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Alice Bailey (1880 -1949)
Alice Bailey:1880 -1949

While the church sleeps, the Devil is damaging souls with the current Babylonian system. Here is a strategy crafted by an occultist who died 65 years ago. Till today, the system she designed is still dragging people to Hell. Can Christianity and the modern Church develop a system to repair these damages and spread the Gospel to all the world as a witness? Let’s see what the NOW plans are:

THE STRATEGY:- The 10-Point Charter

PURPOSE:– To change Christian tradition or to redeem the nations of Christian tradition.

1. TAKE GOD AND PRAYER OUT OF THE EDUCATION SYSTEM
Change curriculum to ensure that children are freed from the bondage of Christian culture. Why? Because children go to school to be equipped to face life, they are willing to trust and they are willing to value what is being given to them.

If you take God out of education, they will unconsciously form a resolve that God is not necessary to face life. They will focus on those things the school counts them worthy to be passed on and they will look at God as an additional, if one can afford the additional.

N.B. Today they introduce Transcendental Meditation (TM) in schools which takes children to altered states of consciousness to meet with demons (spirit guides) = New Age.



2. REDUCE PARENTAL AUTHORITY OVER THE CHILDREN
Break the communication between parent and child (Why?). So that parents do not pass on their Christian traditions to their children, liberate children from the bondage of their parent traditions (how?)

a) Promote excessive child rights; (1997-1998 South Africa introduced Child rights legislation – UNICEF Charter; Today a child is able to say to parent ‘I do not want to hear that, I don’t want to do what you are telling me. Teachers cannot talk to children, children step up and say I have my rights, you cannot talk to me like that).

b) Abolish corporal punishment; (this has been made law). On the other hand the Bible says “Do not withhold correction from a child, for if you beat him with a rod, he will not die. You shall beat him with a rod and deliver his soul from hell.” (Proverbs 23: 13-14)

N.B. Jesus said in the last days – wickedness will increase, there will be rebellion and children will not obey their parents. It is not a trend, it is organized.

c) Teachers are the agents of implementation – from workshops, teachers tell children, “Your parent has no right to force you to pray or read the Bible, you are yourself, have a right of your own, you need to discover yourself, self-expression, self-realization, self-fulfilment are all buzz words.”

In the West when the child is 7 years, the teachers begin to say to the child “you have a right to choose whether you want to follow the faith of your parents or not, parents are not allowed to enforce their faith upon you.” Question is, what type of decision can a 7 year old make?

3. DESTROY THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN FAMILY STRUCTURE OR THE TRADITIONAL CHRISTIAN FAMILY STRUCTURE (Why?)
It is oppressive and that the family is the core of the nation. If you break the family, you break the nation. Liberate the people from the confines of this structure (How?)

a) Promote sexual promiscuity – free young people to the concept of premarital sex, let them have free sex, lift it so high that the joy of enjoying it (sex) is the highest joy in life, fantasize it, that everybody will feel proud to be seen to be sexually active, even those outside of marriage. This is contrary to the word of God which says “… But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints… for this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.” (Ephesians 5: 3-5)

b) Use advertising industry, media – T.V., magazines, film industry to promote sexual enjoyment as the highest pleasure in humanity. Have they succeeded? Have they done it? If you want to see whether they have succeeded or not, go to the advertising industry, it does everything to catch your attention and today almost no advert comes out without a sexual connotation. Even when they advertise ice cream, they must show you a thigh of a woman and a bikini, they must do something to set off a trail of thoughts. They will show you more thighs than ice cream. Why? Because, that is what must be in the minds of the people.
N.B. Advertising industry pops out so much money towards their advertisements to the T.V. and radio.

4. IF SEX IS FREE, THEN MAKE ABORTION LEGAL AND MAKE IT EASY
Build clinics for abortion – Health clinics in schools. If people are going to enjoy the joy of sexual relationships, they need to be free of unnecessary fears, in other words they should not be hampered with unwanted pregnancies.

‘Abortion as told by Christians is oppressive and denies our rights, we have a right to choose whether we want to have a child or not. If a woman does not want the pregnancy, she should have the freedom to get rid of that pregnancy painless and as easy as possible’. Today it is not only accessible, it is forced. Today abortion is a strategy to curb population control together with the use of condoms and ‘pill’.

5. MAKE DIVORCE EASY AND LEGAL, FREE PEOPLE FROM THE CONCEPT OF MARRIAGE FOR LIFE
Alice wrote over 65 years ago that love has got a mysterious link called the “love bond”. It is like an ovum that comes out of the ovary, as it travels through your system, it clicks a love favor in you and there’s one other person in the world who can respond to that love bond, when you see that person, everything within you clicks, that is your man/woman, if you miss him, you’ll never be happy until that love bond cycles past, for many years, so for you to be happy get that person at whatever cost, if it means getting him/her out of that marriage, get him/her that is your man/woman. It’s a mistake for him/her to be elsewhere. And if you go together for some time and find that love has died, don’t be held in bondage by the Christian values it will never come back, what you need is an easily arranged divorce and allow another love bond to come forth, just like an ovum comes up, and when it comes forth you’ll enjoy life again. On the contrary God’s word says in Malachi 2: 16; “For the Lord God of Israel says that He hates divorce…”

N.B. People enter into marriage having signed contracts of how they will share their things after divorce. People enter with one foot and another behind. In the past, divorce was unthinkable. It is one thing for a marriage to fail but it is another thing for people to enter marriage with an intention to enjoy as long as it was enjoyable and to walk out of it.

6. MAKE HOMOSEXUALITY AN ALTERNATIVE LIFESTYLE
Alice Bailey preached (over 65 years ago) that sexual enjoyment is the highest pleasure in humanity, no one must be denied and no one must be restricted how to enjoy themselves. People should be allowed in whichever way they chose they want, whether it is homosexuality or in incest or bestiality, as long as the two agree.

In the world today, so many laws have been made that promote homosexuality and give so much freedom to gay rights, that a time will come when it is illegal for a preacher to mention homosexuality as an abomination in the eyes of God, or to read scriptures publicly that talk about homosexuality. At the International scene, Western nations now sanction African countries that have resisted homosexuality, with threats of withdrawing foreign aid and investments. Today many churches marry gays/lesbians and ordain gay priests.
According to the Bible, this is an “ABOMINATION” before the eyes of God.

“Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.” (Leviticus 18:22) “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)

7. DEBASE ART, MAKE IT RUN MAD
How? Promote new forms of art which will corrupt and defile the imagination of people because art is the language of the spirit, that which is inside, you can bring out in painting, music, drama etc. Look at the quality of the music that is coming out, the films out of Hollywood.

8. USE MEDIA TO PROMOTE AND CHANGE MINDSET
The greatest channel you need to use to change human attitude is media. Use the press, the radio, T.V, cinema. You can tell today how successful they have been in implementing the plan over 65 years via media as well as advertising agencies, billboards, magazines. Who controls the media? (New Age). So much money is pumped into media and advertising spreading of pornographic material and other sources. Sex outside of marriage is thrown in your face 80-90 times than sex in marriage. Promiscuity is being promoted as natural, you watch gay sex on T.V. in homes where children’s minds are being neutralized to sensitivity to these things. You wonder why newspapers, T.V, etc do not record anything about Christian activities.

9. CREATE AN INTERFAITH MOVEMENT
Promote other faiths to be at par with Christianity, and break this thing about Christianity as being the only way to Heaven, by that Christianity will be pulled down and other “faiths” promoted. She said promote the importance of man in determining his own future and destiny – HUMANISM. She said tell man he has the right to choose what he wants to be and he can make it happen, he has the right to determine his cause – this takes God off His Throne. Interfaith movements are rising everywhere in the world today.

10. GET GOVERNMENTS TO MAKE ALL THESE LAW AND GET THE CHURCH TO ENDORSE THESE CHANGES
The church must change its doctrine and accommodate the people by accepting these things and put them into its structures and systems. Have they succeeded?
Today you wonder why our governments are legislating laws contrary to the Bible and why the church is compromising the Word of God. It is a process of implementing The Plan – A 50 year strategy of the New Age Movement to fulfil its ultimate goal to establish a One World Government, a One World Economic system and a One World Religion.Today the strategy almost in its entirety has been adopted by the United Nations and today a lot of it is already law in many nations. This deception has crept up unobserved on so many people. It can best be demonstrated through the well-known analogy of the frog in the pot of water. If you put a frog in a pot of boiling water, it is smart enough to know that it is in terrible danger and will immediately jump out to safety. But if you turn up the heat very slowly, a little at a time, it doesn’t notice the changes that are taking place and will slowly cook to death. Many people today are slowly cooking to death and don’t seem to realize how far they have come from where they once were.

Today the Western World is not struggling to resist these because the New Age Movement focused primarily on the West because that was the Christian world in the 19th century. The New Age Movement has a school called the Akanni School, which is the school of all the leaders of the Western world. They subscribe to it. It is recorded that they say they have succeeded the task in the West but suddenly they realize Christianity has migrated to the rest of the world, so they have now to use every resource in the West to deal with the rest of the world. In Africa, South Africa is the number one state, it is changing at such a rapid speed. They are saying give to African States a financial package with conditions to: Legalize abortion & Take God and prayer out of school.

Governments are so attracted to this package, they can’t say no to it, they need the money, and they ask the church to find an answer. These are done secretly. Christianity is 5%, the rest is Hinduism, Buddhism, and Spiritism. New Age is being taught to teachers, they are being taught to teach this in schools.

It is interesting to note that Blavatsky, Besant and Alice Bailey (1880 -1949) were well known Masonic leaders of the day. Albert Pike referred to Freemasonry as the ‘custodian’ or special guardian of these occult secrets and revealed the hidden agenda of his institution, the forming of a Luciferian One World Government.

Watch and pray!

140 responses to “A 10-Point Plan by Alice Bailey – New World Order for the DESTRUCTION of CHRISTIANITY and the Establishment of Secular Humanism”


  1. DOES NOT GOVERNMENTS, PHILOSOPHERS, WISE MEN AND SAGES DO THE SAME

    1 TIM 410 TEACHES THAT CHRIST IS SUFFICIENT FOR ALL
    BUT EFFICIENT ONLY FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE

    For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.


  2. @ Vincent Haynes
    The majority of mankind needs a crutch…..religion/belief system offers that.

    The majority of mankind needs many crutches….. Like air to breath, water to drink, sunshine, sleep, belonging…..and as you say, a belief system.

    Perhaps it is a consequence of design.

    Perhaps it is the methodology applied by whatever higher intelligence has been behind the conceptualization of the experience we have come to know as life on earth, to focus our attention in areas of real import.

    You are no fool…. You must know that just because you may not understand the applicability of Gauss-Seidel’s method of solving multiple simultaneous equations does not in itself, make those who do retards……

    Indeed the reality may be diametrically opposite 🙂


  3. Bush Tea | 10/01/2014 at 11:59 am |

    @ Vincent Haynes
    The majority of mankind needs a crutch…..religion/belief system offers that.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It’s called HOPE!!


  4. @BT….Chuckle…..To each his/her/it own

    @John……Why do we need/desire HOPE….to what end???


  5. HEBREWS 6: 18&19
    That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

    Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;


  6. It is NOT hope….hope is blind wishful thinking….you ‘hope’ to win the LOTTO

    It is called FAITH…..or VISION…
    Where there is none……. 🙂
    Those without it are sure to perish. …ya mean everyone does not know that ANY kind of success B E G I N S with vision (faith)…?


  7. Here is a puzzle.

    How come there are Bajans who don’t know about Hope when there are places called Hope all over Barbados?

    Hope Plantation in Christ Church and St. Lucy
    Strong Hope in St. Thomas
    Small Hope in St. Peter and St. John
    In Hope in St. James

    Where did these names come from?

    Can you add any more?

    Perhaps there were actually Bajans a long time ago who understood and lived in hope!!

    Perhaps evolution works backwards in Barbados!!


  8. Jesus H. Christ on a unicorn, Dr. Porgie. Your arguments, if they even merit the description “arguments”, are a futile exercise in self-generating circularity. It’s an endless feedback-loop of pointlessness.

    It’s as if somebody read “Alice in Wonderland” and said to you, “well, I don’t really believe that someone could follow a rabbit down a rabbit hole, and then arrive in a place populated by a talking caterpillar, a gryphon, a mock turtle and a very weird hatter.”

    At which point you pull out a copy of “Alice in Wonderland” and start quoting from it at length. “See? It’s all here, written down in this book. It must be true.”

    At which point your interlocutor says, “see, that’s what I’m saying. I don’t think there really is a gryphon down a rabbit hole that anyone can get into.”

    So you brandish your battered copy of “Alice in Wonderland” and start quoting from it at length, as if that makes any kind of point or any kind of sense.

    Look, man. You can believe in whatever kind of nonsense you want. But keep it to yourself, OK? Keep it within the family or within whichever tribal gathering you have to attend regularly for your recommended weekly allowance of myth-based ritual. Doesn’t bother me at all. But the very second that your belief system spurs your idiot fellow-travelers to refer to any other human being as an “abomination” (just as one tiny example), then we’re going to need to have a very serious conversation.

    I am my brother’s keeper. The best thing ever written. And your Book doesn’t even offer it as an assertion, merely as a question. But, even in its context in your Book, the answer is obviously supposed to be yes. I am my brother’s keeper. Your Book got its one, unassailable truth out of the way within the first ten pages. It was all downhill after that, especially all that Leviticus bollocks.


  9. BT
    THE WORD TRANSLATED “HOPE” IN THE KJV IS BETTER TRANSLATED ASSURANCE. IT HAS NOTHING WITH THE WORD AS WE USE IT. I HOPE TO SEE YOU AT THE RACES. I HOPE MY WIFE COOKS ME A LOVELY DINNER ETC

    WONDER WHY WE SING BLESSED ASSURANCE

    Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

    Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
    TITUS 2: 13-14


  10. And that eternal and peerless fount of seasoned wisdom “Bush Tea” intervenes:

    “Perhaps it is a consequence of design. Perhaps it is the methodology applied by whatever higher intelligence has been behind the conceptualization of the experience we have come to know as life on earth.”

    It would be interesting to do a search on BU archives for the term “begs the question”. I’d guess it’s been used about a million times on BU, and I’d guess that it was used wrongly about, say, a million times. It doesn’t mean the same as “raises the question”.

    Here, peerless and seasoned sage “Bush Tea” provides a perfect example of what it really means to “beg the question”. He indicates a question with his “perhaps”, but in its own assertion the question assumes a conclusion that has not been demonstrated. It assumes itself to be true, and proceeds from there. This is a logical fallacy that marks much of the circular reasoning affecting those beset by religious faith. “Dr.” Porgie is probably the most prominent exponent of this kind of circular reasoning on BU.

    But we wish “Bush Tea” and “Dr. Porgie well, just as long as they keep this bollocks to themselves and don’t start referring to any of my brethren as “abominations”. That’s the kind of thinking that leads to the Middle Passage, and to Sobibor, and to Sabra and Shatila.

  11. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @Jack Bowman | 10/01/2014 at 6:35 pm |

    We are glad to see you have learned (or is it learnt like “fount” instead of font?) your lesson of the need to focus on critici(s)ing the nonsense passing for intellectual food instead of ‘nit-picking’ (to be questioned by some) for grammatical perfection.
    You have now gained a passing grade and can be promoted.
    Keep it up, Jack!


  12. The Secret

    The Secret
    One day, one friend asked another,
    ‘ How is it that you are always so happy?
    You have so much energy,
    And you never seem to get down.. ‘

    With her eyes smiling, she said,
    ‘ I know the Secret! ‘
    ‘ What secret is that? ‘
    To which she replied,
    I’ll tell you all about it,
    But you have to promise to
    Share the Secret with others. ‘

    ‘ The Secret is this:
    I have learned there is little I can do
    In my life that will make me truly happy
    I must depend on God to make
    Me happy and to meet my needs.
    When a need arises in my life,
    I have to trust God to supply
    According to HIS riches.
    I have learned most of the time
    I don ‘ t need half of what I think I do.
    He has never let me down.
    Since I learned that ‘ Secret ‘ , I am happy.’

    The questioner ‘ s first thought was,
    ‘ That ‘ s too simple! ‘
    But upon reflecting over her own life
    She recalled how she thought a bigger house
    Would make her happy, but it didn’t!
    She thought a better paying job
    Would make her happy, but it hadn’t..
    When did she realize her greatest happiness?
    Sitting on the floor with her grandchildren,
    Playing games, eating pizza or reading a story,
    A simple gift from God.

    Now you know it too!
    We can’t depend on people to make us happy.
    Only GOD in His infinite wisdom can do that.
    Trust HIM!
    And now I pass the Secret on to you!
    So once you get it, what will you do?

    YOU have to tell someone the Secret, too!
    That GOD in His wisdom will take care of YOU!
    But it ‘ s not really a secret…
    We just have to believe it and do it…
    Really trust God!

    I just did and hope you will too.


  13. That’s the kind of thinking that leads to the Middle Passage, and to Sobibor, and to Sabra and Shatila.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So tell me again how following the teachings of the Bible and believing in its truth lead to these abominations?

    I must have missed something in my reading of history!!


  14. What truths are u speaking of sir. like the fable of an oldman called Noah build an ark .that sailed a flooded world forty days and forty nights with an inhabitation of every creature on earth…or the one where a “whale swallowed a human being and deposited him on the sea shore. or where jesus walk on water……can u explain these truths or does one have to use “vision” or faith” to understand……


  15. @ GP
    There are bound to be issues when we use words that clearly do not convey the intended meaning after translation.
    No doubt you are aware that the Holy Spirit is variously given the pronoun ‘he’, ‘it’,’ itself’ – depending on the mood of the translator.

    On the subject of the blog, however, the writer is of course exactly correct, in that coordinated, high level steps have been in place for some time now, to undermine the fundamental spiritual foundations that underpin true success in life across our world.
    It is also true that in the last 25 years or so, such undermining has been accelerated – largely as outlined above.

    How else can it be intelligently explained how, at a time of unprecedented education. knowledge, communication technology, science, medical advances, wealth, transport, …..our world is beset with failures of frightening magnitudes and people everywhere are worried, stressed, unhappy to the point of wishing for the “good old days” (when science was less advanced and things were much harder)…?

    There is a way that SEEMS right to ordinary bowls, but the end thereof is the way of death. We cannot expect simpletons to be able to decipher these things that “seem right” – but which have been surely leading us to our collective demise….

    LOL ….so you are excused Islandgal 🙂


  16. Truth OBTAINS when reality IS* the WAY* a proposition represents it to be!

    The structure of JUSTIFICATION, in defending any propositional TRUTH CLAIM, IS* coherence, coherence IS* our sole criterion for establishing TRUTH!

    The Historic Judeo/christian World View, is the ONLY religious World View that is systematically validated by:

    1) Logically Consistency
    2) Empirical Adequacy
    3) Experiential Relevancy

    Secondly, and intricately connected to the above criteria for validity, every system must demonstrate deal with and answer to, the following questions:

    1) Origin of Life
    2) Meaning of Life
    3) Morality
    4) Destiny

    Again, the theistic Christian World view, is the ONLY one that convincingly demonstrates and sustains to, the above questions, unparalleled with any other religious World view.

    Coherence is found throughout God’s Word, the Bible, confirmed by the empirical evidence, throughput the course of human history.

    It has NEVER failed to be accurate in its prophetic pronouncements, from the Old Testament era, right through to the New Testament, right UP UNTIL the very time period we are living in right NOW!

    Only Scoffers, mockers, and intellectually dishonest people, use ignorant ‘Red-herring’ distractive rhetoric, because they CANNOT* refute the FACTS and EVIDENCE, they have NONE!


  17. THE ISSUES OUTLINED IN THE TOPIC OF THE BLOG AND THE REASONS THEREFORE ARE CLEARLY SEEN ALL AROUND US

    It is OBVIOUSLY true that in the last 25 years or so, such undermining has been accelerated – largely as outlined above.


  18. If religion was co-opted to manipulate armies in medieval times is it not reasonable to believe that the same manipulation has continued through the ages?


  19. Chuckle…..BT….I cannot believe a fellow Cawmerian wrote what you just wrote…..


  20. doesn;t “truth regulate facts and the Truth is that some stoties in the ‘Good ole Book” failed the truth test miserably given all the sound empirical scientific knoweldge and evidence available ……. stories such as ‘Noahs ark surviving a world flood and a man living in the belly of a whale one can correctly assumed are untruth,,, ,,,


  21. David | 10/01/2014 at 9:39 pm |
    If religion was co-opted to manipulate armies in medieval times is it not reasonable to believe that the same manipulation has continued through the ages?
    OF COURSE DAVID
    WE HAVE THE SAME DEVIL AROUND NOW AS BACK THEN

    We read in 2 Corinthians 4:4 …….In whom the god of this world [i.e Satan]hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


  22. @ David
    ..and why would religion NOT have been used (and continue to be used) in war?
    Don’t we use our best leaders in war?
    Don’t we use our best brains?
    Don’t we put our best resources in war?

    Why does the fact that something was put to bad use suggest that it is flawed? Most of the advanced science that we know was CREATED for war….

    @ Vincent
    …who is this “fellow Cawmerian” of whom you speak…? …and to what do you refer that was written…?

    @ Zoe
    HUH?

    @ ac
    Hush do! 🙂


  23. This link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReYWySG8Mcs is worth watching.

    It is a documentary on the first translation of the New Testament from Greek to English in 1526 and its first appearance in England.


  24. Out of HOPE springs Content.

    To help with the puzzle I set, see how many instances of place names in Barbados exist called CONTENT.


  25. BT…..I recall you admonishing Alvin to hush(which I agreed with) as a fellow Cawmerian….so are you one or not?

    John….If one starts with a false premise,ones entire argument will be flawed.


  26. Guess what Americans are doing MORE now that they have to spend more times indoors because of the cold weather.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/pornhub-milks-its-own-traffic-data-2014-1


  27. Out of HOPE springs CONTENT leading to HARMONY and FRIENDSHIP among people.

    Its all to do with the Golden Rule.

    http://jcb.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/detail/JCBMAPS~1~1~3985~102063:C-7505

    Use the above map of Barbados for 1827 and you should be able to complete the puzzle!!

    Once you understand, ask yourself why there are so many place names in Barbados in which the word ROCK is used!!

    Vincent, try the puzzle and see if there is not a preponderance of evidence!!


  28. reward has played a dominant role in people behaviour and so it is too with the church and the christian mind……challenge and reward goes hand in hand with great effectiveness so is it too with those in the church whose objective is to have eternal life as the ultimate reward… what if that promised was not made the probabilty that few would attend church is real.


  29. ac | 12/01/2014 at 12:03 am |

    reward has played a dominant role in people behaviour and so it is too with the church and the christian mind……challenge and reward goes hand in hand with great effectiveness so is it too with those in the church whose objective is to have eternal life as the ultimate reward… what if that promised was not made the probabilty that few would attend church is real.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Believe it or not, these Bajans who stamped their beliefs on the landscape of Barbados through place names that exemplified those beliefs, did not go to Church …. at least not the Anglican Church!!

    The mortal remains of many of these Bajans can be found all over Barbados, buried in fields and on hills, …. none of these burials even remotely connected with the Anglican Church.

    Some were buried in the Churchyard.

    It isn’t the Church that offers the reward of eternal life ….. it is God’s grace at play …. and it isn’t a reward, it is a free gift … what could we do to deserve such a free gift?

    Anyone, church member or not can avail himself/herself of this free gift.


  30. the plan of GOD was for ‘Eternal life” could it not be an Eternal life being one with GOD Spirtually one that is spiritually rewarding and fulfilling forever ……death can defeat the physical but cannot defeat the Spirtual…….or can it……the church has focus much HOPE on physical or reincarnation of the body ,,,,,,but seems to place little emphasis on the spiritual reward of having eternal life,,,,,whereby the eternal spirit breathes new life into or mortal souls after the body succumbs to death….,


  31. LOL @ Vincent
    So when you said you can’t believe “a fellow Cawmerian wrote what Bushie wrote” …you actually meant that you can’t believe that Bushie, as a fellow Cawmerian wrote what he wrote …..(and NOT that some fellow Cawmerian ??? ALSO wrote what Bushie wrote…)
    LOL gotcha!!
    BTW
    Where did you dig up that Alvin evidence? Despite many extensive connections, Bushie has been at pains to neither confirm or deny any membership of your illustrious alma mata….. Perhaps a spiritual fellowship was intended with Alvin… LOL Ha Ha


  32. The church needs to remove itself from the physical …a physical that have not as yet been able to deliver anything worthwhile or longstanding and focus on the restoration of the inner man that dwell within us… the spirtual man one that can only have eternal life……


  33. Spirituality which is how humans connect interact with our space has nothing to do with what the Church teaches neither is it equipped to do so. The Church is an exponent of a dogma which is faith based.


  34. David i can tell that u never went to church……man is connected physical and spirutual..the church.s role is to plant and implement sufficient food in the spirtual. however the church has become disconnect from the spiritual in its effort to please the physical .


  35. If you say so ac, first of all you need to define ‘went to church’.


  36. David | 12/01/2014 at 12:14 pm |
    re The Church is an exponent of a dogma which is faith based.
    actually the church ought not to be holding on to any DOGMA BUT TO TEACHING DOCTRINE AS TAUGHT IN THE EPISTLES TO TIMOTHY


  37. However whtaever the church is teaching it is evident that it.s teaching is not sufficiently structed in teaching man the necessity of obtaining eternal life is rooted in the foundation of a spiritual and rewarding life…. and not found in a pie in the sky mentality


  38. DAVID
    YOU WILL NOTE THAT THE EARLY CHURCH—–NOT THE SEVERAL BREAKAWAY DENOMINATIONS PUT A GREAT EMPHASIS ON DOCTRINE AS PARTICULARLY EMPHASIZED IN THE PASTORAL EPISTLES TO TIMOTHY AND TITUS
    • Acts 2:42 KJV
    And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

    • 1 Timothy 1:3 KJV
    As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine ,
    • 1 Timothy 1:10 KJV
    For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
    • 1 Timothy 4:6 KJV
    If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained .
    • 1 Timothy 4:13 KJV
    Till I come , give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
    • 1 Timothy 4:16 KJV
    Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
    • 1 Timothy 5:17 KJV
    Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
    • 1 Timothy 6:1 KJV
    Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed .
    • 1 Timothy 6:3 KJV
    If any man teach otherwise , and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
    • 2 Timothy 3:10 KJV
    But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

    • 2 Timothy 3:16 KJV
    All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
    • 2 Timothy 4:2 KJV
    Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove , rebuke , exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
    • 2 Timothy 4:3 KJV
    For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
    • Titus 1:9 KJV
    Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers .
    • Titus 2:1 KJV
    But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

    • Titus 2:7 KJV
    In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,

    • Titus 2:10 KJV
    Not purloining , but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.

    THE CHURCH WAS TO START OF WITH THE DOCTRINE USING IT TO HELP THEM TO GROW THIER FAITH—–THE MAIN TEACHING OF HEBREWS
    • Hebrews 6:1 KJV
    Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

    THE PROBLEM WITH MOST CHURCH GROUPS TODAY IS THE EMPHASIS ON PROMOTING THEIR DOGMA AT THE EXPENSE OF DOCTRINE


  39. John…
    Evidence of what????
    I re-iterate if ones premise is false,ones dissertation has to be flawed.

    BT….
    Research it……I rest my case…..QED

    David…
    I believe you are referring to becoming at one with Mother Earth.

    Continuous quoting from a book does not not make it a fact,unless the book is verified and no historical narrative can be 100% proven.


  40. Why would any one want eternal life?


  41. @GP

    Not understanding why you are stressing doctrine over dogma. Isn’t dogma not defined as a collection of doctrines?

    The point being made to ac is that religious based spirituality should not be confused with a general spirituality which any individual can find, religious of not. Of course this point will not be grasped


  42. MR HAYNES
    ARE SKAKESPEARES WRITINGS VERIFIED?


  43. David | 12/01/2014 at 1:14 pm |
    @GP

    Not understanding why you are stressing doctrine over dogma. Isn’t dogma not defined as a collection of doctrines?

    DOCTRINE IS TEACHING HANDED DOWN BY JESUS TO THE APOSTLES AND THEREON AS DESCRIBED IN THE NT- MAINLY THE EPISTLES

    DOGMA IS OPINIONS HELD BY A PARTICULAR GROUP. SUCH OPINIONS ARE USUALLY IN SHARP CONTRAST TO THE DOCTRINE

    E.G FORCING FOLK TO WORSHIP ON SATURDAYS
    PROSPERITY GOSPEL BASED ON TOTAL MISINTERPRETATION OF 3 JOHN 1-3 ETC

    DOGMA IS NOT DOCTRINE AT ALL!
    DOGMA IS THE CAUSE OF THE CONFUSION IN THE PROFESSING CHURCH AND THE REASON FOR THE SEVERAL DENOMINATIONS

    DOGMA HAS AT ITS AUTHOR AND EPICENTER THE DEVIL


  44. @ GP
    Lol…man don’t make sport….
    You mean, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, dogma is…..and doctrine is… Etc

    Wuh obviously David is right that every religious group has its own version of doctrines that represents its dogma.
    LOL
    For example you and Zoe persists with this ridiculous doctrine that God is some “trinity”….a nonsense whose origin is well documented and whose influence on the unknowing has been devastating.
    Don’t you think that Jesus would have known better than to hand down such a stupid doctrine…?

    @ Vincent
    Bushie watching you with deep suspicion yuh….
    “Why would anyone want eternal life?” Is a VERY reasonable question indeed….
    One wonders how GP’s doctrines would address such a question…. 🙂


  45. BT…
    I hope your BBE not into this eternal life thing,because you would have serious probs using your weedwacker with all those people like GP in your way more people than grass,unless that is the plan to keep wacking them for eternity…..lol.


  46. @ actually Vincent, (and only because you raised the issue 🙂 ) in absolute terms, the phrase “eternal life” is tautology.
    In fact, this limited existence that you (we) call “life” is nothing but a temporary project, designed for a VERY SPECIFIC purpose, and which has been loosely modeled on a MUCH MORE MEANINGFUL reality.

    LOL
    If by eternal life we meant more of the same of this shitty existence few persons (and no intelligent ones) would have any interest in more than 100 or so years of such “life” …at the very most….

    On the other hand, if you had ANY IDEA of what REAL LIFE entailed, you would happily “die” for the opportunity… LOL Ha Ha…


  47. BT AND VINCENT
    YOU TWO CAN CARRY ON
    IM OUTA HERE
    BYE


  48. The difference between dogma and doctrine is apparent in the clip about the translation of the New Testament in 1526 by Tindale.

    Tindale followed Martin Luther’s lead and read the Bible in its original language so he could get at the doctrine.

    He gave us a translation which anyone can read and get at the doctrine for themselves.

    It conflicted with the dogma of the Roman Catholic church which rewarded him for his efforts by burning him at the stake.

    …… but, he grasped the doctrine from his own efforts and believed.

    This link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReYWySG8Mcs is worth watching about Tindale.

    By now somebody should have twigged that the people who left their mark indelibly on the landscape of Barbados were the Quakers.

    This is one of the many non-conformist groups that arose in England once the Bible became available to anyone in England in English after 1526.

    It took time, in the case of the Quakers, until 1648.

    The very thing the Roman Catholic church feared and for which Tindale was burnt at the stake by the church came to pass.

    More and more people read the Bible and formed their own interpretation of the doctrine. They no longer relied on the church.

    The Roman Catholic and Anglican churches that were based on dogma fought tooth and nail to stop the spread of the doctrine …. but they never had a chance.

    No longer was eternal life viewed as a dispensation of the church.

    It takes a little reading and viewing of history to appreciate the difference between dogma and doctrine.

    The historical evidence is there if we care to look, in our case in Barbados, right under our very noses.

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