean people. How we could mitigate such damages would be the decision of the board, a decision we will have to be advised upon as well. Because it could have far-reaching consequences beyond cricket as well,” the second director said.

    But he was equally confident about working out a solution with both the BCCI and the players. Despite its aggressive stance, the BCCI is also likely to consider its progressive relationship with the WICB. Dave Cameron, the WICB president, has been a key supporter of India at the ICC board meetings. Last year West Indies players had to cut short their holidays as the WICB assembled quickly a team to play the two-Test series in India which where the farewell to Sachin Tendulkar.

    “I am confident the administrators will look all around and not put punitive measures on people and territorial and regional boards. We have to look at the collective good of the sport, what is the best decision for the sport, what are the implications of the actions of doing one thing as against another thing. Good and mature sense will prevail in the end. I am confident of that,” the second director said.


  17. RE @Georgie your recent post is unnecessarily angry and filled with animus toward Sir Viv. PLEASE KINDLY NOTE THAT I AM VERY CALM AND NOT ANGRY AT ALL AND I HAVE NO APOLOGIES TO MAKE ABOUT WHAT I SAID ABOUT RICHARDS

    A COUNTY CRICKET SEASON DOES NOT LAST 7 WEEKS
    I HAVE LISTENED TO SEVERAL INTERVIEWS AND READ SEVERAL ARTICLES IN WHICH THE PLAYERS OF THE 70’S & 80;S CREDIT THEIR EXPERIENCE IN ENGLISH COUNTY CRICKET FOR PROMOTING THEIR RESPONSIBLITY AND PROFESSIONALISM.

    RE
    So please tel me, why then do you assert that a similar bunch of talented players who do much more in cricket around the world than Viv and Clive’s fellas did on the county scene have NOT grown up quickly?

    This bunch (several of them) are playing approximately 5 -6 weeks each at IPL, Big Bash, Caribbean T20 and others, rubbing shoulders with top cricket professionals from around the world; seeing first-hand the nexus of corporate, entertainment and sports; working closely with agents, lawyers and advertisers etc.

    I DONT HAVE TO TELL YOU ONE THING ‘
    I HAVE SAID WHAT I HAVE TO SAY
    YOU CAN AGREE OR DISAGREE

    THE CONTEMPORARY PLAYERS ARE CLEARLY NOT AS RESPONSIBLE OR TALENTED AS PLAYERS OF EARLIER GENERATIONS DESPITE ALL THEY DO.
    IT IS TIME WE RECOGNIZE THAT

    What has stopped them from showing responsibility?

    YOU FIGURE IT OUT
    COUNTY CRICKET AND T20 SWIPING IS A FAR DIFFERENT THING


  18. THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF THE WIBC
    NOTE ONE OF THE DIRECTORS WISH THIS
    I would especially like the players who were part of the core group to call off this tour to be completely banned from participating in the IPL in future.”
    SAID A WICB director to ESPNcricinfo
    THE PURPOSE OF THE WIBC IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO PUT THE PLAYERS AND KEEP THEM IN THIER PLACE

    RE seeing first-hand the nexus of corporate, entertainment and sports; working closely with agents, lawyers and advertisers etc.

    NOTE THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PLAYING CRICKET ON THE FIELD

    WITH ALL THIS EXPOSURE AND LEADERSHIP FROM THE EXPERT COACHES THEY STILL PLAY SHIT CRICKET

    THE FELLOWS IN THE 50’S AND 60’S DIDNT HAVE ALL THAT BUT THEY PLAYED GOOD CRICKET. THEY HAD PRIDE IN THEM SELVES THEY SOUGHT TO EXCEL

    MANY GREAT FIRST CLASS PLAYERS — MUCH BETTER THAN THESE MORONS DIDNT PLAY FOR WEST INDIES

    BUT THEY ARE RIGHT TO EMBARRASS THE WI BOARD


  19. @ Georgie
    You may have us on this one. Still, we can’t see things as cut and dry as you. You may want the best players on the field and this is a strong point. But in management there are almost always many more variables in the milieu.


  20. PACHY
    oFTEN WE DONT GET THE BEST BECAUSE OF POLITICS…..ITS EVERYWHERE—EVEN IN CHURCH

    ON THE 66 TOUR TO ENGLAND ROBIN BYNOE WAS NOT PICKED NEITHER WAS LLOYD

    WHY WAS THAT? THE BAJAN SELECTOR DIDNT VOTE FOR LLOYD SO THE GUYANESE SELECTOR DIDNT VOTE FOR BYNOE

    ON THE NEXT TOUR TO INDIA AT THE END OF THAT YEAR,, THEY WERE BOTH SELECTED, AS YOU MIGHT RECALL


  21. @ Georgie;

    You got me real confused brother…yea, I’m a bit slow.

    You clearly have read your history and and done your research but you only interpret that info as you see fit, all else be damned.

    You are the person who said that the players in county cricket were responsible, clearly alluding to the fact that the day to day actions of training, traveling, interfacing with other top crickets, having to maintain excellent time management etc. etc. made the 80’s era players top professionals in mind and body. Dude, I read my history too.

    My goodness, I understand that and so too any person who has a modicum of sense of how business and life works.

    How then can you argue that the current players who are doing the same thing, in fact doing more because there is more advertising, endorsements etc now not gleaning anything from this exposure.

    Are you saying this generation is stupid whereas the 80’s era had some special intelligent gene to grasp the context of responsible behaviour?

    Your reasoning makes no sense to me. So absolutely I disagree on that basis.

    I am not talking about on the field sir. Whether swiping T20 or 4 day county games the tone and context of the off-field professionalism requirements remains absolutely the same to be a successful athlete.

    Of course, this era players are not as responsible to the ethos of WI cricket; that’s clear. But they have had as much exposure as the others an absolutely know what it takes to be responsible and professional.

    They don’t want to because they feel entitled, have an elevated sense of power and damn well know that despite all the ‘no objection clause’ stuff that they can walk away from WI cricket and still make an excellent living.

    You certainly are entitled to believe and say what you want to but surely the discourse should rationally flow from point 1 to 2.


  22. RE this era players are not as responsible to the ethos of WI cricket; that’s clear.
    They don’t want to because they feel entitled, have an elevated sense of power and damn well know that despite all the ‘no objection clause’ stuff that they can walk away from WI cricket and still make an excellent living.

    I AGREE WITH ALL THE ABOVE


  23. The business of West Indies cricket in India.


  24. The decline and fall of Test cricket

    Like children do with video games, as spectators we are going numb watching dull, futile matches and are revelling in the tiny bits of quality on display

    Rahul Bhattacharya

    December 13, 2010

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    Decline, decline everywhere in Test cricket. Australia are in gloat-worthy decline. New Zealand have declined to a small spot on the horizon. Pakistan are declining in concentric implosions. West Indies, perhaps, can no longer be accused of being in decline; they have simply settled into a permanent beach-chair recline. And yet managed to come out looking better in rain-drenched Sri Lanka, whose team, no longer levitating on Murali’s magic carpet, are themselves not flying up, up and away.

    Bangladesh, decline being impossible, are at any given time supposedly in incline – till whoops! A collapse here and another there and ’tis but an illusion it turns out. Hence they remain secure at the intersection of X and Y axes. Zimbabwe have declined off the co-ordinates altogether.

     

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/491570.html


  25. BUT BECAUSE OF THE LIFE BAN ON THE 18 PLAYERS AND THE FACT THAT THE 80’S GREATS DIDNT PLAY ON AFTER RETIREMENT, THIS CROP OF PLAYERS DID NOT DO THEIR APPRENTICESHIP PROPERLY

    NONE OF THEM CAN BAT A WHOLE DAY LIVE IRVINE SHILLINGFORD OR LOCHHART SEBSTIEN EXCEPT CHANDERPAUL

    THEY JUST HAVE NOT PLAYED THE AMOUNT OF CRICKET THAT THE OLDSTERS PLAYED TO GET INTO THEIR NATIONAL TEAMS FAR LESS THE WINDIES TEAM

    COUNTY CRICKET PROVIDES SEVERAL DIFFERING CONDITIONS IN ONE WEEK .
    THE ECB DONT MIND BEING BEATEN BY AUSTRALIA OR SOUTH AFRICA, BUT THEY HAVE DECIDED THAT WINDIES WILLNOT CONQUER AND RULE AS THEY DID BETWEEN 76 AND 95
    HENCE NO COUNTY OR LEAGUE CONTRACTS….SO NO FINISHING SCHOOL FOR THESE JOKERS AS IT WERE


  26. west indies cricket has now become super charged with total indifference by both player and board members for the game both of which could not give a dam about what the spectator have to say or feel any rallying cry for compensation should be zoomed in the direction pf past players who played their hearts out for little, both board and cricketers should be left to drown in their own tirade of stupidity and selfishness,


  27. The WICB has to learn how to manage the small talent pool in an environment where the best players are millionaires and have IPL and Big Bash contracts.

    It is unfortunate that the players did not consider the fact that they may have cost themselves millions by the idiotic decision to quit in the middle of a tour.

    In the words of Malik “west indies cricket real fuhcup”


  28. Smells like sabotage to me.

    ++++From Wisden India- http://www.wisdenindia.com/cricket-news/players-decision-withdraw-wicb/131089:

    +++ Bravo, who has had several exchanges with Wavell Hinds, the WIPA president, and the WICB regarding the ongoing issues surrounding player fees, was accused of sending a veiled threat to Hinds in his initial communication. WICB quoted Bravo as writing, “Please note that we are giving you the opportunity to right this wrong before things deteriorate [sic] to such an extent that West Indies cricket to the wider cricket world looks to fall to its knees again.”

    +++ WICB also revealed that a delegation comprising Michael Muirhead, the WICB CEO, Julian Charles, the chairman of the cricket committee and Hinds had been scheduled to arrive in India on Monday (October 20), to meet with the players on a number of issues. This meeting was scheduled BEFORE (my emphasis) the players raised concerns about the new Memorandum of Understanding and Collective Bargaining Agreement signed, and was “intended to acquaint all the parties of how it would roll out”, having been agreed upon earlier to take place during the tour of India for logistical reasons – since all the national players weren’t available in the Caribbean right before the tour, with several involved in the Champions League Twenty20 in India.+++

    Unless somebody was trying to pull a fast-one (as Mike Holding alluded to in his piece) how in the name of sensible operations can WICB and WIPA sign and complete that MOU if they had planned to come and discuss details with the players.

    After the strong push back from the players there should have been an immediate remark from WICB saying, ok let’s chat when we get there at our planned meeting, we will hold things as the same until we can resolve.

    But from where I sit, it’s clear that the WICB CEO having already completed the most important action item on his annual plan and having carried out the wishes of his bosses was not going to screw-up his end of year performance review by tearing up the contract to start over.

    He simply had to play hardball tactics and get the players to oblige his recklessness by being just as indifferent.

    Now he can stand before his board tomorrow and say I followed the letter of the law and the players were recalcitrant and irresponsible. They must be punished.

    If he had the real power and security of his job and the true interest of WI cricket as his goal he would have backed-off.

    This is some really deep shit and when all the dirty little back-room details of the last few days flow out I hope careers get pinched accordingly.

    Banning Bravo et al will be counter productive in long run I think but they must be ‘censured’ for their actions. Heavy fines is one option. Take the matter before an arbitrator or a ruling.

    The WICB CEO and Directors with whom he communicated on this matter at the time must be fired (CEO) and voted off board (directors).

    Mr. Hinds will be dealt with by his members.

    But all that easier said than done. We’ll see.


  29. i DONT BELIEVE THAT THE BOARD HAD PLANNED TO GO TO INDIA ON THE 20TH

    I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THEY CAME UP WITH ON FRIDAY WHEN THE FELLAS GOT TIRED WITH THEM AND QUIT

    I WOULD NOT PLAY ANY FINE
    NOT WHEN I CAN GO AROUND DE WORLD PLAYING 20/20 TOURNAMENTS
    THE IPL WANT THE WEST INDIANS WHO PLAY FOR THEM NOW
    SCREW THE WICB


  30. here is what the greatest cricket sir garfield sober said about his motivation vs todays performers and their loyalty

    “I’ve always just played for the team, greatness isn’t something I ever looked for, it’s something which is achieved through your own performances.
    “But to know what the players are thinking*today) is difficult. With so much money in the 20/20 where does one’s loyalty lie? I just don’t know.
    “It then becomes difficult for players to adapt as it’s a completely different mentality, a whole different outlook and a whole different approach.”


  31. THE WICB HAD LLOYD WHO HAS THE STATUS OF MOSES, SIR RICHIE SIR AMBROSE ET AL IN INDIA

    DID THEY SEEK THE OPINION OF THESE MEN

    THE BOARD COULD HAVE BACK PEDALLED TO THE OLD POSITION AND THEN HAVE DISCUSSIONS WHEN THE PLAYERS RETURNED HOME

    IT ALWAYS MAKES ME LAUGH WHEN EMPLOYERS PLAY BIG FASHIONED AND THEN FIND THAT THEY HAVE MADE A BIG MISTAKE WITH THE WRONG FOLK


  32. India suspend tours of West Indies
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/29702554


  33. It is interesting all those years ago the 1972/75 tour to India signaled the arrival of a crop of players under Lloyd who would dominate cricket in a way the world is in wait to have emulated. It is ironic that the unprecedented action by West Indian players that has seen India retaliate by suspending future tours may yet see another signal moment in WI history.

    West Indies in India Nov 1974/Jan 1975 – Summary

    “The West Indies: Fifty years of Test Cricket” by Tony Cozier.
    (Excerpt) West Indies in India 1974-5

    Before it started, the WI tour of India, Sri Lanka and Pakistan
    in late 1974 and early 1975 was, quite reasonably, regarded as
    crucial to the development of a comparitively new crop of
    players. Not only was the assignment itself an exacting one, with
    seven tests in 4 1/2 months, but there was to be a new captain
    and vice captain in charge of a talented but generally inexperi-
    enced young contingent. Additionally, for the first time in 17
    years, the WI would be without their two most seasoned and
    succesful Test cricketers, Sobers and Kanhai.

    The results, at the end of it all, were highly encouraging. An
    enthralling series against India, was won 3-2, yet West Indian
    spirits, lifted more by the individual performances, not least
    the captain’s, and by the indisputable evidence that Lloyd had a
    team of enormous potential under him. There were some players
    whose statistical record was moderate, but not one of them could
    have considered the tour an embarrassment. In the Tests, all the
    specialist batsmen recorded centuries, and every bowler made his
    contribution.

    http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1970S/1974-75/WI_IN_IND/WI_IN_IND_1974-5_SUMMARY.html


  34. @David;
    –“It is interesting all those years ago the 1972/75 tour to India signaled the arrival of a crop of players under Lloyd who would dominate cricket in a way the world is in wait to have emulated…”

    Excellent comparison to the start in 1972. As you allude to, so then was a start to a tipping point under LLoyd; so too now initiates a tipping point again in India. This one foreboding and uncertain.

    Yes, how ironic that Clive Lloyd is present for both.


  35. The IPL chairman has said that West Indies’ players won’t face any ban from the tournament after they pulled out midway through their tour of India. The IPL governing council also announced that the next season of the IPL will be played between April 9 and May 24. The World Cup final is on March 29, giving players a 10-day gap between the two tournaments, which is more than the five-day break they got in 2011.

    “It depends upon them (West Indies players). If they want to play IPL they are welcome,” Ranjib Biswal, the IPL chairman, said in Hyderabad, where the BCCI’s emergency working committee met to discuss the fallout of West Indies pulling out of the India tour last week.

    On Monday one of the WICB directors told ESPNcricinfo that he would like the BCCI to ban the core group of the players, who were instrumental in West Indies aborting the India tour, permanently from the IPL. The director felt it was a “just measure” after the players had “embarrassed” the Caribbean and brought “collective shame” by deciding to leave the India tour mid-way.

    But Biswal said the issue of participation of West Indies players had not at all come up for discussion. One of the Biswal’s colleagues on the governing council reiterated the BCCI stance on not holding the players responsible for the debacle. “It is all because of the arrogance of the WICB such a thing has happened. The players cannot be blamed.”


  36. BCCI suspends all bilateral tours to West Indies
    The BCCI working committee has decided to suspend all bilateral tours to West Indies, in response to the visitors pulling out of their India tour. India were expected to play five series against West Indies in the next eight years, including four visits to the Caribbean.
    While a BCCI release made no specific mention of any claim for damages, the Indian board will also initiate legal proceedings against the West Indies Cricket Board.
    The board statement also did not mention any action against West Indies players who participate in the IPL. The players were unlikely to be suspended from participation in the league, with franchises backing them.
    The working committee meeting in Hyderabad was convened to discuss the aftermath of West Indies’ pullout. The members unanimously felt that strong action needed to be taken against WICB in order to prevent recurrence of such an event.


  37. We all feel your pain.

    The new ICC’s first giant test: saving West Indies cricket from implosion
    The West Indies Cricket Board is more concerned with appeasing India than repairing relations with its own players
    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/oct/21/the-spin-west-indies-cricket-dispute


  38. We must find a better way to resolve conflicts

    We must find a better way to resolve conflicts
    TUE, OCTOBER 21, 2014 – 12:38 PM

    THERE was once a lonely old man who lived in a very poor section of town. Every afternoon a group of youngsters went to that section to play, beat cans and drums and make a lot of noise. The old man hated the noise and soon came up with a plan to deal with the young men.

    One afternoon he went to meet them and told them how much he enjoyed the racket and looked forward to their visits. He then said, “Each time you come here to entertain me I will give you$20. Here is today’s payment.”

    The young men took the money and thought it was a good deal. The next day they returned and played with great gusto. The old man then went to them and said, “I only have $15 today but I will give you $25 tomorrow.”

    Next day he told them that he didn’t have time to go to the bank and could only give them $5 but promised to make up the deficit on the following day. Angered by what they suspected to be a broken promise, the players refused the money and told him they would not entertain him anymore for just $5. They left immediately and never went back, not realising that the old man had outsmarted.

    Does this story have any relevance to the current conflict in West Indies cricket?

    Dr Edward deBono, a world authority on lateral thinking stresses that a better way to resolve conflicts must be found. He feels that there is no more important matter for the future of the world than conflict resolution.

    In the last three weeks opposing sides have been involved in bitter arguments about who is right and who is wrong not realising that adversarial thinking intensifies conflict. It does not defuse it. As one side attacks the other side defends or counterattacks and tempers rise. Positions then become more rigid and the parties stop listening to each other.

    The drive to attack and defend precludes any creative or constructive thinking. Each side spends so much time attacking the other side that the credibility of both sides is damaged. To use this method of thinking as the first and only method for conflict resolution is a prescription for disaster. It is very difficult to solve a conflict with conflict thinking.

    Negotiating or bargaining is preferable to adversarial thinking but it too has weaknesses. Negotiation is about compromise in which each side gives up something and finishes up somewhere between two existing positions. In this type of thinking we restrict ourselves to what already exists; we work within boundaries that exist rather than designing new ones.

    Problem solving is better than adversarial thinking and compromise but it also has its limitations. In problem solving we analyse the problem, find the cause and put it right. But in complex human interactions there might be more than one cause. Identifying Wavell Hinds as the cause of the problem and removing him from his position might not solve the problem because there may be multiple causes, not just one. What happens if we can’t find a cause or if we find the cause but can’t remove it? What do we do then?

    According to Dr deBono, design thinking is the preferred method in conflict resolution. Design thinking is not about compromise or removing a problem. Argument, compromise and analysis are about the past, what is already there, while design thinking is about the future, what is to be created.

    In design thinking opposing parties articulate a clear purpose, goal or outcome and then tailor their skills and resources to fit that purpose. The exercise is all about purpose and fit and usually results in win/win outcomes.

    In resolving conflict we should start with the best, design thinking, because it is more productive. Problem solving should be next followed by negotiation which usually results in a fallback position. If these three approaches fail we might then have to go back to the fight method as a last resort. This is very different from starting the process in the fight mode.

    I wonder what course this conflict will now take and what impact WICB’s decision to cancel the remainder of the tour of India will have on West Indies cricket, the relationship between the cricket boards of India and West Indies, the relationship between the IPL and its West Indies players, the relationship with sponsors, and the relationship with TV broadcasters who stand to lose at least 15 days of Test match cricket. It will also be interesting to find out if the board’s decision was in fact unanimous and how much money will be lost as a result of that decision.

    Let’s keep our fingers crossed and hope that sanity and commonsense somehow find their way into the resolution of this conflict.

    • Rudi V. Webster is a noted sports psychologist and was manager of the West Indies team in the Kerry Packer days.


  39. WICB ‘embarassed’
    TUE, OCTOBER 21, 2014 – 6:45 PM

    THE WEST INDIES Cricket Board says it is deeply embarrassed by the “premature and unfortunate” end to the recent tour of India and will embark on a systematic review of the relevant events.

    Below is the full statement issued following today’s emergency meeting of the board of directors in Barbados.

    The West Indies Cricket Board regrets, and is deeply embarrassed by the premature and unfortunate end to the recent tour of India. The WICB once again expresses to the BCCI and all stakeholders – especially the cricket loving public of the West Indies and India – sorrow for the events leading up to this development.

    The Board of Directors of the WICB, today met to formally embark on the process of a careful and systematic review of relevant events and have, initially, decided as follows:

    1. to establish a Task Force, comprising critical stakeholders, to review the premature end of the tour to India. The Task Force will meet with all parties, including WIPA and the players, before reporting its findings to the Board of Directors.
    2. to request a meeting with the BCCI.

    3. to schedule an urgent debriefing with the West Indies Team Management Unit.

    4. to assure Cricket South Africa that it will use its best endeavours to ensure a successful tour of South Africa as scheduled.

    The WICB is mindful of the related decisions of the BCCI Working Committee.

    In light of the longstanding good relationship between WICB and BCCI, which goes back decades and has produced numerous mutual benefits, the WICB looks forward to meeting with the BCCI to discuss these decisions which can have serious implications for West Indies cricket.

    WICB believes that a way can be found to repair the damage that has been caused and to ensure that similar events do not recur, with the focus being on the betterment of West Indies and world cricket.

    The WICB thanks all stakeholders, particularly the ICC, BCCI, their broadcasters and sponsors for their patience and understanding in this matter and looks forward to the continuation of a strong relationship between our Boards.

    The WICB is committed to acting as expeditiously as the situation allows, and will provide further information to the public as soon as it is appropriate to do so.


  40. No use pointing fingers
    Added by Barbados Today on October 21, 2014.
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    Oh what a tangled web we weave!

    The West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) is in a crisis of unimaginable proportions, even peril, after dreaded confirmation came today of a strong backlash from peeved cricket authorities in India.

    In the wake of a controversial decision by players to abandon their tour of India at the end of the fourth One-Day International in Dharamsala on Friday, the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) is now contemplating a lawsuit to recoup losses estimated at $65 million for the cancellation of the last ODI, a lone Twenty20 International and three Test matches.

    And it gets worse, the WICB could be shut out of the powerful and lucrative cricket market for at least five years if international reports are true.

    As the rumblings surfaced last week, we looked on and appealed for good sense to prevail but it appears that egos won the battle and there will be big losers all around.

    It would be easy to point fingers at this stage and ask the players who insisted they could not continue because their pay packs were unacceptable, if their course of action was worth virtually destroying this Caribbean game that we all proudly love despite their repeated failings on the pitch.

    It would be easy to point fingers and ask the men in the middle who opted to pull stumps if they considered that the big pay packs they claim they were trying to preserve are virtually down the drain with the multi-million dollar lawsuit hanging in the dressing room of the already cash-strapped WICB.

    It would be easy to point fingers and ask our players if any consideration was given to fighting their battles in private, never ever in public and far less on the international scene, to avoid the embarrassment West Indies cricket which has long lost the glory days of Sobers, Worrell, Richards and Marshall, will suffer.

    It would be easy to point fingers and ask our boys whether there was no room for mediation with the very association they chose as their bargaining agent before calling it quits.

    It would be easy to point fingers at the WICB and ask if it made every overture to the West Indies Players Association (WIPA) and its disgruntled members to settle the pay dispute to avoid the current dilemma.

    It would be easy to point fingers at the WICB and WIPA and ask if they entertained an offer from Grenadian Prime Minister Dr Keith Mitchell to mediate the dispute.

    But what’s the use of pointing fingers? Urgent solutions must now be found to save West Indies cricket which will pay dearly for the failure of both sides to play by the rules.

    This disaster raises a cloud of uncertainty over upcoming international engagements, which include a tour of South Africa at the end of the year, followed by the World Cup in Australia and New Zealand in February and March.

    It could very well cause sponsors to rethink their massive sums of investment into the game that is fast losing ground to football, more favoured by the young.

    We implore both WIPA and the WICB to source the best negotiators in the region to broker a way out of this crisis, even as we pray that the damage is not irreparable.


  41. What wrong wid wunna. West Indies doing good, check this clip from earlier.


  42. When Ambrose and then Walsh left Windies, that was the beginning of the end.

    When Brian Lara left, all real class, apart from the indomitable Shiv, was gone.

    It is basically over.

    At least we have the old videos to watch and enjoy and reminisce.

    Should trun all the old cricket fields to soccer and athletic fields and put the monies in that instead.

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