Chief Justice Marston Gibson, heads the Judicial and Legal Services Commission

The following extracted from the Sunday Sun September 23, 2012:

“A High Court is being asked to block the appointment of a Crown Counsel in the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP). In an unprecedented legal development, attorney at law Elwood Watts, who acted as Crown Counsel in the DPP’s office for the past six years, is seeking an injunction against the Judicial and Legal Services Commission, chaired by Chief Justice Marston Gibson and includes Appeal Court Justice Sandra Mason and High Court Justice Maureen Crane-Scott.

Attorney at law Alison Burke, who was recently admitted to the Bar, was to take up the permanent appointment as Crown Counsel effective September 1. But in his court filings challenging the decision of the Judicial and Legal Services Commission to ratify Burke’s appointment, Watts has complained that the position of Crown Counsel was never advertised as required by law. As a result, the former police sergeant who has been on secondment to the DPP’s office, said he never had a chance to secure the appointment.

Reports indicated that Burke, who was attached to the Ministry of Health as a staff nurse prior to her appointment, never had any experience in court proceedings. A date is to be set for hearing of the injunction.”

As is often the case, the half baked report deposited into the public space by the Nation newspaper has generated several questions in the BU household, questions which a little probing by a rookie journalist should have felt obligated to ask the relevant parties and laid bare for an unenlightened public.

Is this a junior or a senior position? The way the Nation puts it, it sounds like a senior position, but is it? Would it have required Holmes-like ability to have informed the public to enable it to ‘adjudge’ the matter?

  1. BU would be interested to know what are the conditions of such an appointment? Is it required that it be advertised? (Caswell?) How come the young lady could send in an application and was presumably interviewed and appointed – and the person acting, not know and do the same?

What modicum of legal knowledge is available to BU suggests that this is a matter of public interest and therefore the Nation newspaper does not have the usual escape route available to it by howling SUB JUDICE.

If we were to generously critique the report, it seems unbalanced and reflects an investigation of one side only. The newspaper appears not to have asked any questions of the DPP et al, including CJ Gibson. All questions which a worthy Fourth Estate should have felt entitled to ask in the circumstances. BU can speculate why from reading between the lines Elwood Watts feels he is entitled to the job.

BU and many others, except the so called Fourth Estate, have remarked critically MANY times on the delays coming from the DPP and how people are left on remand for YEARS due to failure to prosecute in a timely manner. This is not only the fault of the courts, but also the DPP. BU and many others, except the so called Fourth Estate, have remarked critically MANY times on the delays coming from the DPP and how people are left on remand for YEARS due to failure to prosecute in a timely manner. This is not only the fault of the courts, but also, largely, of the DPP.  Watts has been a part of that problem for 6 years. Unfortunately because of the lack of proper reporting by the Nation, we have to consider that he was passed over or not invited to apply because he was unsatisfactory as Barbados tries to upgrade its judicial system.

There is so much more which can be gleaned from the report but BU is only a blog so why bother.

  1. Over and over..... Avatar
    Over and over…..

    Why would the vacancy not have been advertised?

    What harm would it have done?


  2. I understand that the woman at Personnel Administration whatever she name is, is responsible for all the ignorance happening all over the Public Service. ( A WOMAN AGAIN–CHEESE ON BOTHERS)

    It seems that the world now start with she, the Public Service now starts with she. so that anything that she came and found is not valid. My own iterpretation of what I have heard is that if you have GCE -O Levels and A level, those are less acceptable now—you must have CXCs. Your degree if it is old, you inspite of whatever experience you have , are being by-passed. Get a today degree from UWI or you aint saying nothing. The world start when she assume the position so nothing gone before is valid.

    Bare folishness going on in the Public and the Lazy -ass DLP and its Prime Minister AINT DOING NOTHING ABOUT IGNORANT ASS PEOPLE IN POSITIONS IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE. THESE PEOPLE ARE MASSIVE SQUARE PEGS IN ROUND HOLES LIKE THE WOMAN AT PERSONNEL . THE SQUARE PEGS IN ROUND HOLES ARE IN TURN APPOINTING MORE SQUARE PEGS IN OBLONG HOLES.

    Meanwhile people getting frustrated and going home early and this is having a dehablitating effect on Government’s coffers.

    The woman at PAD needs moving and bringing somebody else. –Simple !!! Freundel Stuart and his ministers dont seem to understand what going on or how to deal with um. They too busy trying to save their own craw with elections due . Things in Barbados————-Bad !!!

    The people in the Public are telling me that the Public Service in a Big Stinking Mess–I have many friends who are Public Servants, cousins who work in Government Offices and they tell me things bad bad bad . The supersession and qualification order along with a badly run PAD is causing stress in the various Government Departments.

    They say to Ask Caswell Franklyn–that he would know but Caswell is not with the BUPW anymore so how much can he know ??

    JUST ASKING !!


  3. @Just Asking

    Are you talking about *Chief Personnel Officer: Ms. Gail Atkins?*


  4. @Over and over….. | September 23, 2012 at 3:54 PM. I would like that answered as well. WHY?

    I would also like to know why the Nation has slanted its report to make it look as if Gibson CJ, Mason AJ and Crane-Scott J are responsible. The adverting of the position within the DPP is the responsibility of the DPP, not of the panel. When the applicants are brought before the panel, those applicants are short-listed by the DPP, not by the panel. I don’t like these sorts of political games by newspapers. Shabby and tacky, is the best way to describe that report and I completely agree with David and BU. Half-assed reporting, but typical of the Nation.


  5. Reports indicated that Burke, who was attached to the Ministry of Health as a staff nurse prior to her appointment, never had any experience in court proceedings

    IF THIS IS SO HOW/WHY COULD THIS PERSON SECURE THE POSITION IN QUESTION. SEEMS THAT THEY ARE NOT QUALIFIED/PREPARED.


  6. @GP

    It depends on what was the job requirements. Was experience a prerequisite?


  7. Sorry, I jus’ like the song dah is all, dah is all, dah is all …!


  8. “Reports indicated that Burke, who was attached to the Ministry of Health as a staff nurse”

    So this lawyer was working as a staff nurse?Now she is going to be Crown Counsel in the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP).

    I will let others comment on this because I thought the DPP would want experienced lawyers.

    If a Nurse/Lawyer can be a Crown counsel, GP you could go home and be the CEO,head of internal medecine and surgery,chief pharmacist and Architect of the new QEH and be Bishop of Barbados on Sundays.


  9. Do not kill the messenger: the Nation is merely reporting the facts without analysis. The Employment and Recruitment Code of the Public Service Act requires at paragraph 2 that vacancies shall be advertised, It states:

    2. Job opportunities or vacant offices shall be advertised or published within the Public Service or outside Barbados as the case may require and all relevant information in respect of a vacant office shall be accessible to prospective applicants and shall include:

    (a) the statutory qualifications required;

    (b) the duties, functions and responsibilities of the office;

    (c) the major terms and conditions of service applicable to the office

    (d) a description of the skills, competencies, experience and personal qualities required; and

    (e) the nature of the procedure of the selection process that shall be based on relevant criteria that are applied to all candidates.

    If as reported the Judicial and Legal Service Commission made the decision to appoint some one to fill the post of crown counsel without advertisement, it would be ironic that the Chief Justice presiding over a panel of judges would opt to ignore the law.

    This matter with Mr. Watts is not an isolated case; it is just that he had the guts to challenge the unlawful act. Just last week the same thing occurred at National Insurance and when the workers appealed to the NUPW, they were told that the union supported the decision.

    The law did not say, “may” it said, “shall” and as far as I am aware, it is mandatory to advertise vacancies in the Public Service. That provision was inserted in the legislation to legitimise supersessions but now it has come back to bite them in the tail.


  10. @Caswell

    Thanks

    Regarding your opening comment where you elected not to criticize your employer BU will let it pass:

    Do not kill the messenger: the Nation is merely reporting the facts without analysis.


  11. @Hants
    Re If a Nurse/Lawyer can be a Crown counsel, GP you could go home and be the CEO,head of internal medecine and surgery,chief pharmacist and Architect of the new QEH and be Bishop of Barbados on Sundays.

    MY FRIEND THANK YOU FOR REALIZING THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO DO ALL OF THE ABOVE.LOL


  12. BAFBFP

    I am coming around: I am starting to like how you think. I like the song too. That is all, that is all.


  13. “he was passed over or not invited to apply because he was unsatisfactory as Barbados tries to upgrade its judicial system”.

    David, your above assumption is just as bad as how you perceive the Nation writing. It is plain and simple since someone who was acting in the position or close to the position was overlooked and in comes a green horn and given the position. Maybe, the plan is to “nurse” the problems in the DPP. I agree with the Nation and Mr. Watts.


  14. @Tell me why

    Do you know what is the difference between a report and news? Because of the report in the Nation we are all ignorant of what is happening here. Have you seen Watts personnel file? Maybe you should before you begin to hold a firm position.

    BU is asking question, wish more of you would do the same.


  15. This Lawyer has “acted as Crown Counsel in the DPP’s office for the past SIX (6) YEARS.

    If he has not performed well enough to be appointed to the post after 6 years then his boss/supervisor should be fired.


  16. Hants

    I agree with you but that is not the important issue. The real problem is not whether Mr. Watts is a good, bad or indifferent lawyer: it is if the Judicial and Legal Service Commission acted contrary to the law in filling the particular post. I copied and pasted the relevant paragraph of the Employment and Recruitment Code, in my comment at 6:17 pm, which suggest to me if no one else that the commission acted contrary to law in making this appointment. But that is not unusual in making judicial and legal service appointments even at the highest level.


  17. Do you know what is the difference between a report and news?

    Since we are all ignorant to the fact,…..we can say firmly that the REPORT is now making NEWS. BTW, did you see the appointee CV and past experience in the court system and how many cases she dealt with. Come on David, you are showing a glaring bias. How can Barbados upgrade its judicial system by overlooking experience with a neophyte.


  18. Caswell, yes the LSC has the power to appoint or in this case to disappoint. However, it is about time that a cap should be placed on the time someone should “act” in a position before being automatically appointed to the position. Next thing you are going to hear is someone being on probation for six years as in the case of Watts.


  19. @Caswell

    you are misleading the blog. The woman was employed at the supervisor of insurance office, and chose not to go with the fincanical service authority, she is an appointed officer and was home drawing a salary all this time, the decision was taken to have post established in NIS where she could be appointed to, and it turned out that it was at the level of inspector two more increments than what she was getting after being home all this time. Thats not the way to try to
    get members. Mr. Franklyn.

    Remember she ahad an appoinment in the supervisro of insurance office


  20. @David

    after three years acting in a post a person is entilted to pension as that leve.. i dont know the gentleman, but if he is allowed to act for six years and he was not performing then his supervisor or those who fail to act shoud be dealt with

    The public service act when enacted deemed that person who had acted for three years at decemeber 31, 2007 should be appointed where there was a vacancy. The act should be amended to appoint all those persons who have acted for three years. Managers need to be honiest when workers are not performin, but there is so much incest it cannot happen…


  21. @David

    the post should have been advertised as mandated by law and all persons that were interedted should have an opportunity to apply, That posioon is a junior position, but something seems fishy that she went into the position appointes, when other people normally acts first. Was there politics involved in this one

    there is a case at NSC where one of the banfiled girls was doing sessional work for over 11 years and there is a clear vacancy and the Board wanst to appoint someone who is considered a johny come lately.


  22. @to the point

    BU is aware when it comes to government all is not always black and white, it is why we have questioned the report produced by the Nation. A report which tells us nothing.

    Caswell’s point remains though, why did the Commission appoint the lady if the post was not advertised.


  23. @David

    regardless of the experience rquired for this entry level position(i am sure that caswell can check the statutory requirments for such a post) the act states that such post must be advertised, i dont know if there was a change bit the act also stated that no post should remain vacant for more than a year, and if i were a public officer and i acted in a vancat post for more than a year i would challenge the government should it try to appoint someone ahead of me

    persons who deal with personnel, such as personnel administration should know that act by hear, The members of the Judicial Services Commission should have asked was the post advertised according to the act, remember i am assuming that mr. watts case is correct that it was not advertised. This case was mentoned during the training for the PRDS at gynasium last week and those lawyers present had a field day on it.


  24. Why would this matter go to court unless there was a deviation by the government from the regulation. Would love to read Watts file to establish the basis for acting for 6 years and what he/government did about it.


  25. Tell Me Why

    A cap has already been placed on the time a person should act in a post. Section 13 (11) of the Public Service Act states:

    No established office in the Public Service shall be allowed to remain vacant for a period of more than one year except
    (a) permission to allow the vacancy is granted by the Governor-Feneral on the advice of the Service Commission; or
    (b) the office has been frozen by the Minister.

    This is another case where the Personnel Administration Division and a commission is ignoring the law when it does not suit them.

    To the Point

    I do not lie for my benefit. The lady involved was in fact employed by the former office of Supervisor of Insurance. There was no comparable post for her in the service and the PM as minister of the Public Service created a post at NIS and she was assigned to it.

    There are a number of problems with that procedure: the post that was created is that of Insurance Officer. No one has been appointed to that post at NIS without the certificate in social security (I think that is the name) from UWI. She does not have that qualification. Others that I can name have been denied a similar appointment because they did not have that qualification; the Public Service Act does not allow the PAD to just assign a person to a permanent post on a permanent basis unless there were interviews. This is mandatory.

    To the Point don’t accuse me of inappropriate conduct unless you first get your facts straight. By the way, did her appointment have anything to do with the fact that her recently deceased father was a former president of St. James South Branch of the DLP. Don’t trouble me: I know more than you think.


  26. @Caswell Franklyn,
    You are guided by your considerable knowledge of Civil service rules etc. but as man, it is completely absurd to allow a person to “act” in a position for more than one or two years without evaluating the person’s performance with a view to appointing them to the position.


  27. @Caswell

    Are you aware what has been done or is to be done to the lady who was sent home from the Supervisor of Insurance who blew the whistle on the CLCIO mess? Are taxpayers still paying here all this time?


  28. neither one of them is experienced for this job.!


  29. @caswell

    i might know more than you think also. You are forgetting one thing, the Pm responsible for Civil Establishment has the authority to equate the experience. my question to you is, what level was her post in the supervisor of insurance office

    You know full well that u r courting nis staff and hence you are taking such a harline position. The woman had a position in the service and what would you have done to her, where else would you have place her. This is not the first time sometime like this has happened. i dont care who her father was and which party he had belonged to. a solution had to be found and that was the best solution in the circumstance, but done you come here trying to destroy the reputation of a union which ahd emplyed you. The Union agreed that that was the best outcome. What should happen is that the union should fight for the oppoinment of the officers who u claim have been acting for such a long time

    you must not twist things to suit your purpose.


  30. @Hants

    those persons who do not have an until further notice acting appointment, have evaluations sugmitted every six months by their supervsors, before the 2007 act people could have destiyed people caree by telephone, but persons must now see any report written and must state whether they agree or disagree with such a report.


  31. So a story is beginning to emerge here. We have a government employee who may or may not be qualified for the Crown Counsel’s job. Her status is one of ‘unplaced’ because of the establishment of the FSC and the subsequent merger of the supervisor of insurance office with the FSC. Hmmm, not so straight forward now is it? In the private sector if a similar situation occurs the lady get priority placement if qualified, the person who is seconded would have to give way. But this is the public service…lol.


  32. I am not twisting anything to suit my purpose: I am merely pointing out what the law requires. I did not past the Public Service Act; as a matter of fact, I was one of the few that opposed it. The procedure that they adopted would have been lawful under the provisions of the 1978 Public Service Regulations that were repealed by the new act. You can’t change the law and then go back to it to find a solution for your friends.

    The Minister with responsibility for the Public Service can create a post but he has no authority to fill it. It is the duty of the Public Service Commission to fill the post and they must start the process by advertising the post as required by law.

    Incidentally, I am not courting NIS staff using this issue. They called me because they were let down by the response from NUPW which supported the breach of the law.


  33. David

    I am afraid that you are confusing yourself. You are blending two different scenarios.


  34. @Caswell

    Not confusing the issue, simply doing a comparison with private sector. At this stage as far as this matter is concerned we are asking questions and debating the issue. That’s is all!


  35. David (11:25)

    As far as I know, that lady is still on Government’s payroll. She is professional and neither party treated he well. She trained the last three or four supervisors of insurance and did not merit the appointment even though she was qualified for the post. An equitable solution is not being sought for her because she does not have the appropriate party passport.


  36. @Caswell

    I asked you a question, what was the minister for responsibility for the service to do, that lady had a post to shich she was appointed. People call you what. You get on this blog and parade as being so righteous and u benifitted from political patronage and therefore has no legitimacy to talk on such issies.
    Do u belive that u r the only persons on this blog know whats happening, if you think so continue to fool yourself.


  37. David

    If you are not confusing two issues then you have a mistake in the comment, you should have said that she may or may no be qualified for the post of INSURANCE OFFICER at NIS and not crown counsel as you stated.


  38. @Caswell

    Thanks, this is a very unfortunate situation. Someone needs to understand that although she is getting paid it must be an unnerving situation she finds herself. Not good at all. The PM really needs to clean up the civil service but unfortunately he does not have the time now.


  39. @Caswell

    Stand corrected, it was a fair assumption to make but this is the civil service which as you have been saying for a long time cannot avoid the tentacles of the politicians.


  40. To the point

    Winton Campbell had a post to which he was appointed; the nurses and other employees at QEH had posts to which they were appointed; the people at the Airport had post to which they were pointed; the thirteen people at UDC had post to which they were appointed. You get my drift. The Minister creates or abolish posts: he does not fill them.

    By the way, when I was involved in politics, I never hid my affiliation. But even now you are letting your political affiliation blind you to what is legal. Mind you, I did not say what is right. The politicians like you should seek to change the law to ensure that what is legal and what is right coincide, not ignore the law when it suits you. That is the beginning of anarchy.


  41. To The Point—you are defending you employer NUPW,you like me are retired but you are still employed by nupw and you have the experiene of working with the Auditor General –you know you are wrong but you keep covering up for union friends ,youwerealso an executive member under Harper,Small,Drakes,and Maloney –you also served on the NIS tribuneral represting NUPW .do not miss lead bu on these matters you and your friend balance


  42. Regardless of however it is spun, it would appear on the surface that Mr. Watts has a case. These situations often occur in Barbados with the hope that they will not see the light of day or be challenged through fear, emotional distress or the likihood of intimidation in the future.

    The webs spun often trap the unwary, hence those with the final word in making appointments always have to be on their guard. Even if he is successful, will it make a difference, I doubt it and therin lies the sadness. Qualifications, merit, honesty, integrity and ability matter little if you are not connected to the right set or sub-set and as a Nation we will continue to do so until there is a fundamental change in the way things are done in Barbados.

    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
    I must disagree with Caswell’s comment. September 23, 2012 @ 10:00PM
    . . . “The real problem is not whether Mr. Watts is a good, bad or indifferent lawyer” . . .

    The Law should be followed it is true as a framework has been set for appointments but within that framework it states:
    (d) A description of the skills competencies, experience and personal qualities required and

    (e) the nature of the procedure of the selection process shall be based on relevant criteria that are applied to all candidates.”

    I therefore put it that the relevant criteria here are skills as a Lawyer since this is a Legal Appointment and if he/she is “good, bad or indifferent” in exercising those skills. It therefore matters and is of “great importance” if he/she is good, bad or indifferent. as clearly those are within the requirements of (d).


  43. “Her status is one of ‘misplaced’ because of the establishment of the FSC and the subsequent merger of the Supervisor of Insurance office with the FSC” mixing up yourself David, two different scenarios -read the comments carefully.


  44. An equitable solution is not being sought for her because she does not have the appropriate party passport.”
    and pedigree as well.


  45. @caswell

    when you were placed in a position paying you over five thousanand dollars a month, without even a degree, and people with qualification have to start in much lower positions paying much less, u had no problem. At the end each year u were eligible for a contract gratuity of over 10 thousand dollars, an intereste free loan of thirty five dollars now 50 000, a fixed travelling allowance of almost four hundred dollars a month, which was not taxed at the time as well as a telephone allowaance and what people lije you paid to do, nothing.

    you got the gall to talk about political interference among other things, you have no legitimacy to speak to such.

    @Erice
    I am not Charles Skeete, I think he supports the BLP, so come again. But it does mot matter who we are, blogginh allows us to be anonymous.


  46. Can we stay away from trying to identify people please?

    @balance

    The point here is that a Commission comprised of our top lawyers presided over this transaction.

    The point is here is a lawyer who acted in the role for 6 years which should not have occurred.

    The point is the female is ‘known’ to the establishment.

    The point is as Yardbroom hints, it matters not the qualifications of this man, the transaction is now bound in legalese.

    How can our system improve if decisions are not allowed to be made on the merit of the case? This is a point Caswell has made repeatedly, too much politics, to much school tie. As Bush Yea would say, we are doomed.

    This is why when BU read the innocuous report in the Nation we felt that there was a lot the public should have been exposed to without violating any sub judice protocol.


  47. BU understands the comment also that the Commission is about selection and not about whether the post was advertised but this is Barbados and if the CJ is serious about getting the right people in the right jobs he needs to accept that there is a culture which has to be managed.


  48. Also what is interesting is that this matter is known to several of the bloggers, what does this tell us? How can we be serious about building our country?

    @Tell me why

    Hope you are reading with understanding to appreciate that all that glitters is not gold. The only way things will change is to bring it to the public a la AX it seems. A shame!


  49. @David

    there is an article in the nation about this young lady who is turning heads on the runaway that was raised in an orphanage, i believe that is an article that you can reproduce here to let us see how the bloggers would comment on it.


  50. The public service act when enacted deemed that person who had acted for three years at decemeber 31, 2007 should be appointed where there was a vacancy. The act should be amended to appoint all those persons who have acted for three years. Managers need to be honiest when workers are not performin, but there is so much incest it cannot happen…

    THIS IS WHAT THE GOVERNMENT TRIED TO DO BUT WAS BLOCKED BY UNIONS WHO PLAY POLITICS . THE GOVERNMENT TRIED TO APPOINT ALL PERSONS WHO WERE ACTING BUT THE UNIONS BLOCKED.

    THE IDEA OF ADVERTISING POSTS IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE IS STUPID —
    PEOPLE SHOULD BE APPOINTED BASED ON APTITUDE , EXPERIENCE AND SENIORITY.
    THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH DOING IT SO—NOTHING AT ALL. IT WORKS !

    WHEN PEOPLE REACH A CERTAIN LEVEL , THEY SHOULD BE TRAINED AND RETRAINED. SOME POSITIONS DO NOT NEED A DEGREE; PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE AND TRAINING PLUS MENTOR-SHIP CAN DO IT.
    ALL THE PRESENT SITUATION IS DOING IS CAUSING PEOPLE TO GET DEGREES THAT THEY DONT REALLY UTILIZED IN THEIR JOBS AND CREATING CONFUSION AND DISCRIMINATION IN THE PROCESS. THE PEOPLE WITH DEGREES FEEL THAT THEY SUPERIOR TO ALL OTHERS. THE ONES WITHOUT FEEL INFERIOR AND FEEL THAT PEOPLE WITH DEGREES KNOW IT ALL –THERE ARE SUPER HUMAN—PURE FOLLY

    BARBADIANS ARE IDIOTS—-

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