Urgent notice do read and repost: Did you or any one you know attend the Roebuck Secondary also known as Louis Lynch Secondary? Do you know of anyone who died from cancer,suffering an endocrine disease or any mysterious illness who went to the aforementioned school? Please call the Future Centre Trust at 6252020 and leave…
Urgent notice do read and repost:
Did you or any one you know attend the Roebuck Secondary also known as Louis Lynch Secondary? Do you know of anyone who died from cancer,suffering an endocrine disease or any mysterious illness who went to the aforementioned school? Please call the Future Centre Trust at 6252020 and leave your details.
ER
Can you give us your symptoms?
Could possibly have MENS?
U mean multiple endocrine neoplasia,
ER
Georgie Porgie, haven’t slightest idea what you’re talking about. He was doctor when dinosaurs traversed the hill of Barbados during the Mesozoic period. And why would you trust the medical advice of a man who hided behind the alias Georgie Porgie? He is one of those characters who is made for the laughs, with his big claims of attending medical and teaching online courses. Lol
Idiots focus on people, sensible people tackle the issues.
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Barbados Underground wrote:
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David, Barbados is full with the highest number of jackasses per capita in the world.
I would like to think that this is an opportunity for genuine others to share their concerns about the issue at hand. I would reccommend all others to log onto FB to make the light-hearted banter they feel they need to make here…..honestly. Just saying.
Macbeth:
If you are in Barbados, it does look good for you either!!
ER | May 22, 2014 at 11:30 PM |
U mean multiple endocrine neoplasia,
YES
David wrote “Idiots focus on people, sensible people tackle the issues.”.
GEORGIE PORGIE THE INTELLIGENT BLOGGERS ON BU APPRECIATE YOUR GENEROSITY IN SHARING YOUR MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE WITH US.
Thanks Hants
Hants
It would be interesting to ascertion the criteria in which you’re utilizing to determine those who are intelligent and those who are not? I would hazard a guess that your definition of intelligence is confined to the select few who adheres to a certain worldview?
Symptoms of Multiple Endocrine Neoplasia
According to the National Cancer Institute, around 1 in 30,000 people are affected with each of the two major types of multiple endocrine neoplasia.
Multiple Endocrine Neoplasia Type 1
MEN1 tumors may result in the overproduction of hormones in your body. When specific tumors form in specific endocrine glands, those glands often make too much hormones, which may cause the following:
• Parathyroid gland – hyperparathyroidism and hypercalcemia
• Pituitary – oligomenorrhea/amenorrhea and galactorrhea (females) or sexual dysfunction (males)
• Gastrointestinal tract
o Gastrinoma – Zollinger-Ellison syndrome (upper abdominal pain, diarrhea, esophageal reflux, acid-peptic ulcers)
o Insulinoma – hypoglycemia
o Glucagonoma – hyperglycemia, anorexia, glossitis, anemia, diarrhea, venous thrombosis, skin rash
o VIPoma – watery diarrhea, hypokalemia, achlorhydria syndrome (lack of hydrochloric acid in the stomach)
• Carcinoid
o Diarrhea
o Facial flushing
o Wheezing
• Adrenocortical – hypercortisolism (Cushing’s syndrome due to adrenal tumor) or hyperaldosteronism
MEN1 also may cause the following non-endocrine tumors:
• Facial angiofibromas – benign blood vessel/connective tissue tumor
• Collagenomas – cutaneous nodule
• Lipomas – benign fatty tissue tumor
• Meningiomas – benign brain tumor
• Ependymomas – malignant tumor of the central nervous system
• Leiomyomas – benign smooth muscle tumor
Multiple Endocrine Neoplasia Type 2
In most cases, patients with MEN2 develop medullary thyroid carcinoma (MTC). Signs or symptoms of MTC include:
• Mass or lump in the neck
• Goiter (enlarged thyroid)
• Diarrhea
Around half of patients with MEN2A and MEN2B develop pheochromocytomas; about a third develop primary hyperparathyroidism.
A subset of patients with MEN2A may also develop:
• Hirschsprung disease
• Pruritic cutaneous lichen amyloidosis
In many cases, patients with MEN2B will develop the following symptoms:
• Neuromas and/or ganglioneuromatosis of gastric system
• Reduced upper/lower body ratio
• Marfanoid habitus
• Enlarged lips/bumpy tongue
• Skeletal abnormalities
• Joint laxity
LOL
Hants….one criteria could be that someone who went by the initials MF, …and was advised that this characterized his contributions ….and who then turned around and chose the name “DOMPEY” …..as in Dopey, dunce, donkey……DEFINITELY does not qualify to be considered intelligent….
@Bushie maybe he is brighter than all of us and just pretending to be intellectually challenged. rotflmrao.
What is the New York State Department of Health’s New Guideline of PERC in Air?
After consideration of the potential health effects of PERC, background levels of PERC in air, and analytical techniques (the ability and reliability of methods to measure PERC in air), NYSDOH recommends that the average air level not exceed 30 mcg/m3. This determination considered continuous, lifetime exposure and sensitive people. Three other ways of expressing the new guideline are 0.03 milligrams per cubic meter of air (0.03 mg/m3), 4.4 parts per billion (ppb) or 0.0044 parts per million (ppm). This replaces the old guideline of 100 mcg/m3.
An air guideline of 30 mcg/m3 is below the PERC air levels known to cause noncancer effects, including developmental and reproductive effects, in humans and animals, and should be protective against those effects. It is lower than the USEPA’s (2012) reference concentration (RfC)4 for PERC of 40 mcg/m3. The estimated excess cancer risk associated with lifetime, continuous exposure to 30 mcg/m3 is about one-in-one-hundred thousand. Decisions about whether to take actions to further reduce exposure are generally made on a case-by-case basis at this level of risk.
However, NYSDOH recommends that reasonable and practical actions should be taken to reduce PERC exposure whenever air levels are above background. The purpose of the guideline is to help guide decisions about the urgency of the actions to reduce PERC exposure. The urgency to initiate these actions and to determine, in a timely manner, whether they have reduced exposure, increases with indoor air levels, particularly when air levels are above the guideline.
Indoor air levels substantially above the guideline indicate a significant PERC source and may require more immediate remedial action. NYSDOH has concerns about lengthy exposure (months to years) to air levels higher than 300 mcg/m3 because the results of a recent NYSDOH study suggested that indoor air PERC levels in apartments (median value of 340 mcg/m3) may have subtle effects on the nervous system (vision function ) of children (NYSDOH, 2010). Thus, NYSDOH recommends taking immediate and effective action to reduce exposure when an air level is equal to or above 300 mcg/m3. In all cases, the specific corrective actions to be taken depend on a case-by-case evaluation of the situation. The goal of the recommended actions is to reduce PERC levels in indoor air to as close to background as practical.
Why Did the Health Department Reduce the Guideline for PERC in Air from 100 mcg/m3 to 30 mcg/m3?
The guideline of 100 mcg/m3 was issued in 1997 and was based on the toxicological data available at the time. Since then, many new toxicity studies have been published and the USEPA has completed a comprehensive, state-of-the-science, peer-reviewed risk assessment of PERC. Based on the risk assessment, the USEPA recommended values for evaluating the potential for noncancer and cancer effects from exposure to PERC in air [a RfC (40 mcg/m3) and an air level (4 mcg/m3) associated with an estimated excess cancer risk of one-in-one million, assuming continuous, lifetime exposure]. NYSDOH staff reviewed the USEPA risk assessment and determined that the recommended values are scientifically robust and should replace the values derived in 1997. The USEPA publication of its RfC (40 mcg/m3) necessitated a re-evaluation of the health-protectiveness of the old NYSDOH guideline (100 mcg/m3) because it has been the past practice of NYSDOH to set guidelines at air levels that are equal to or less than a RfC. Consequently, the guideline was reduced to 30 mcg/m3 after consideration of new toxicity data (e.g., NYSDOH, 2010) and the USEPA risk assessment.
Is There a Test to Determine Whether I Have Been Exposed to PERC?
PERC levels can be measured in the breath for weeks following a high exposure to PERC because it is stored in body fat and is slowly released into the bloodstream and then exhaled in the breath. PERC can be measured in blood. Also, breakdown products of PERC can be detected in the blood and urine for several days after exposure to PERC. Because exposure to other chemicals can produce the same breakdown products in the urine and blood as PERC, the tests for breakdown products cannot determine if you have been exposed only to PERC. Although the tests can show if PERC levels in the body are elevated compared to background levels, they cannot conclusively determine when and for how long a person was exposed, what the source of that exposure was, or whether or not the person will develop adverse health effects.
Has the federal government made recommendations to protect human health?
The EPA maximum contaminant level for the amount of tetrachloroethylene that can be in drinking water is 0.005 milligrams tetrachloroethylene per liter of water (0.005 mg/L).
The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has set a limit of 100 ppm for an 8-hour workday over a 40-hour workweek.
The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) recommends that tetrachloroethylene be handled as a potential carcinogen and recommends that levels in workplace air should be as low as possible.
Bush Tea
How does one determining whether or not someone is intelligent? Listen! In theory and practice, I have an extensive understanding of the Military environment in comparison to you, so in this respect, my intelligence and understanding of the subject far outmatched yours. If I ask you what are the Military Rules of Engagement? And how are they applied in the combat -theater? What would be your response without googling it? I quite sure you’ll piss your pant because you haven’t a clue? The conventional definition of intelligence, is the faculty of knowing and reasoning. You openmouthed imbecile; Georgie Porgie is retarded but he knows this.
I hope BU remembers that the laundry at fault was owned at the time by Goddards and not by Terrific Tiles family. Let the class action suit begin!!
Bush Tea
For your information and in my estimation: an intelligent person is essentially, a well a rounded individual, who is a jack of all trades but a master of none. And I only know of one person who confabulates on the BU blog, that fits this description.
Bajan Yankee | May 25, 2014 at 7:25 AM |
It seems that the carcinogen PERC has been involved in the cause of the diseases afflicting the ex Louis Lync students.
The fact that not all the students are afflicted might probably be explained by Knudson’s two-hit” hypothesis of oncogenesis which seeks to explain the inherited and sporadic occurrence of an apparently identical tumor
Knudson’s theory was developed with respect to retinoblastomas
Approximately 60% of retinoblastomas are sporadic, and the remaining 40% are familial, with the predisposition to develop the tumor being transmitted as an autosomal dominant trait.
To explain the familial and sporadic occurrence of an apparently identical tumor, Knudson proposed his now famous “two hit” hypothesis of oncogenesis.
He suggested that in hereditary cases, one genetic change (“first hit”) is inherited from an affected parent and is therefore present in all somatic cells of the body, whereas the second mutation (“second hit”) occurs in one of the many retinal cells (which already carry the first mutation).
In sporadic cases, however, both mutations (hits) occur somatically within a single retinal cell, whose progeny then form the tumor. Knudson’s hypothesis has been amply substantiated by cytogenetic and molecular studies and can now be formulated in more precise terms.
What seems to be sporadic cases of MENS in the past students may be due to the PERC causing two mutations occuring somatically within a single cell followed by clonal expansion of double-mutated cell – tumor.
Some of the cases might be due to a genetic change (“first hit”) inherited from an affected parent which is therefore present in all somatic cells of the body, followed by a second mutation (“second hit”) caused by the PERC occurring in one of the cells (already hit by the first mutation). cell followed by clonal expansion of double-mutated cell – tumor.
Georgie:
The Knudson hypothesis may not be hold here. It seems that we are talking about environmental exposure to PERC over time. The entire family would have had to gone to Louis Lynch. Or they would have had to have ties to working in laundries or living near ones which used PERC. I am viewing it from an epidemiological point of view.
Lemuel Sir
Environmental exposure to PERC over time. DOES NOT PRECLUDE Knudson hypothesis.
All disease can be looked at from an epidemiological point of view.
re The entire family would have had to gone to Louis Lynch. Or they would have had to have ties to working in laundries or living near ones which used PERC.
NOT TRUE.
The members of the families only had to have a predisposition to the diseases – the first hit. They did not have to be exposed to PERC The second hit would be the exposure to PERC
IN some cases both hits might have been due to exposure to PERC
Georgie:
I see where you are coming from. But remember much of the response on BU is in relation to environmental exposure to PERC and not genetic disposition. So do not be miffed when you are misunderstood!!
LEMUEL SIR!
It is now accepted that there is a genetic involvement in many diseases.
Environmental exposure to PERC may be the factor that cause the mutationn(s) for the oncogenesis, but there may also be a genetic preposition to cancer in some of those affected..
Please kindly note that I am not guided by the responses on BU about medical matters. Many untrained people pontificate on NU illogically or emotionally and without a “smidgen” of relevant information.
What is noteworthy of MENS is the several modes of presentation. This might be most distressing to the patients/sufferers, as well as make it very difficult for the doctors to make a diagnosis, since the patients are probably not presenting simply as is usually the case with the usual run of the mill common disease patterns.
This .situation ought to be seriously investigated. Would probably be good for a doctoral thesis in Public Health. .
• Multiple Endocrine Neoplasia: Each of the MENs is a disease of three or two letters plus a feature.
• MEN I is a disease of 3 P’s (pituitary, parathyroid, and pancreas) plus adrenal cortex
• MEN II is a disease of 2 C’s(carcinoma of thyroid and catacholamines [pheochromocytoma]) plus parathyroid for MEN IIa or mucocutaneous neuromas for MEN IIB(aka MEN III)
Georgie Porgie
I am not trying to discourage your efforts to enlighten the BU bloggers. But any good doctor would simplify the unfamiliar medical terminologies, so that the practical man like myself, who has little or no familiarity of them because he hasn’t studied them with a focused effort, as you have done. Now, I visit several doctors offices during week because my job requires it, and from time to time during those visits, I would engage some of these doctors in conversation; on issues relating to drug – therapy as well as behavioural- therapy etc. And the majority of these doctors would simplify their conversation to accommodate or compensate for my lack of knowledge regarding the medical jargon. In essence, it is kinda like a lawyer trying to explain the legal vernacular to a doctor.
@GP
Thanks for your intervention. Kammie from the Future Centre Trust is giving this matter serious focus and the Nation appears to be committed to highlighting high incidence of cancers of former Lynch students in coming weeks. This blog has gone a little viral on FB and many are reading your interventions. Ignore those in the JA Club.
i was involved in the Future Centre Trust at its inception, and haVe a nephew and niece who went to this school.
THE FTC needs to acquire the student and staff rolls for the duration of the schools existence, and make calls for all of these folk to contact them to report on the length of time they spent at the school and about their health status, and the nature of their disease if they have any. This would include their symptoms and diagnoses.
For those who have cancers perhaps following trends of cancer in their families could be compared.
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If the FTC COULD ACCOMPLISH THIS LARGE WORK, I AM SURE THE LATE DR COLIN HUDSON, ITS FOUNDER WOULD BE LOOKING DOWN WITH MUCH DELIGHT
its the asbestos that gave people cancer and other diseases, Barbados was suppose to stop using that product a long time ago, but they wanted to buy cheap materials from china and other countries, that don’t investigate their materials. Almost all the older government houses are built from asbestos, don’t use it its made mud, dirt or something poisonous.
IS NOT ASBESTOS MORE ASSOCIATED WITH MESOTHELIOMAS NANCI?
PLEASE CKECK YOUR ROBINS OR RUBINS
some people have very strong immune systems, so just because the watchman lived a long life, don’t mean everyone will, some people had cancers in the face, people would just laugh at them, but its the building supplies the country import, bajans really have to wake up and ask questions about building supplies, their water and other matters, because buying cheap down graded materials, will hurt lots of people in the long run, too bad the long gone deceased people wont get any compensation,
also the watchman who is still alive, maybe he walked around in the fresh air, or sat near a window or a door, but the kids were inside the building. Some people suffered from other diseases while cancer was detected when it was too late, but while some people may think its a joke, say a pray for all the past students who suffered and died.
no its not George, its a combination of lots of material that was made with the asbestos material, when the buildings fell in NY during 911, lots of people got respiratory problems, that’s because material in the air was bad, lots of people died because of breathing in those bad products in the air, so again its a combination of the products being made in the asbestos.
nanci you seem to be a pathological medical illiterate
ASBESTOS is MORE ASSOCIATED WITH THE AETIOLOGY OF MESOTHELIOMAS
I repeat please PLEASE CHECK OUT ROBINS OR RUBINS
yOU SEEM TO HAVE THE COGNITIVE SKILLS OF AC AND BALLAAMS ASS COMBINED.
GO READ UP THE DISEASES CAUSED BY ASBESTOS, MORON
BTW ROBINS AND RUBIN ARE THE AUTHORS OF TWO OF THE LEADING TEXTS IN PATHOLOGY READ UNIVERSALLY
Georgie:
The work you are proposing that the FTC do may be beyond them. They will need to have the services of a medical epidemiologist. They will also need the specialists in the area to review and concur. The CDRC may be a good unit from UWI to get involve. This will involve the review especially of medical notes over at least a twenty year period. You can not leave out the ones former students who appear to be well!!
Nigel Marshall has died while his former teaching colleague both my former teachers at Roebuck dismisses our concerns. What will it take the government to do further investigations http://www.nationnews.com/articles/view/advocate-succumbs/
It is now beginning to be made public, how information was withheld from the public and the reality innocents have died as a result. Many of us have to begin to put Barbados first!
The PDC expresses sincerest condolences to the family, friends and loved ones of Mr Nigel Marshall on his recent passing.
Indeed, his life must be best remembered by so many people for the very courageous fight he undertook – and especially in times of failing health – to get the root of a problem that may well have been the principal cause of his death.
May he rest in Peace.
PDC
Not to be too insensitive but who was Nigel Marshall? And how was he related to the current issue before deliberation?
David
I knew many people who have attended Roebuck Secondary and have many personal friends who are now in their middle to late forties, who have also attended that school and they’re in perfect health as I speak. During my years at Roebuck Boys Primary, I visited Roebuck Secondary to see my friends there countless number of times, and I am still in good health as we speak, thanks to God.
David
I am not advancing the view that there wasn’t some very wrong with that school and persons who alleged that their had gotten sick there. But to make a convincing case/ argument, one obviously must and ought to also look at those people who were in that same environment and are now in good health, as we seek to ascertain the etiology of this usual medical phenomenon.
David, have you seen the way in which Georgie Porgie seeks to besmear others above? He obviously thinks that just because he downloads and regurgitates some else medical terminologies that he is the shite. GP, I know of ten year old East Indian kids here in America, who would put your little exercise to shame.
@Dompey are you a dummy or just insensitive. Your political slip is showing
http://www.nationnews.com/articles/view/chemical-link/
Former Roebuck School Student
I thought I had reiterated the fact that I do not dispute the statements made by former students of the school. Some of whom were friends of mine and acquaintances I saw on a regular basis.
Former Roebuck Student
Is there an established list of former students who have die or taken ill as a direct resulted of their exposured?
good question ,
” students who have die or taken ill as a direct resulted of their exposured”
MY GOD! WHAT BOO-TIFUL INGLISH! merdah!
@Dompey @Former Roebuck Student,Over 12 persons have died over the last 3 years and over 74 are currently ill with some form of rare or unexplained illness.
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