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Detroit, a black eye for Capitalism
Detroit, a black eye for Capitalism

During the middle years of the twentieth century Detroit emerged as a major success for western industrial capitalism. That success imposed American technological dominance over the world and determined the modern transport systems. There was a massive drive to transform the means of transportation from horse drawn coaches to the more ‘efficient’ internal combustion engine. Within this success developed the largest and wealthiest middle classes yet known to man, largely through the efforts of worker’s unions’ engagement in successful collective bargaining. The population swelled to 1.5 million at the height of prosperity thus fuelling industrial expansion in all other industries at an exponential rate. Detroit and its motor companies was indeed the leading edge of American cultural dominance after its shared victory in the Second World War.

The fall of Detroit started to gain momentum around the oil crises of the early 1970’s. Concomitant with transformation in the energy sector there was, starting a few decades prior, effort to de-industrialize the USA in the search for cheaper labour elsewhere. There were management failures to innovate, to reduce fuel consumptions rates, to revolutionize designs, to transform its relationships with workers, to redefine the nature of business. These were strategic failures. These failures led to the rise of competitors from Asia, Europe and elsewhere and opened up the American domestic markets to a level of competition hitherto unknown. Foreign competitors were eating Detroit’s lunch and economic death was not to be too distant. This reminds us of the Barbados tourism industry of today.

The slow death of industrial Detroit contracted the population to 700 thousand by 2013. Tax revenues dwindled, City government has closed or is closing hundreds of schools, urban areas were depopulated, and crime has surged and frontally affects the poor and working classes remaining there. At the same time the Federal governments of Bush and Obama could spend hundreds of billions, some say trillions, to bail out the auto companies, their executives and shareholders while the people of Detroit were to be left to their own devises. Today an unelected bankruptcy lawyer has effective administrative power over the citizens of Detroit, in a political democracy, what an oxymoron. This must be a near slavery experience. Mr Orr, as bailiff, would now be deciding to sell-off the commons, master pieces of art, public spaces. As bailiff, he has signalled that a bail-in is on the cards, meaning that recipients of pension obligations are to receive a substantial hair cut. Small businesses owed money by the City can expect pennies on the dollar, as determined by the Bankruptcy Court. Detroit is not alone; ten other cities within the USA are at various stages in bankruptcy and more are expected to be added within the coming year.

Could this be a possible scenario as the failure of capitalism comes to the developing world? We are, up to now, used to the machinations of the World Bank, The International Monetary Fund, the rating agencies, the OECD and the Washington Consensus. Up to now global capital has kept corporations, somewhat, on a leash. Could this be the time when disaster capitalism unleashes their dogs of war – corporations- with a level of economic violence yet unseen on developing countries? We have asked before whether it was possible for Barbados to be owned, again, by a multi-national corporation? Remember ‘Enterprise Barbados’ was started as a corporation. The Charter of Barbados (1652) was indeed a corporate structure for ownership and control. Would we be willing to gleefully sing the national anthem of a country called Microsoft-Barbados? Perkins, the Economic Hitman, has made us well aware how these forces of global capital were harnessed to pressurize developing countries to serve Empire even through assassination, destabilization and war.

We have previously expressed our misgivings about successive governments of Barbados transferring public assets to private interests. We have seen this as anti-developmental and as the first step in a larger plot to further consolidate wealth in the hands of the ‘one percent’. This massive global transference of wealth is quickly gaining a level of respectability as the ability of people to resist appears to have recognized certain limitations. Southern Europe has seen failed banks, not bail out by central governing authorities and insurance companies but by depositors themselves as deposits are reduced, not shareholder or executive equity alone. We would like to re-register our objection to the insistence of the MOF to meddle with the savings of the people of Barbados. We feel confident that these transfers will not be repaid in the same way that large transfers to banks in the USA by the Federal Reserve were never repaid and were never intended to be repaid. Some will say that the USA experience represents a different calculus. However, we will maintain that both situations are part of one overarching and coming economic dispensation.

Radical changes in global governance will especially impact small nation states. We have always been vulnerable, even those states with an abundance of natural resources. The absence of industrial bases for the consistence production and distribution of basic life sustaining needs will be even more difficult in circumstances where importation is impossible. An overreliance on tourism and financial services could add greater pressures on societies as receipts diminish. Demands for repayment received from corporate holders of foreign debt maybe impossible to be met. Central government appropriation of reachable private assets could instigate generalized social disorder.

The discourse on blogs, in media and in academia still underestimates the gravamen of the circumstances developing countries are facing now and that will further deteriorate in the coming years. There seems not to be even a clear determination as to whether we are in a depression or a recession as though an economic concept of time matters to people who are smelling hell and having been seeing their ability to provide for basis existence becoming more and more ‘challenging’. It even presents great difficulty to convince policymakers that we should, it least, have some type of strategic plans that estimate worst case scenarios, even if they use become unnecessary. All actors are living in hope that manna will fall from up there. As things get worse and with little signs that any improvement is in the offing, policymakers in developing countries remain in a developmental no-man’s land unable to escape. People still want to talk about economic growth and generally extend the life of the post Breton Woods architecture no matter, all the signs everywhere, that we have entered a phase in human civilization, when all the forces around us are considered, that Keynes could not have anticipated though for his time was able to make adjustments that serve to blunt the power of the internal contradictions of capitalism.

The bankruptcy of Detroit, and maybe many more American cities, States and even the Federal government of the USA itself portend a capitalist cataclysm. We must now start to think about a world without capitalism while defending ourselves from those who would want to re-impose other more authoritarian forms – feudalism.

36 responses to “The Capitalist Failure in Detroit and its Implications for Small Developing Countries”


  1. @Pacha

    You dare to touch the sacred cow of Western systems? No system is perfect although some will say differently. Imagine this is a system where single digit population control more than 70% of the wealth in the USA. Where is the equity in such a situation?

  2. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    Over reliance on a single industry did Detroit in.

    Sounds familiar?


  3. Capitalism has NOT failed in Detroit, indeed it is overly strong Unions that were permitted by Auto Execs to become BOSS HOGGS at the trough!

    While I do agree that Execs did make Marketing mistakes, the key error occurred in 1990 when GM Pres Stempel should have taken a major long lasting strike, since the US was in recession and he had good inventory of vehicles versus demand. He caved and the result was Bankruptcy 5 yrs ago, due to absolutely ridiculous All in costs per worker of $80/hr when the Japs were paying $58/hr which is a massive 27.5% DISADVANTAGE.
    Therefore , Capitalism out of Japan succeeded over Detroit where Unions shot themselves! These same workers will eventually have a much worse retirement than anticipated as I will guarantee that GM can NOT survive with a Total Pension Liability of $425 BN!

    While we are on the topic of Bankruptcy please be aware that the US Feds have imposed a total liability cost of TWICE per capita what sank Detroit so expect the US to go BANKRUPT TOO! This is one reason why they are willing to fight and destroy Iran since many countries intend to bypass the US$, the World’s Reserve currency, and Iran will be the whipping post!

    The Asian Auto makers are manufacturing in the US and do so very successfully while NOT having Unions and certainly NOT paying criminally high costs! It is interesting that the most successful auto parts maker in the last 25 yrs is Magna and they do NOT have Unions, and yet their 117,000 workers appear very happy! Unionism had a critical role in history but as far as today’s World and large Corps are concerned, UNIONS are workers worst enemy now.
    to be continued


  4. This piece absolutely FAILS to point out that Bailouts are a Socialist “solution” to business that almost always FAILS! In 1982 Chrysler went under and were Bailedout and then 25 yrs later bailout is required again, why? Chrysler was NOT competitive in 1982 and should have folded then.

    In the Socialist attempt to keep Chrysler afloat the Feds endangered the other Auto Corps by insisting on subsidised competition, this just does NOT work and is the equivalent of keeping a 90 yr old person with several failing organs alive by pumping 6 pints of blood a day through their body. This action is not only pointless but indeed takes up the limited resources ie Blood supply, bed, nursing/ medical time et al that may be required for a patient who is in a much better position to resume a productive life once repaired. Absolutely stupid!


  5. @MB

    Analyze all you want but the Capitalist system in the US is supporting a level of ROI which will see the inevitable squeezing of labour cost.


  6. We can discuss and analyse all these ISMS but what is absolutely required is INCENTIVE and DISINCENTIVE or CARROT and STICK! Why? Humans are certainly complex creatures BUT there are FAR TOO MANY that will just TAKE if encouraged to so by Vote seeking Pols. Those who are incentivised to produce will simultaneously resist paying high Taxes in order for Pols to waste the money by giving to Lazyasses who have NO Intention of contributing. The majority of citizens will lose from both angles. Democray is FAILING!

    On the other hand I agree that certain members of the the 1% who have BOUGHT and PAID for the Pols are totally out of control. That is not a failure of Capitalism but the success of CROOKED Pols and Corruption.

    The demise of Detroit and Europe should serve as a stark warning that overly liberal policies like expensive social safety nets and highly progressive Taxes can’t work. These Socialist policies that are implemented without proper disciplined,measurable objectives, that are not monitored and controlled by Professional managers don’t cure income inequality but merely destroy wealth by by reducing incentives for building businesses and encourage DEPENDENCY. Governments have mostly failed in attempting to manage anything and should be kept to a minimum size and impact.


  7. @MB

    How can you acknowledge the single digit ppl who control the wealth in the US and excuse their obvious influence on the capitalist system?


  8. I do NOT excuse the 1% BUT I correctly place the majority of the BLAME on CORRUPT Pols who are ELECTED to SERVE the MAJORITY, NOT to do the bidding of the 1%! If those Poltical Whores were faithful to their role then they would control the sick members of the 1%!

    We do NOT elect the 1%! They don’t necessarily owe the electorate!

    The 1% are not a problem because they are Capitalists, they are a problem when they seek to be GREEDY, POWERFUL and CORRUPT! The same attributes afflict Socialist and Communist leaders because they are poor excuses for Humans! Strict INTEGRITY Legislation and Professional monitoring is the answer.

    Everyone should be very worried about the Socialist Cataclysm in Europe and the USA!!!!!

    We must develop a system that is Socialised Capitalism where logical assistance is proffered to the populace on Education, Medical etc BUT the recipients are held to their part of the bargain ie NO loosey goosey BS.
    Wastage after Taxing the crap out of PRODUCTIVE people is the PROBLEM.

    In Ontario, 20+% of Uni grads have to go to college after graduation to learn how to do something in order to make a living—wastage due to piss poor planning ie we dont need 10,000 Sociologists a year!
    The Primary and Secondary education is so badly conducted that 25% of the Uni entrants have to do remedial English in 1st year. they cant write a simple paragraph properly. Governments are wasteful, corrupt and are worse than an ARMY of OCCUPATION, since such Armies eventually become homesick and return from whence they came!


  9. Moneybrain said:

    “The demise of Detroit and Europe should serve as a stark warning that overly liberal policies like expensive social safety nets and highly progressive Taxes can’t work. These Socialist policies that are implemented without proper disciplined,measurable objectives, that are not monitored and controlled by Professional managers don’t cure income inequality but merely destroy wealth by by reducing incentives for building businesses and encourage DEPENDENCY. Governments have mostly failed in attempting to manage anything and should be kept to a minimum size and impact.”

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    Money…………while you are on that thread you may want to go more indepth on the overall pending demise of the US financial system, i am sure you have more information on that, it would give the people in Bim further incite on what to expect and maybe try to prepare themselves for the severe shocks ahead.


  10. Detroit is mainly an example of the failure to innovate.
    It’s like planting one tree that eventually rewards you with rich pickings of fruit.
    Eventually the tree gets old and the quality and quantity of fruit decline.

    Failure to innovate eventually catches up with you.

    At the same time Detroit was on the decline, Silicon Valley was on the upswing.

    From small acorns — HP, Apple and a string of other successful enterprises today were started by one or 2 guys developing a product in a garage with hardly any capital and little or nothing more than basic equipment, an idea and an itch.

    Sun Microsystems was once the company that rode high on the dot.com boom only to see their fortunes fade and were eventually bought out by Oracle, a comparative dwarf.

    IBM is still a force because it has not sat on its laurels but survives by iterative innovation.

    Microsoft is not the force they once were and their fortunes have declined. Even the recent reorganization by Steve Ballmer may not see their fortunes rise to where it once had been not a long time ago.

    Google began in January 1996 as a research project by Larry Page and Sergey Brin when they were both PhD students at Stanford University in Stanford, California — Look at Google now.

    While Detroit was turning out the same gas guzzling cars, the Japanese manufacturers were turning out high quality small cars and what you see on the commute to and from San Francisco is an endless line of small Japanese cars. America had changed, Detroit had not because of their mistaken belief that they knew what the consumer wanted.

    Over here in the UK, when I went overseas in 1966 there were mostly Austin, Ford and Vauxhall cars on the roads and when I cam back in 1969 a major shift to Japanese cars that were cheaper, better built and better equipped. Radios, TV’s and a long list of items were no longer made by UK manufacturers, a trend which has continued to this day.
    If the company names exist they are all foreign owned.

    There is a recurring theme, a few guys with a smart idea eventually producing something revolutionary and progressively gathering many smart people from other companies to work for them, sometimes with just a leap of faith in the early stage.


  11. Detroit, Michigan (United States) alike Barbados is ill – financially stress. Alike Barbados, problems in Detroit are accumulative of several decades. Elected officials didn’t know what in the hell they were doing. Detroit, however, will survive. Barbados, probably not. Detroit has potential and possibilities, lots of it. Detroit, did you know is home of the American Auto Industry (General Motors, Ford and Chrysler). Detroit, did you know is home to the North American International Auto Show (NAIAS) which it hosts each year in January and Cobo Center there, site of the annual North American International Auto Show is midst a 320 million dollar renovation, since 2011. True, the City of Detroit on July 18, 2013 filed bankruptcy. The NAIAS none the less will go on – show must go on – one monkey don’t stop no show.

    NAIAS chairman, Bob Shuman says “the 2014 show will exhibit more [automotive] world wide products and automotive technology. NAIAS 2014 will be an indicator of an increasingly confident, healthier automotive industry, and once again, all the industry news and excitement will be unveiled on the world stage right here in Detroit.”
    Detroit, even in a financial crisis refuses to pull the plug on spending $400 million for a new hockey arena for its Detroit Red Wings. Michigan Governor, Rick Snyder and Kevin Orr, appointed emergency manager agrees to stick with the plan. Detroit’s bankruptcy in process won’t halt the 2014 North American International Auto Show or building a new hockey arena.Detroit even in its current condition is breathing. Four Seasons and the Pierhead Marina project down there on that dot in the Caribbean is not even doing that, breathing

    Detroit Emergency Manager has a plan to dig Detroit out of debt. Detroit in bankruptcy will likely lose some very rare and precious gems but still live. It, Detroit likely will lose its 2.6 billion dollar art collection housed at the Detroit Institute of Arts. The Historical Museum, “owned by Detroit” celebrated a $12-million renovation late last year and exhibits some big ticket items, also owned by Detroit, notably, a collection of about 60 classic automobiles. Hagerty, a Traverse City-based company that specializes in classic car values and insurances estimates that three of them attains value of $1 million or more. Detroit, at moment owns parking garages, lots and metered parking spaces – thousands of them. The city’s parking department may then lose nearly $6 million per year. Detroit does not need to own a city airport, a zoo or zoo animals because it has others items very rare and precious now at risk due to its bankruptcy filing and decades of financial mismanagement.

    You Pachamana knocked at the wrong door, Detroit, Michigan (United States). Detroit, Pachamana is ill, extremely but unlike Barbados not terminal.


  12. @WW et al

    The US, Europe and Japan are all in deep trouble financially because the Pols have all encouraged Over Borrowing by all constituents ie Families, businesses, Banks, and Governments, for the last 40+yrs.

    They are Serial Bubble Blowers and Economy Killers!

    If just creating money and giving it to people worked then why not just write a cheque to everyone for a $1MN?

    How does one solve the problem of too much credit/ borrowing by creating far more credit? Seems like pouring gasolene on a fire to me!

    The very best one could expect over the next 10yrs is ANEMIC growth in the Western World because of high Debt, high proportion of people retiring, competition from the HALF of mankind recently released to pursue Business ie China, India and Eastrn Europe.

    The chances are that the Second Boot will drop on our collective throats in the next couple years as we go into recession there are NO Policy Tools that will work. Typically you drop interest rates and or devalue currencies to escape recession. How do you drop rates from here? Devaluation will lead to Trade or Hot War, maybe both! Economic Collapse is somewhat probable.

    The solution for most, especially Bajans, is self sufficiency. Time to shrug off the current delusion and hate for agriculture and start growing FOOD. Although I came from a relatively well off family I was encouraged to grow pumpkins, peanuts etc and to raise fowls, sheep, pigeons etc, why? My parents had lived through WW2 and the Great Depression prior! They knew HARD TIMES intimately! My father had spent many nights Fishing after a full days work. Bajans better wake up and go back to their roots!

    The sweeeeet salad days done! No honey or money coming! Bajans are badly in need of Realistic Professional LEADERSHIP!


  13. “Within this success developed the largest and wealthiest middle classes yet known to man, largely through the efforts of worker’s unions’ engagement in successful collective bargaining.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If credit goes for the rise to unions then surely credit must also go to the fall!!

    “Elementary my dear Watson”


  14. http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/29/opinion/pettis-china-economy/index.html

    The American Auto Industry must be preserved and will, likewise Detroit.

    Today, nearly every municipality or country at some level faces financial stress, even China. The United States and or Canada’s economy is not as healthy as it could be. Most of Europe is a mess alike Barbados.


  15. Moneybrain said:

    “The US, Europe and Japan are all in deep trouble financially because the Pols have all encouraged Over Borrowing by all constituents ie Families, businesses, Banks, and Governments, for the last 40+yrs.

    They are Serial Bubble Blowers and Economy Killers!

    The solution for most, especially Bajans, is self sufficiency. Time to shrug off the current delusion and hate for agriculture and start growing FOOD. Although I came from a relatively well off family I was encouraged to grow pumpkins, peanuts etc and to raise fowls, sheep, pigeons etc, why? My parents had lived through WW2 and the Great Depression prior! They knew HARD TIMES intimately! My father had spent many nights Fishing after a full days work. Bajans better wake up and go back to their roots!

    The sweeeeet salad days done! No honey or money coming! Bajans are badly in need of Realistic Professional LEADERSHIP!”

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    Money…………….i hope that Barbados and the Caribbean finally recognizes that they can take the above information to the bank, realistically speaking this recession and it’s devastating aftermath still has legs long enough to walk us all into the next decade. A good dose of reality should wake up those who have been in denial and fully asleep for the last 8 years. I spoke to a relative this morning who has interests in the Canadian stock market and he said he has not made any significant money in the market in the last three years, definitely cause for concern.


  16. @Sid B
    You are certainly correct to point out that INNOVATION was a significant problem. However, the Silicon Valley innovators did NOT have Unions to deal with either! They used profit sharing and other incentives which I am confident is the best approach to excellent productivity.


  17. 44 Facts About The Death Of The Middle Class That Every American Should Know
    By Michael Snyder, on July 30th, 2013

    What is America going to look like when the middle class is dead? Once upon a time, the United States has the largest and most vibrant middle class in the history of the world. When I was growing up, it seemed like almost everyone was “middle class” and it was very rare to hear of someone that was out of work. Of course life wasn’t perfect, but most families owned a home, most families had more than one vehicle, and most families could afford nice vacations and save for retirement at the same time. Sadly, things have dramatically changed in America since that time. There just aren’t as many “middle class jobs” as there used to be. In fact, just six years ago there were about six million more full-time jobs in our economy than there are right now. Those jobs are being replaced by part-time jobs and temp jobs. The number one employer in America today is Wal-Mart and the number two employer in America today is a temp agency (Kelly Services). But you can’t support a family on those kinds of jobs. We live at a time when incomes are going down but the cost of living just keeps going up. As a result, the middle class in America is being absolutely shredded and the ranks of the poor are steadily growing. The following are 44 facts about the death of the middle class that every American should know…

    (A few examples of the 44 listed):

    3. Median household income (adjusted for inflation) has fallen by 7.8 percent since the year 2000.

    4. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the middle class is taking home a smaller share of the overall income pie than has ever been recorded before.

    snip

    38. In the year 2000, there were only 17 million Americans on food stamps. Today, there are more than 47 million Americans on food stamps.

    39. Back in the 1970s, about one out of every 50 Americans was on food stamps. Today, about one out of every 6.5 Americans is on food stamps.

    snip

    44. In the year 2000, the ratio of social welfare benefits to salaries and wages was approximately 21 percent. Today, the ratio of social welfare benefits to salaries and wages is approximately 35 percent.

    And not only is the middle class being systematically destroyed right now, we are also destroying the bright economic future that our children and our grandchildren were supposed to have by accumulating gigantic mountains of debt in their names.

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/44-facts-about-the-death-of-the-middle-class-that-every-american-should-know


  18. It’s time for greedy employers to realize they are not going to become millionaires and billionaires off the backs of workers anymore, besides, employers in Europe and North America now use workers from countries such as the Middle East and Far East, Philippines etc, where they can continue to exploit workers by paying them slave wages of anywhere between 30 cents to $1 dollar an hour, slave wages, most internet jobs are outsourced to these countries.

    In the case of Barbados and the Caribbean, they will have to be mindful going forward and do not once again become the exploited.


  19. Look………..it will be a domino effect, China holds most of the US’ debts.


  20. On the subject of the middleclass and the pillaging by governments did we hear in the media reporting that the next budget may contain measures to tax income earners greater than?


  21. Psychopathic banksters seem to rule the roost in today’s US economy. I am sure to a great extent, they always did, but probably just had to be a bit more discreet about it before they got their political lackeys to implement their own much wished for deregulation agenda.

    Big Banks Manipulated Energy Markets In California and the Midwest … Ripping Off Tens of Millions of Dollars in 9 Months

    Energy Markets Are Manipulated

    The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission says that JP Morgan has massively manipulated energy markets in California and the Midwest, obtaining tens of millions of dollars in overpayments from grid operators between September 2010 and June 2011.

    As shown below, big banks have manipulated virtually every other market as well – both in the financial sector and the real economy – and broken virtually every law on the books.
    Commodities Are Manipulated

    The big banks and government agencies have been conspiring to manipulate commodities prices for decades.

    The big banks are taking over important aspects of the physical economy, including uranium mining, petroleum products, aluminum, ownership and operation of airports, toll roads, ports, and electricity.

    And they are using these physical assets to massively manipulate commodities prices … scalping consumers of many billions of dollars each year.

    snip

    Manipulating Numerous Markets In Myriad Ways

    The big banks and other giants manipulate numerous markets in myriad ways, for example:

    Engaging in mafia-style big-rigging fraud against local governments. See this, this and this

    Shaving money off of virtually every pension transaction they handled over the course of decades, stealing collectively billions of dollars from pensions worldwide. Details here, here, here, here, here,here, here, here, here, here, here.

    Charging “storage fees” to store gold bullion … without even buying or storing any gold . And raiding allocated gold accounts

    Committing massive and pervasive fraud both when they initiated mortgage loans and when they foreclosed on them (and see this)

    Pledging the same mortgage multiple times to different buyers. See this, this, this, this and this. This would be like selling your car, and collecting money from 10 different buyers for the same car

    Cheating homeowners by gaming laws meant to protect people from unfair foreclosure

    Pushing investments which they knew were terrible, and then betting against the same investments to make money for themselves. See this, this, this, this and this

    Engaging in unlawful “frontrunning” to manipulate markets. See this, this, this, this, this and this

    Engaging in unlawful “Wash Trades” to manipulate asset prices. See this, this and this

    Otherwise manipulating markets. And see this

    Participating in various Ponzi schemes. See this, this and this

    Charging veterans unlawful mortgage fees

    Cooking their books (and see this)

    Bribing and bullying ratings agencies to inflate ratings on their risky investments.

    http://www.thedailysheeple.com/big-banks-manipulated-energy-markets-in-california-and-the-midwest-ripping-off-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-9-months_072013


  22. @MonkeyGreen
    These greedy corrupt bastards are conducting themselves this way because the Politicians are CORRUPT and have SOLD OUT!

    DEMOCRACY has FAILED because it is all about Pols paying huge sums of $$$$$ to get RE-ELECTED!

    Proper monitoring and controls by Govt would have these White Collar Criminals in Prison.

    Americans DELUDE themselves that they have some great system of Laws, Business etc. Give me the position of Benevolent Dictator and I would sort it out within a couple years! Naturally heads would have to roll and I would have to stave attempts on my life!


  23. Moneybrain……….Benevolent Dictator?? those guys in the US play for keeps, see the merry run around they are giving Obama just to secure enough to keep the country going.


  24. (Reuters) – After decades of emulating Japan’s export-driven economic miracle, China appears in danger of following it into the same kind of economic coma that Japan is trying to wake up from 20 years later.
    China is struggling to wean itself off a habit picked up from its more advanced neighbor: relying for growth on exports and credit-fuelled investment. That has left its economy lopsided, economists say, with massive over investment in property and industries rapidly losing their cost advantage, from mining and electronics to cars and textiles. Wages are rising, the return on investments falling.
    With growth slipping, China’s President Xi Jinping and Premier Li Keqiang seem determined to avoid a U.S.-style financial crisis, complete with widespread bankruptcies and job losses.
    Preventing such a crisis though could embalm diseased sectors, stifling efforts to make growth more sustainable and instead create the kind of “zombie” banks and companies that sucked the life out of Japan’s economy, economists say.


  25. (CNN) — After many years of euphoria over China’s rapid growth and the country’s apparently inevitable rise to global economic dominance, the China story has taken a serious turn for the worse. China, it now seems, is about to collapse, and along the way it may well bring the world economy down with it.
    China’s economic model has relied heavily on investment and debt. It shouldn’t be a surprise that after many years of tremendous growth driven at first by badly needed investments, Chinese spending on infrastructure and manufacturing capacity is slowing down.
    During the same period, debt levels surged as borrowed money poured into more highways, airports, steel mills, shipyards, high-speed railways, and apartment and office buildings than the country could productively use.
    A few economists predicted as far back as 2006 that China would face a serious debt problem. By 2010, it became obvious even to the most excited of China bulls that this was indeed happening.
    To protect itself from the risk of a debt crisis, China must bring spending to a halt. Beijing now wants to rebalance the economy away from its excessive reliance on investment and debt, and to increase the role of consumption as a driver of growth.


  26. Here is the link to the blog which was referenced in the interview:

    http://rowans-blog.blogspot.no/


  27. It’s so unfortunate that most people are clueless, unaware and blissfully ignorant of the real threat that is currently posed to freedom, they obviously are not capable of envisioning that re-enslavement is real.


  28. @Moneybrain
    Capitalism has NOT failed in Detroit, indeed it is overly strong Unions that were permitted by Auto Execs to become BOSS HOGGS at the trough
    *************
    Spoken like a true believer who has lingered a little too long with the liquid refreshments and the free flowing discussions that followed the prime rib lunches at a Bay Street Gentleman club.

    Always blame the workers for following the lead of those corporate executives best exemplified by Gordon Gekko “greed is good”. Those CEO’s who make 500 times the salary of their average employee and come to office equipped with a “golden parachute” for soft landing.

    When all else fails blame the workers

    http://go.bloomberg.com/multimedia/ceo-pay-ratio/

    http://stateofworkingamerica.org/chart/swa-wages-figure-4-ceo-worker-compensation/


  29. @Sarge
    I am blaming the greedy ass Union bosses NOT the workers! Workers dont have the info Union bosses have.

    Sarge, I have met Union bosses on holiday and get a couple Rums in them and the confess their sins to me like if MB is the Pope! Those bastards are 2 faced, take 6 weeks hols a year and behave arrogantly just like the “enemy” Execs! ALL these so called “Leadership” types whether Union, Exec or Pol are “playing the peeps for FOOLS”. Are you a victim of these clowns?

    I certainly do NOT support Execs making 500 times the factory floor peeps!
    Each case is different but maybe 50 times could be justifiable. All employees should be eligible for Profit sharing, should have incentives etc.
    Execs and Directors should have to meet Long Term Objectives that run over a 7+yr Cycle to stop short term “lack of thinking”! ie the top guys just cant rev things up because they retire in 3 yrs.(like Nortel)

    I am in the Investing Business and who you think is vulnerable to being shafted by crooked . ineffective Execs, but my Clients and I? My clients include all kinds from the Shopfloor to Execs to Entrepreneurs to Police to Accountants/ Lawyers/ Engineers/ Pilots.


  30. Part of the above CNN story on the slowdown in the Chinese political economy and services industry juggernaut, says: ‘China’s economic model has relied heavily on investment and debt. It shouldn’t be a surprise that after many years of tremendous growth driven at first by badly needed investments, Chinese spending on infrastructure and manufacturing capacity is slowing down. During the same period debt levels surged as borrowed money poured into more highways, airports, steel mills, shipyards, high-speed railways, and apartment and office buildings than the country could productively use’.

    The People’s Democratic Congress (PDC) has evolved twelve (12) fundamental principles concerning money and its uses in Barbados.

    Principle 3, states that MONEY, or its uses, CANNOT give rise to MONEY DEBT. Nothing can anyhow. Any amount of money when transferred by any financial institution to another institution – financial or otherwise – or when transferred by such an institution to a person, when eventually used by them in the market will not be traced by them for any reasonable length of time after being used; or when received by them from a depositor of money in a financial institution, or when money is received by sellers of goods/providers of services from the purchasers of market goods/users of market services, except when directly got from the immediate givers – will mean that there is no knowledge or no tracing by them (sellers/purchasers/services providers) of where the money came from or where it will go, in a reasonable length of time, ( and similar denominations are almost undistinguishable for purposes of tracing), since money is being circulated by its users as non-personal, non-personally claimable public property, and from which there can never be any logical references to individual ownership in its use and therefore individual use as debt, or as individual ownership of debt following its use or even as collateral itself against such debt (non-existent). So there is no such realism truism as MONEY DEBT – Just MONEY and its uses. Money – in other relevant cases – can only represent nominal income, nominal payment, nominal transfer debts of individuals, businesses and other entities any place in Barbados/elsewhere.

    Where at any times individuals, businesses, etc truthfully lent some portions, or all, of their nominal incomes, nominal payments, nominal transfers to others, and used money and only money to represent such remunerations lent, they are therefore indebted to, because it is their properties that are lent out to some others in those ways, and that are returnable. These nominal income, nominal payment, and nominal transfer debts must therefore be classified as personal corporate ones, that once properly in order, can be referenced, that can be/are recorded and therefore traced. A similar thing relates to financial institutions that are indebted to savers of nominal income, payments and transfers in them.

    A reasonable and sound reading of this very fundamental principle and the rationalisms and dicta will show why therefore this obscene wicked mythology fiction of MONEY DEBT, that has been wrapped in political legal tinsels and sanctions, has been used by many people (some public policy makers, financial managers and some others in financial institutions, etc,) in Barbados and elsewhere to create massive, and in many cases severe irrestorable, problems for the proper functioning of the political economy, the service industry and personal household sectors of not only Barbados, but also of China and other countries.

    That is why a certain future coalitional government of Barbados – and of which the PDC will be a part of, shall – on the basis of the above described and other axiomatic rationalist principles and philosophies – help bring these types of problems to an end in Barbados by ABOLISHING all institutional productive and non-productive debt in this country within a reasonable time of entering political office. This certain future coalitional government shall therefore also implement two particular schemes in such regards: A National Institutional Non-repayable Productive Loans Scheme and a National Institutional Non-Repayable Non-Productive Loans Scheme.

    And this is why too we have been promulgating the absolute permanent removal of these two intellectually politically bankrupt and discredited DLP and BLP from the governmental political landscape of this country in five years time for not only perpetuating and perpetrating this obscene wicked mythology fiction of MONEY DEBT for political legal purposes too, but also for their substantially assisting in raining down these monstrous deep rooted financial and other problems that have been afflicting preventing the greater growth and development of the material production and distribution and personal and household sectors in this country.

    PDC


  31. China is going to suffer the same fate of other Great Empires becoming top heavy leaving out those at the bottom who pull the wagon . Some of China major problems going tocost China billions of dollars and years to correct if possible .its water system is highly contaminated. pollution levels are high .A comfortable growth rate of 2008 will continue to crumble as consumers reject their inferior products and turn to other markets for quality.


  32. @ac

    If you understand read history you must know that ALL Empires will fall. It is cyclical, nothing is forever.


  33. What is being described is an acceleration in the decline of grwoth in china. not the fall of any or other Emopire. the reasons are just as in important to the discusion. Mind you even though doom and gloom seems to be what some economist is propagting. The sucess and failures are dependant on how China restructure their economy which is what they are in the process of doing…so suggseting History as a proven theory might not be true in this case..


  34. @ac

    Any slowdown in the Chinese economy will have a knock on to the US economy. If you can’t figure why maybe MB can tell you.


  35. David well even a clown can figure that out. that does not answer your comment as to referencing the historical correaltion to china in respect to past empires that have fallen.as you had stated in your opevious comment. ac response that the same fate not necessarily so for China if they got there house in order. But as usual trying to change the subject to make yuself look knowelgeable.

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