@Inkwell “The question needs to be asked and an answer demanded. How do the police get a man who is innocent to confess to a serious crime like rape?”

I expect that they got the confession by bullying, and beating.

But isn’t that how we all get our own way?

Isn’t the use of browbeating, bullying, beating and torture wide-spread at homes, schools, and workplaces WORLDWIDE?

The POLICE ARE JUST LIKE US.

We raised them.

We raised them in our homes, our communities, our schools, our churches.

The police are not little green men from Mars.

THEY ARE US.

It may not be the answer, but it is the TRUTH.

TRUTH is often painful.

Can’t bear to look in the mirror, can we?

The police do the dirty work for us because we want it so, and then they come home and sit at our dining tables, and we embrace them in our beds at nights, and then we go to church on Saturdays or Sundays and say “Glory Hallelujah.”

When Davies and Turner were in Barbados did they visit the Police Complaints Authority? Another ineffective government agency.

bush tea ! but how does one correct a problem is pertinent to the question RELATING to the problem which means asking relative questions and thorough investigation . we all know what simple simons said. however that doe not correct the problem!

I believe it was around 1978 while attending a political meeting in River road, near the then Rediffusion building, Errol Barrow said as a practicing
attorney he discovered; the cops who beat the crap out of the suspects would then not take the statement. Thus, when the question was raised during the trial, the officer giving evidence could deny ever laying a finger on the accuse.
Did our national hero put measures in place to prevent events such as what we’re discussing from occurring…
How about erecting statues of these two ladies…
My fellow Bajan men, here are two ladies with BALLS much larger than yours

ac
When you read back your last post you will no doubt see that you are making no sense. However, even you must know that the VERY FIRST step in addressing any problem is understanding the root cause.
EVERYBODY and their cousins know of the dirty linen of police confessions. Every lawyer knows In even more graphic detail.
YOU THINK THE COMMISSIONER DON’T KNOW?
YOU THINK THE AG DON’T KNOW?
…well it is possible that the PM does not know…. 🙂
…and it seems that the CJ still trying to come to grips with the fact that he actually has a big job….
BUT EVERYONE ELSE KNOWS…
….and we accept the situation because, as SS says, it is who we are.

Now if we just fire the COP, what would make his successor any better? …Hell, he/she may be worse (especially if it is a SHE 🙂 )
The solutions needs to go to the HEART of the problem – A CHANGE OF CULTURE.

To achieve such a change, we will need a RADICAL change in leadership AND in leadership STYLE. ..a new way of doing things.

The solution is OBVIOUS!!!

1-CASWELL, BAFBFP (or the Anti-Americam would do too…), David, Islandgal and some others get together and launch the Barbados Unity Party (BUP)
2-The party identifies 30 mass based community leaders and appoint them as the NSC (National Supervisory Committee)
3- the NSC advertises for a PM and for potential managers of Government Business and interviews qualified applicants
4- Thirty successful candidates are entered in the constituencies during the next elections. Each candidate is REQUIRED to sign an undated letter of resignation to be held by the NSC.
5- The NSC endorses the candidates and encourages the support of their various organizations.
5- Once BUP wins a majority of the seats, the successful interviewees are appointed to manage Government business

Conclusion and Analysis
We would have competent managers of Government business in position
We will have a POWERFUL NSC with bite to oversee issues of GOVERNANCE
We will have the immediate power to deal with poor performance, unprofessional behavior, dishonesty etc
Issues like AX, sickening Law Courts, out-of-control police will be quickly addressed by professional managers.

…this is THE way to privatize Barbados.

Plausible deniability is a phrase the Americans use

The two rapes and release of Mr. Crawford has just been broadcast as the lead story on BBC World Service. Can you imagine how many MILLIONS of people have now heard about this?

Another thing: today’s Nation refers to Andrew Pilgrim giving an exclusive interview to the Nation. Why would he do this if true?

What are the BEST civil servants doing about this humiliating situation? Where is the PM on this? Where is the CJ for whom the laws were changed? There is a deafening silence! Where is the Minister of foreign affairs?

What has happened to the case of the female Jamaican drug mule who was raped while in custody? Now two more policemen are charged with rape and theft of visitors. It seems that we have a predatory problem in the civil service.

Isn’t it about time to start cleaning out the government closets? Who is in charge of this banana Republic?

Hands up who read today’s Nation editorial!

Here is a quote which floored BU, “It (judiciary) is sometimes under attack, and unfairly so, for the length of time it may take to get some matters heard or the number of adjournments given before a matter is finally disposed of.” Well doggone it!

There is a symbiotic relationship between the Police and the Prosecutors, the Police arrest and lay the charges and the DPP’s department prosecute. They have their own “don’t ask don’t tell” when it comes to how evidence is procured. The DPP or his department are not going to go out and criticise the Police otherwise they will work to rule when it comes to arrest and detention and we would have thrown out the baby with the bathwater.

Taped confessions are a good idea but that wouldn’t stop the Police from taking a suspect out on some cart road as they did years ago to “soften” him up. More recently in Chicago many people confessed to crimes that they were innocent of because of relentless Police questioning and they have “taped” interviews and confessions.

As to the role of the CJ, it is a Judicial precept that Judges do not discuss/comment on any issue that is before the Courts, Judges never tell Prosecutors whom to prosecute, they consider the evidence presented and provide their rulings.

Are changes needed? A few months ago a Policeman was the subject of Internal discipline and he threatened to expose the wiretapping of Bajans that the Police was engaged in, suddenly the charges disappeared into the ether, Bajans should be worried about that.

bushie what does not make sense is you taking a complex situation which is obvious in need of radical change and compartamentalising it .the fact still remains in order to separte “goat from sheep” a stand must be taken and it starts with “we the people”whose voices must be heard asking questions and seeking answer and not just a “laisserfaire ” approach or simplifying these matters as to what society has become as a whole..

@ BAFBFP
….what lawyer what?!?
He only got interested after a rich woman offered to pay….
…and his comments afterwards focused on the “bravery of his clients” (the women WHO PAID HIM) and not on the gross injustice to the innocent man…..
His lack of outrage was notable to Bushie…… Obviously a consequence of being a regular participant in the warped process.

….and those three women are no “brave heroes”. They are just regular, mature adults accustomed to behaving like mature adults in a mature society. they are certainly not “donkey lickers” like most Bajans are….
Just like Clement Payne had to come from Trinidad to open our foolish eyes, these ladies had to come all the way from England to do the same thing in 2012….

Bush

I agree …

Has the Chairman of the Police Complaints Authority been driven to make a statement on this matter yet? A complaint was lodged with his office? Another toothless agency?

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/021095.html

BU is pleasantly surprised to read that President of the Bar Andrew Pilgrim has added his voice, albeit late, to a call for Commissioner Dottin to go! He also called for AG Adreil Brathwaite to get involved (whistling in the wind)

President of the Bar Association of Barbados, Andrew Pilgrim, believes that if Commissioner of Police, Darwin Dottin, does not properly investigate the case of former rape accused, Derick Crawford, he needs to go.
In addition, Pilgrim suggested that Dottin should come forward and make a statement on the issue, while Attorney General Adriel Brathwaite needs to get involved in the case.
Pilgrim offered these suggestions earlier today while speaking to the Press at his office on Whitepark Road, the City, following the acquittal of Crawford at the Holetown Magistrates Court yesterday.
http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2012/12/14/speak-mr-commissioner/

@miller

Perhaps the DDP will say that he was given an air tight case by the COP.

@Piece Uh De Rock Yeah Right!

You are correct that we tend to show outrage by events which tend to expose our psychology/history. It is what it is.

Is this CoP for real? What case study what?

Case study

COMMISSIONER OF POLICE Darwin Dottin (File Picture)
By Dawne Parris | Tue, December 18, 2012 – 12:11 AM

COMMISSIONER OF POLICE Darwin Dottin will today begin a series of meetings with officials within and outside the Police Force before speaking publicly on the dismissal of two rape cases against a man whose British “victims” had insisted on his innocence.

But the police chief said that the dismissal of the charges did not prove the innocence of former double-rape accused Derick David Rudolph Crawford, who now wants to sue the state for malicious prosecution and false imprisonment.

Dottin has also defended the overall competence of investigators.

It was last Thursday that Crawford, who was charged with raping researcher Dr Rachel Turner and retired teacher Diane Davies in separate incidents in October 2010, had his cases dismissed.

Two women were raped. The rapist has not been caught.The complainants are cooperative.

Commissioner please put together a team of detectives to investigate. You have to be completely devoid of intelligence not to do this.

Perhaps, and this is just a perhaps, Commissioner may have to send a couple of his sleuths to interrogate the Britishers again?

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Son just saw a man dressed in all black by a track where an elderly lady lives alone, when my son saw him he shouted at him, the man tell my son ‘just keep walking’ Some one enlighten me, is 211 not the Police emergency number?????
So why is that I am calling it at 10.40p and no one is answering the phone I am still waiting 5 minutes later, further 5 minutes and someone finally answers and sounds annoyed that I disturbed them……stupes.
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Marva Lashley-Todd……. I had to call them tonight too and the phone rang off and I called back again. I was on Lower Broad St and a minibus B169 Hillaby came around by COB and stop. Some people ran out and then I saw people fighting. The bus then came around to the front of the Mutual Building and the people were throwing bottles and still fighting. I had to call twice…totally ridiculous!
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Bajan Scorpian …..Small that’s why we pay taxes??????
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Ruby Niles ……Scorps this is the kinda stuff (people lurking and talking bout ‘keep walking’) that makes me stay home TOO much.. And Toddie, I thought there was supposed to be heavy police presence at Xmas time. tsk tsk. Wunnah int realize wunnah either wake up …See More
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Bajan Scorpian ………Small what made me pissed da police ask me ‘so what u want us do patrol the area????? that’s ya job right????? stupes
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Bajan Scorpian…… Small That’s why I have very little respect for them, they are in a job where they really could not careless until pay day and the gall to be asking for more money
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