Brigitte Gabriel Speaks At Anti-Shariah Conference

“Brigitte Gabriel focuses on Islamic infiltration into the American education system. This intuitive and highly intelligent lady knows exactly what’s going on in our nation today and boldly explains in detail without regard to any ridiculous political correctness whatsoever. You may be shocked to learn what is going on in our public schools today. This subject could not have been explained any better.”

208 thoughts on “Brigitte Gabriel Speaks At Anti-Shariah Conference


  1. Seriously though this woman does not even sound American and if there is any brain washing going on, it most certainly seems like she is a victim.

    Americans in the main are purposely kept in the dark on the myriad of crimes of its agents/agencies in a number of defenseless territories around the world. Many of them prefer just simply to remain numb. The Jews spend billions on keeping their “lobbies” alive and receive billions in weapons and technology support.

    Would this ass of a woman at least admit that Israel is a nuclear power?


  2. There is now the Roti Hut in Hastings offering Halal. There is Amir’s Chicken (Halal) processors killing the birds according to Muslim tradition. Before the birds are killed Muslims pray over the birds and offer them to a god.

    I wonder how many Christians in Barbados know this, as they aren’t suppose to eat meat offered to other gods.

    Would Muslims eat meat a Christian bless in the name of Jesus?


  3. I am just wondering if it would be more acceptable to teach Americans about Military Strikes, Drones, Collateral Damage, Regime Change, Special Rendition, Black sites, Daisey Cutters and all of these nice sounding terminologies … “Freedom Agenda”, “Operation Iraqi Freedom”, “Homeland Security” … What a crock ..!


  4. anon

    You ass even I an Atheist, recognizes that the God of the Muslims is the same as that of the Christians …


  5. The more pertinent questions are…….If Bajans could afford MEAT …and if and when last they EAT any ?….anon and I serious too, when last you went to a supermarket and see people buying MEAT..Meat is a luxury nowadays buddy.


  6. Onions,

    Which country you livin’ in? Andrew Bynoe now expand a place there in Carlton, things so sweet … people enough buying pork … and you could bet that they are not Muslims.


  7. Thank you for your brilliant reply and vast knowledge, because you have now made it all clear that this god is a Schizophrenic. But could you kindly explain to humble folk like myself why the same God said don’t eat these meats with one breath, and with the other breath said the meats should be offered to me in accordance with Sharia law?

    Await your informed reply, as I can only muster that he might be bipolar, or something, and if we decide to add a few more religions. May the Lord help us.


  8. @BAFBFP
    We dun know you stuck like a pig…pun d pork ting..fa real I can’t remember when last I eat meat..and if you took a survey …(stand up at Bynoe’s supermarket with a form)..I am sure, you would see my point holds. Not only are people glad to hear its not the most healthy , but their budgets are stretched.
    Time you pokers do the same..PEACE


  9. anon

    How dear you claim to know the mind(s) of a God … How men interpret through their writings does nothing to negate the concept of and belief in a single all omnipotent God (which of course means nothing to me). Sorry, I always have difficulty trying to reason with a ego …!

    Onions

    I just get back from Carlton and I check the five people ahead of me at the cash register. All, ALL of them had whole chickens.


  10. @BAFBFP
    You must have serious listening problems as this lady made it abundantly clear that she was an immigrant.

    I spoke with Brigitte and asked her your question about Israel having nukes and she is keen to arrange for you to be strapped to the one being prepared for Iran so you can return to your twin brother IamANutJob. LOL

    I do agree with most of your other observations BUT the reality is that Sharia Law MUST never be permitted in the West. Regardless of the transgressions of the leadership in the West, which do require much modification, Sharia is the prerogative of Muslim controlled countries to which all Muslims, that insist on such practice are absolutely free to return.

    There should be absolutely NO deliberation on the topic since we have our own laws. I am confident that if Sharia was functioning so brilliantly for such immigrants to the West, the vast majority would have stayed put and never immigrated.


  11. Moneybrain

    So you agree then that it is difficult (impossible) to reason with an ego …!

    Any practice that disregards the full value of women should be shut down. But teaching self defense even for territories is somehow wrong …?

    Onions

    I live next door .. ha ha ha ha


  12. Am traveling. A woman like this we can get to same the complete opposite if paid a 10,000 dollar honorarium. Within the American context you can even get university professors to argue the world is round. It will cost about 500 – 600 grand per year. Her’s is merely scare mongering.


  13. @BAFBFP

    I will agree with you that many religions are based on the interpretation of men, but the differences in these religions are too vast to be blamed on interpretation alone.


  14. @Pachamama
    You betray your intelligence by saying this woman is an idiot because she obviously comes from a Sharia ruled country/ background ( she originates from Lebanese Christian roots) and KNOWS, unlike you, how brutally suppressed the populace and especially women are treated.(to say nothing about how Christians were murdered by Muslims and her near perfect homeland destroyed)

    You are resorting to the very same brainwashing you accuse the US et al of using on all and sundry.


  15. anon

    A Barbadian engineer, an expert in Islam and Christianity, I forgot his name, published a book about two years ago on the subject that says the exact opposite. He defended his work on BU and endured the wrath of the pseudo Christians on this site …!


  16. I have just listen to what the lady had to say and if this happening in American schools it is a very sad day.

    Muslims tend to sit quietly until they are a significant portion of any community, and then start to attack its laws, and all other religions physically.

    If you take a look at the news out of the east you will see muslims fighting against Hindus, and Christians. As we in Barbados say, they pick fights with everybody.


  17. @Moneybrain
    Your lack of intelligence portrays a level if ignorance that is difficult to estimate. First, you assume that we are encumbered by your local bajan circumstances. Secondly, you display the absence of an understanding about the local Lebanese socio-political construction. Thirdly, you assumes that because somebody is born in a country that may practice an interpretation of sharia that that solitary view is representative of the population. All these are caricatures fed to you by your media. In short, from your drivel it is fair to assume that you have been locked all your life on a small cultural rock, have had limited interactions with Islam or Muslims. These issues are too complex and therefore It is impossible for us to reverse your intellectual deficit with these few words.


    • The examples the speaker uses to illustrate her points, why don’t we challenge them instead of using a wholesale argument to dismiss what she is saying.


  18. @ David
    OK, we submit that all these arguments from the ultra-right of the political establishment in American have all, long been discredited. That you have judged that this ignorance should be given voice is unfortunate. Yes, I know that you will give me your dissertation about free speak and the need for a broad ranges of views. We admit, this is always needed, especially in many countries of the Islamic world. However, how that these ends be met if you start with an anti-Islamic demagogue who has no interest in the deeper civilisational issues. This fool does not even seem to understand the political environment. She harshly criticizes the Saudis who are close allies to the same American political establishment that she seek to defend. What kind of real discussions can be based on lies? And if we start with a pact of lies where do we end – another christian-crusader war against another Islamic country?

    Let’s go to a practical issue. Halal is the part of sharia that requires that food to handled in certain ‘healthy’ ways. For example, animals must be healthy before they are slaughtered, all the blood must be drained from their bodies and a religious authority must certify that this and other injunctions are observed. Nothing in this SHARIA practice is different to the Jewish requirement for KOSHER. And we can site 10,000 other similarities. Most importantly, Muslims in the West are merely saying they want to practice Sharia just like the Jews and other peoples do their own customs in relationship to marriage and other domestic legal issues like divorcee etc. This demand does not represent any challenge to ‘western civilization’. In Britain and elsewhere the Jewish peoples handle these issues with their communities and there is no arguments about the Jewdiization of Britain. Does anybody reading this knows that in a Jewish restaurant ONLY a Rabbi can turn on the stove? Of course there are similarities in Zoroastrianism but this is too long a story.

    This fair demands from Muslims in the west for certain human rights has been deliberately mis-characterized as a small part of a wider crusade to steal the resources of the Muslim nations of this world. We will always defend them, not because we are Muslims – we are not. Because we have seen this misguided game perpetrated on the peoples of the earth for far too long. The useful idiots like Gabriel et al were never to be satisfied with the blood of one million Iraqis. We never hear these demons when Muslims are bombed and killed every day by American and Israeli drowns and fighter jets in up to ten Islamic countries. To them Muslims right to life id not paramount. I repeat, she’s an idiot and so too are her defenders.


  19. That Lady gave ‘proof’ postive, empirical evidence and FACTS, re the subtle, ISLAMIC, JIHADISTS agenda in American schools, funded by Saudi Arabia et al, for the express purpose, of radicalizing American CHILDREN in schools, to HATE, the their heritage of Judeo/Christian freedom, justice, etc, and be SUBJECTED to ‘Sharia’ law, where women are treated like DOGS.

    She IS exposing what I wrote about here on BU a year or so ago, re CAIR, in America, a well funded, intellectual organization, that HAS been quietly infiltrating American institutions, for the EXPRESS purpose of destroying America from WITHIN, to IMPOSE Islamic, radical Sharia Law, and I was chastized by the likes of another FOOL, here on BU today, whose feet are firmly PLANTED in the MID-AIR, of absolutly BIASED intellectuall DISHONESTY and willfully chosen IGNORANCE, bringing all kinds of ‘Redherring’ distractives, to divert from the FACTS, rationally presented by this Lady, that CANNOT be refuted with any commonsense, objective, by any honest person.

    Only a debased IDIOT, would speak againt this lady’s presentation of Truth and Facts, regarding the subject matter of blatant, JIHADISTS HATRED* festered against America, Israel, and all of Western Civilization!


  20. “Under Sharia law, the clothes you wear, music you listen to, and television you watch would all be censored. Behavior in public is legally restricted and controlled. And Sharia is the ideal social system for those that preach Radical Islam. Sharia is an Arabic term referring to a legal framework to regulate public and private aspects of life based upon specific Islamic teachings. Sharia is an intolerant system that threatens the western ideals of “liberty and justice for all”. Sharia views non-Muslims as second class citizens, sanctions inequality between men and women, prescribes cruel and unusual punishments for crimes, and promotes a restrictive business environment that strangles the freedoms of capitalism.”

    “Sharia does not dominate the rule of law today in western society, but dangerous elements of Sharia are rapidly creeping into institutions across the western world.”

    “Sharia has infiltrated major western financial institutions that now run Sharia Finance or Islamic Banking Divisions. Sharia ideology has a very real influence on the creation of public school curriculums and the publication of textbooks in the United States.”

    “Radical Islamists promote the idea that Muslim communities should be subject to their own separate law. Sharia is currently practiced in Saudi Arabia, Iran and Sudan, three countries which are prone to terrorist influence and funding.”

    “But according to Radical Islam, Sharia should not be confined only to Arab countries. In Europe in particular, due to rising Muslim populations, there is a growing radical movement pushing for the introduction of Sharia. A poll conducted by the London Telegraph reveals that 40 percent of British Muslims want Sharia introduced in Great Britain. It should be no surprise that the Islamic population in Britain is multiplying 10 times faster than the rest of the society,”

    “The goal of Radical Islam is to undermine western society, by destroying individual rights and freedoms. Those promoting Sharia seek to institute laws that oppose the basic human rights observed within secular, liberal, and democratic western states.”

    “The threat of Sharia has even begun to strike in the United States. Today you can find closed communities of Radical Muslims across the United States promoting Radical Islamic ideology and living under localized versions Sharia.”

    “Furthermore, Radical Islam has infiltrated American Corrections Departments, as convicted criminals are being converted en masse to Islam, oftentimes by radical clergymen.”

    “Due to the rapid population growth of Radical Islam in Europe, Sharia is already becoming a reality within specific regions. If we are not careful, we may soon find that aspects of Sharia have infiltrated deep into the heart of American society as well.”
    http://www.radicalislam.org


  21. Pachamama

    I put it you that with all of the discussion that we have had on this blog, even before your time with the likes of Green Monkey and others that David is still caught up with the American perception of the rest of the world. This video should never have been posted in first place. It is indeed an offensive example of conditioning and prejudice


    • @BAFBFP

      You should know BU’s MO by now. Present the side of the argument which will provoke the most commentary. In the process more learning is generated.


  22. It is natural to HATE American foreign policy. You would have to be Blind Deaf and Stupid not to respond with disgust and anger at the shite that has been done over the years in the name of protecting “America’s interests and its way of life”. There really is no moral defense for it. Even this so called international recession is as a result of the American way of doing business, not the Muslims. And this woman speak about Terrorists … my ass …!


  23. David

    You know of course that you have again let the genie (Zoe) out of the bottle. Word Press should fine you for the unnecessary increase in disc space that it will now have to dedicate to storing his drivel …


  24. @ David
    So how does this kind of discussion be helpful? Misguided, aimed to generate traffic on this blog! We are dealing with issues of life and death. The lives of children and old men and women! Why would you want to promote that? And what personal responsibility would you take in the slaughter of Muslims?


    • @Pachamama

      As you well know the East West Christian Islam rhetoric has baked perceptions which will not go away just yet.

      To be honest the exchanges over the years has been very enlightening.

      Continue to engage and share…peace.


  25. @ David
    Notwithstanding, if you want to have a real discussion on these issues we maybe helpful. Of course, the ‘cut and paste’ merchants and the input of the dispensationalists ideologues would be unhelpful.


  26. As anyone who has actually studied the history of Islam knows, shariah law commands all Muslims to engage in jihad, which is warfare to spread Islam (per The Reliance of the Traveller, A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law, Section o9.0, pg. 599). In obedience to shariah, the Muslim Brotherhood’s motto states:

    Allah is our objective

    The Prophet is our guide

    The Qur’an is our law

    Jihad is our way

    And Dying in the Way of Allah is our highest aspiration.


  27. I am currently engaged in a Jihad. For Jihad only means ‘effort’. Even if it meant what the idiots think it means it would be no different that the crusades or holy wars declared by Philip of Spain on all of Europe during the sixteen century.


  28. What Western, Democratic country, is doing THIS* to Muslims?

    News Analysis Sudan Transforming to Next Iran; Gives 500,000-Plus Christians One Week to Leave
    by: Ryan Mauro

    The Sudanese regime is on its way to becoming the next Iran, regardless of whether President Omar Bashir remains in power or not. The country is moving towards becoming a full-blown sharia state, comparable to Iran, Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan under the Taliban. Towards that end, 500-700,000 Christians have been told to pack up and leave by April 8 or they’ll be treated as foreigners.

    The Bashir regime has always been an enemy of the U.S. and those who value human rights, but it is now doing everything it can to please its Islamist opposition. The regime knew it would raise the ire of the Islamists when it allowed the mostly-Christian region of South Sudan to become an independent country. In the hopes of staving off a rebellion, Bashir promised to remodel his country based on sharia law with Arabic as the only official language. He also promised not to seek another term in 2015.

    http://www.radicalislam.org


  29. Imprisoned U.S. Muslim Brotherhood Leader Testifies That Muslim American Society Is Muslim Brotherhood
    The Global Muslim Brotherhood Daily Report

    The Investigative Project has reported that imprisoned U.S. Muslim Brotherhood leader Abdurrahman Alamoudi has testified that the Muslim American Society (MAS) is, in fact, a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. According to the IP report:

    IPT News March 14, 2012 The Muslim American Society (MAS) was created as a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood in America, and continues to serve that function today, a man who once was one of the most influential Muslim political leaders testified in a Virginia courtroom Wednesday.

    “Everyone knows that MAS is the Muslim Brotherhood,” Abdurrahman Alamoudi told federal investigators in a January interview from a federal correctional facility. On the witness stand, Alamoudi claimed not to remember everything he said, but accepted that he had made the statement after government lawyers showed him records of the interview. Alamoudi promised “to testify truthfully and completely at any grand juries, trials or other proceedings in the United States” as part of a 2004 guilty plea. He admitted engaging in illegal transactions with Libya and facilitating a Libyan plot to assassinate then-Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah.
    http://www.radicalislam.org


  30. What is this nonsense about democracy? Only fools believe this propaganda. Look, right now you are in Barbados and you wrongly believe you are in a democracy. We say no. You elect you governments, on one day, every five years, then they tell you what you are to do. Even when they mismanage there are few ways to get them out. to us this is an elected dictatorship. The only beneficiaries of this system are those who have access and can get things done – the corporations mainly.


  31. Islamism From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. This article is about the political Islamic movement. For the religion
    Islamism

    Movements[show]All-India Muslim League ·Muslim Brotherhood ·Hamas ·Hizb-ut-Tahrir ·Jamaat-e-Islami ·Millî Görüş
    Manifestations[show]Islamization ·Islamic economics ·Sex segregation .

    Islamism (Islam+-ism; Arabic: الإسلامية al-ʾislāmiyyah) also Arabic: إسلام سياسي‎ ʾIslām siyāsī , lit., “Political Islam” is set of ideologies holding that Islam is “as much a political ideology as a religion”.[1] Islamism is a controversial term, and definitions of it sometimes vary (see below). Leading Islamist thinkers emphasized the enforcement of Sharia (Islamic law); of pan-Islamic political unity; and of the elimination of NON-MUSLIM, particularly Western MILITARY, ECONOMIC, POLITICAL, SOCIAL, or cultural influences in the Muslim world, which they believe to be incompatible with Islam.[2].

    A Wicked, devious, evil system, of Jihadist, whose sole intent is to CONTROL the world of nations, through Islamic, Sharia Law, where even peaceful Muslims, are BROUGHT under inhuman, terribly degrading human RIGHTS violations, a Satanic system of utter subdugation, and Godless terrrany!


  32. @ David
    We were never persuaded that because you are the ultimate arbiter on this blog that we should demure. How can you expect to get an answer to anything from us when you are reluctant to address the myriad of searching questions that were asked of you by us and BAFBFP? Of all people you should know that we don’t subscribe to the authoritarian or hierarchical model of obeisance as is popular in Barbados.


    • @Pachamama

      BU cannot claim to be the repository of all knowledge concerning all the topics posted. Sometimes our role is to facilitate the discussion. What cannot be refuted is that we have views which attract a large following on both sides of the issue. It is why we finds ourselves where we are.


  33. David,

    @Pachamama

    “What do the opposing responses say to you thus far?”

    David, he cannot even begin to answer, NO REFUTATION is possible, he has NONE to facts and evidence, NONE! He all over the place, scratching here, there, and yonder, denial and wilfull FOLLY!

    He IS* like a ‘Pond-Fly’ driffting about in DRY season, no ‘Pond’ to lite in, so he ends up flying INTO bycyle SPOKES, DEAD!


  34. @ David
    We have never considered that the person who just had something to say can know anything that we don’t know. In fact, let us be more than honest by say that we have never really read anything that that person or his or her cohorts had to say. Why? Because it has never been our view that therein lies an intellectual repository with a capacity to confront ours. We still consider that you< DAVID< should first respond to the critique as above.


  35. @Pachamama
    Firstly, your facts show your level of intelligence to be in doubt as you say that I live in Bim when I have lived 63% of my days in the UK and Canada.

    You posses the uncanny ability to utilise a good vocabulary in the expression of vacuous rationalisations and have totally FAILED to establish any worthwhile point. Try again! Further, you resort to the BAFBFP et al psuedo intellectual standby of discrediting every opponents view by stating that they are victims of the media and for good measure add in how vast your experience is with the religion/ culture etc in question. Really you may become comic with lengthy practice.

    You are sure right that your logic could never reverse anyone’s point of view, no matter how attained.

    I have several Muslim friends who I respect and interact with Muslim professional who are very good at their practices BUT in some cases I have garnered much evidence about their irrational behaviour in dealing with females, religious issues etc.

    Muslims believe that it is their obligation to KILL any Muslim who leaves the religion and indeed the Imams would not condemn such MURDER. This is totally unique versus Christianity, Hinduism, Budhism etc and says volumes about this group. While I believe the majority of Muslims are good peeps the extremists are in the West to convert and conquer PERIOD! These Devils MUST be stopped very DEAD! i agree that the West has mistreated the middle Easterners et al BUT that does NOT mean that I will subscribe to their desires and approach.

    Why is it always the” little radical dictator wannabees” like Pachy and Baffy that are exceedingly eager to censor other POVs and discredit far more balanced and accurate assessments???????????? Surely you chaps would gain much higher respect by accepting that a reasoned response is better than a ridiculous attempt at denigrating others. I appreciate that you chaps are the mental slaves of some derelict or dead Professor and / or authors.

    The truth is that we live in an EVILLY complex world where there is bountiful wrong on both sides of in any conflict.


  36. anonymous42

    A middle class Christian being influenced by Arabs … give a break! She reminds me of a typical White Bajan woman of privileged. So easy to point the finger of suspicion at the Arab governments’ controlling opinion through the media but the same damned thing happens in the West as well. And how the f#ck can the Old Testament be Christianity, the Lebanese Christians certainly got that right. And BTW Catholics do NOT believe in birth control (they spread like African snails) and there are among the most ancient of the Christian followers. One of the first people that American Presidents visit officially on attaining office is the Pope, acknowledging the following of one billion people around the world and the use of the churches as bases for informal espionage in favor of Western interests. The Muslims of the West have good reason to be distrusting of Christians. Check points, hell yes. Pls do not ask me to listen to the whole thing, I ain’ got the time …


  37. Here are more classic examples of this VILE, EVIL, ‘Sharia Law’ as implimented, by Islamic countries, with many more cited in the link that follows.

    PUNISHMENT FOR NON-MARITAL SEX IN ISLAM
    Examples of convictions under Sharia law

    Some examples of recent convictions under Sharia law:

    1996-MAR: Afghanistan: Some strict interpretations of Islamic law calls for the death penalty for any woman found in the company of a man other than a close family member. Sexual activity is assumed to have happened. A woman, Jamila, was found guilty of trying to leave the country with such a man. She was caught and stoned to death on 1996-MAR-28.

    1996-NOV: Afghanistan: Under the previous, Taliban, regime, a woman, Nurbibi, 40, and a man Turylai, 38, were stoned to death in a public assembly using palm-sized stones. They were found guilty of non-marital sex. Turylai was dead within ten minutes, but Nurbibi had to be finished off by dropping a large rock on her head. Mr. Wali, head of the Office for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prohibition of Vice expressed satisfaction with the execution: “…I am very happy, because it MEAN THE RULE OF ISLAM IS BEING IMPLIMENTED” These executions (as well as hand amputations for convicted thieves) are regarded as religious occasions and are not normally viewed by non-Muslims.

    2000-FEB: United Arab Emirates: Kartini binti Karim, (a.k.a. Ms. Karteen Karikanderan), an unmarried citizen of Indonesia, was working as a housemaid in the United Arab Emirates when her pregnancy was detected. She and a man — a citizen of India — were charged with adultery. She was convicted; he fled the country before he could be arrested. She was placed on trial without a lawyer or a translator, “…alone and equipped with barely any word of the local language,” . She was not told that she had a right to communicate with her embassy. Her embassy was not informed in advance of the trial. Under the UAE’s form of Sharia, she was sentenced to death by stoning. The Indonesian government hired a lawyer and translator to appeal her case. 3 On APR-25, the appeals court reduced her sentence to one year in prison, followed by deportation.

    2000-AUG: A woman, “Amina Abdullahi is sentenced to 100 lashes in the state of Zamfara for having premarital sex.”

    2000-NOV: Attine Tanko, 18, is found guilty of having pre-marital sex out of wedlock. She was discovered to be pregnant. Her sentence of 100 lashes was deferred for up to two years after the birth, so that she could breastfeed her baby. Her boyfriend, 23, was flogged 100 times and given jail time.

    2001-SEP: Nigeria: A teenage single mother, Bariya Ibrahim Magazu claimed at trial that she was raped by three men. The court assumed that she was guilty, because she could not prove that her father pressured her to engage in sexual activity with the men. She was found guilty of two offenses: having pre-marital sex, and bringing false charges against the men that she claimed were responsible. Her sentence was 180 lashes.

    5 “When nongovernmental groups ramped up pressure to free the girl, the government immediately carried out the sentence, ignoring a promised appeal process. The local authorities said they wanted to put an end to the controversy.”

    http://www.religioustolerancde.org


    • Have never understood how a woman known to have been raped by the authorities but yet be punished by the system because she committed ‘adultery’.

      Something is wrong in such a scenario.


  38. You know Zoe (“pre-marital sex out of wedlock”) I have NO reason to doubt these disgusting practices BY REGIMES THAT ARE FAVORED BY THE US GOVERNMENT … These things would not happen in Gadaffi’s Libya or Husein’s Iraq but the UAE and no doubt Saudi Arabia where the women have absolutely no say in political life and are virtual slaves in their own country … Syria policed Lebanon for thirty years protecting the Christians from the Muslims and were forced out by the US so as to allow the Israelis the chance to bomb Lebanon (this was just a few years ago). Now Syria is being targeted by the same Western interests for “Regime Change”.

    Religion ain’ got one shite to do with this …


  39. @BAF

    Man give me a break a person don’t have to believe in any god or religion to know that Shari law is repressive. why dont you deal with shari law base on humanitarian grounds , for one a law which gives a man a right to see a woman as “property” is archaic and have no place in any society !


  40. More FACTS and EVIDENCE that simply CANNOT be refuted, by these BU ‘Scoffing’ ‘Bildge Pumpers’ clan of deceived, dishonest fools, masquerading under the banner of pseudo-intellectuals, bare FOOLS there are!

    “U.S. Muslim Groups The Muslim Brotherhood is an organization which stands for the re-establishment of the global Islamic State, and the implementation and enforcement of Sharia law.”

    “In 2004, the FBI uncovered a secret document outlining the Muslim Brotherhood’s goals for North America. This document revealed that the organization is waging a “grand jihad” to eliminate and destroy Western civilization from within.To help achieve this objective, the Muslim Brotherhood established a number of organizations throughout America, including the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the Muslim Students’ Association (MSA), the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), the Islamic Association of Palestine (IAP), and many others. The Muslim Brotherhood is an organization which stands for the re-establishment of the global Islamic State, and the implementation and enforcement of Sharia law.”

    In 2004, the FBI uncovered a secret document outlining the Muslim Brotherhood’s goals for North America. This document revealed that the organization is waging a “grand jihad” to eliminate and destroy Western civilization from within.”

    To help achieve this objective, the Muslim Brotherhood established a number of organizations throughout America, including the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the Muslim Students’ Association (MSA), the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), the Islamic Association of Palestine (IAP), and many others.”

    http://www.radicalislam.org


  41. ac

    I agree …”a law which gives a man a right to see a woman as “property” is archaic and have no place in any society !”


  42. America, Canada, England, et al countries, should GET some of the ‘gutso’ of the Australian PM, tell IT* like it IS* or get OUT of your adopted country, Muslim!

    AUSTRALIAN PRIME MINISTER TELL MUSLIMS..TAKE IT OR LEAVE!77

    AUSTRALIAN PRIME MINISTER DOESN’T MINCE HIS WORDS

    AUSTRALIAN PRIME MINISTER TELLS THE MUSLIMS EITHER ACCEPT US OR LEAVE FOR ANOTHER COUNTRY.

    MUSLIMS WHO WANT TO LIVE UNDER ISLAMIC SHARIA LAW TOLD TO GET OUT!

    “MUSLIMS who want to live under Islamic Sharia law was told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to fend off potential terroist attacks.”

    “Separately, Rudd angered some Australian Muslims by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nations mosques. Quote. ” IMMIGRANTS NOT AUTRALIANS MUST ADJUST.”

    “TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. I’m tired of this nation worrying whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.”

    “This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by the millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak mainly ENGLISH, not, Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society..LEARN THE LANGUAGE!”

    “Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian Principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented.”

    “It is certainly appropriate to display it on our walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.”

    “We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept OURS AND LIVE in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.”

    “THIS IS OUR COUNTRY, OUR CULTURE AND OUR LIFESTYLE, we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this.”

    “But once YOU ARE DONE complaining, whining, and griping about our Flag, our Pledge, Our Christian Beliefs or OUR WAY OF LIFE, I highly encourage you to take advantage of one other great Australian freedom. THE RIGHT TO LEAVE!”

    If you arn’t happy here then LEAVE! We didn’t force you too come here. So accept the country you accepted.”

    “WOW, finally a Leader who places His Country, His God, before any other gods. I wonder why the USA, Canada and other countries don’t do the same? When in Rome you do as the Romans..is a famous quote.”


  43. David,

    “Have never understood how a woman known to have been raped by the authorities but yet be punished by the system because she committed ‘adultery’.”

    “Something is wrong in such a scenario.”

    David, that IS* Islamic, Sharia Law, 7th Century, Arabian, CULTURAL IMPERIALISM, founded by that beast, MuhamMAD, the CULT of the Moon god!


  44. @ Zoe | April 1, 2012 at 7:27 PM |
    “Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian Principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented.”
    “THIS IS OUR COUNTRY, OUR CULTURE AND OUR LIFESTYLE, we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this.”
    “But once YOU ARE DONE complaining, whining, and griping about our Flag, our Pledge, Our Christian Beliefs or OUR WAY OF LIFE, I highly encourage you to take advantage of one other great Australian freedom. THE RIGHT TO LEAVE!”

    Zoe, would you also agree that similar remarks should be targeted to the Australian Aborigines whom the White man sees as a burden and with their “primitive” non-Christian culture are mere “squatters” on mineral rich lands?

    When are you going to start thinking for yourself? Can’t you see this is mere justification for Christian-led genocide against an innocent and naive people who saved the sorry arses of those lost shipwrecked souls 200 years or so ago? Same thing in the Americas. Now that is really bringing the inferior natives to “Christian” understanding!


  45. @miller
    THe Subject is about ShariaLAW! i know how you can deflect a subject to your agenda . The fact is that SHARIA Law is a definite assault on a person human rights and women are mostly afffected by such a law which takes away their civil rights in areas as sexual abuse and basic human rights where a man can raped a woman and his word counts twice as much as the woman.


  46. Zoe

    Wah color you is doh …? I hope ya Black cause dah mek me laugh even louder … ha ha ha, or should I be sympathetic …


  47. Nnaki/Ralian, Why DID all ancient religious Civilizations, bar NONE, come to utter ruination?

    Reminder, Lizard/Man, IDOLATRY, worship of FALSE* gods, that NEVER existed in the first place, was the CORE cause/reason for their ultimate demise! Of course, you’d NEVER understand this FACT of evidence, historically!

    Wonder how this might have related to the indiginious Australians, and what happened to them?

    Australian Aboriginal Religion

    Doctrines. “A key aspect of Australian aboriginal belief is the Dreaming. At the heart of this is the belief in powerful beings who arose out of the land, created or gave birth to people, plant life and animal life, and connected particular groups of people with particular regions and languages. The Dreaming beings continue to control the natural world, but their willingness to release the powers of fertility depends upon people continuing to perform certain rituals.”

    “People are believed to possess spirits which originate from the dreaming. As children grow up they undergo a variety of rites of passage which initiate them into adulthood. Boys would be subjected to practices such as, circumcision, subincision into the urethra, blood letting or tooth pulling. Girls would be ritually decorated, and subject to partial seclusion or food taboos.”

    “Totemism was also important to the aboriginal world view. The representation of mythic or living beings was seen to provide the means to access the spiritual powers of the Dreaming.”

    http://www.philtpr.ac.uk


  48. @ ac | April 1, 2012 at 8:14 PM |
    ” miller: THe Subject is about Sharia LAW! i know how you can deflect a subject to your agenda . The fact is that SHARIA Law is a definite assault on a person human rights and women are mostly afffected … ”

    I will not seek this time to deflect the subject to suit my agenda but try to set the record straight.
    Zoe believes 100 % in the Bible especially the Old Testament.
    I am putting it to you that if Zoe or anyone can believe or accept the Old Testament doctrines as read in Leviticus and Deuteronomy then he or they can accept the principles and practices of Sharia. There is no difference whatsoever.
    So if you are going to denounce Sharia then denounce the admonitions as outlined in the Old Testament.
    Let Zoe prove me wrong. For my part- to quote you so as not to ‘deflect the subject’- “both are definite assaults on persons’ human rights and women are mostly affected”.. (even homosexuals). Remember the good shepherd advice? “Those who are without sin cast the first stone”.
    Wouldn’t you say that the way aborigines are treated qualify as violation of human rights? Zoe might not agree because the aborigines don’t worship his Judeo-Christian god but you “ac” with a broader perspective on life (except when wearing your political lens) ought to recognize those exploitative and violent actions as degrading to an innocent people.


  49. I so agree with her. Zoe, yes so much. When you emigrate to a new country you have to fit in. It’s not all about suddenly finding what rights you have, etc,.its about how YOU u fit in .You know what? I am so sick and tired of fMuslims trying to tell us how to live
    our lives when they themselves are still living in the dark age]sI mean,I walk into a shop and some Muslim guy is coming out and hr expects me to stand aside! Just because I am female! Fuck that.


  50. Quoting anon April 1 at 9:06 a.m. “this god is a schizophrenic. I can only muster that he might be bipolar,

    Actually God is not bi.

    God is omni.


  51. Nnaki/Ralian, As usual your IGNORANCE ( lacking knowledge and understanding) concerning these matters, is terribly void, empty!

    The Old Covenant, Old Testament Laws, penalities, etc, were REPLACED with a ‘Better’ Covenant, in the New Covenant, in the New Testament with The Lord Jesus Christ.

    NOWHERE in the New Testament do we find ANY of the Livitical/Deuteronomy penalities, that was GIVEN to the Jews, Israel, NOT the Church age!

    Are Christians Under Law?

    Are Christians under Law? Is it necessary to keep all 613 commands of the Old Testament Law to be pleasing to God? Let’s study that interesting question.

    Moses presents
    the Ten Commandments

    The Bible gives a startlingly clear answer to our question,
    Are Christians under the law?

    NO!, Christians are not under the Law of Moses.

    God gave His Law to Moses and the Jewish nation, on Mt. Sinai, in Arabia, after the children of Israel left Egypt, in approximately 1450 BC. There were no Christians around when God gave the Law to Moses and the nation of Israel.

    Prior to God giving His Law to Moses, sin existed in the world but God did not impute sin to humankind when there was no formal law.

    “For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

    Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses.” Romans 5:13-14.

    In the years from Adam to Moses, people still died, proving that sin existed in the world.

    But the Covenant of the Law, the Law of Moses, was a new thing. God had not made the Covenant of the Law with Adam and the people who lived before the Law of Moses.

    “The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, [Jews, the children of Israel] who are all of us here alive this day.” [1450 BC] Deuteronomy 5:3.

    Are Christians under law? NO!

    Some people believe that the Law is just the Ten Commandments. Actually, the Law of Moses contains 613 commandments covering everything from blood sacrifices to men’s haircuts to rape and murder to clothing restrictions to gardening to sexual worship of false gods to sewage disposal to charging interest on loans.

    These 613 Commandments are found in the first five books of the Bible. Christians usually call the five books of Moses the Pentatuch. Jews refer to the five books of Moses as Torah

    Oh, the gross IGNORANCE of many, as seen here on BU, seeking to expound on a subject matter, that they have NOT studied, do NOT understand, and yet, continue in arrogance, to expose their blatant ignorance!


  52. any form of human rights violation is unacceptable. if a test is given in any country one might find that there is no one country immune from some section if their population being denied their human rights however in the case of Sharia Law what is known that when confronted they deliberately ignores any suggestion and prefer to site the Quran or their prophet as their right to have such laws now in christianity the laws which were applied in the old testament does not hold true today expect those of the Ten commandments which are basic . Now on the subject of homosexuality even though Christians abhors the act there is no call for the death penalty for homosexuals by the church or the state as being done under sharia law. citing the two religions as parallel is not quite sure .


  53. The woman is an extremist.

    That said my good buddy lived in Saudi Arabia for more that 15 years and on return was unbelieving as when she went in.


  54. @millertheanunnaki | April 1, 2012 at 8:49 PM |

    “There is no difference whatsoever”.

    The difference is that the Law of Moses was expected to exist only for a particular season and reason. Gal 3:13 – Gal 3:19

    But yes, Christianity and the Muslim faith carry some similarities of the past.


  55. so if 15 years in the heartland of Islam did not turn her into a Muslim (or Christian or Jew)

    then …


  56. there is a difference between similarites and extremes. where the muslims faith have an extreme which is not similar in mind set to christianity and that is where the two go in opposite directions. Similarities lend a mindset to a same way of thinking and it is apparant that the Shari Law and those which christians adhere to are separated by idealogical differences.


  57. @ Zoe | April 1, 2012 at 9:39 PM |
    “The Old Covenant, Old Testament Laws, penalities, etc, were REPLACED with a ‘Better’ Covenant, in the New Covenant, in the New Testament with The Lord Jesus Christ.
    NOWHERE in the New Testament do we find ANY of the Livitical/Deuteronomy penalities, that was GIVEN to the Jews, Israel, NOT the Church age!”

    As usual I would deflect your ad hominems and go straight for your intellectual jugular which is not hard to find.
    So it is perfectly acceptable for Christians like you to put aside the Old Testament when it suits you but vehemently hide behind it when it suits your political agenda to so do.
    Now you are one of the strongest proponent of the right of Israel to occupy the lands once occupied by the Palestinians under the pretext that it is written in the Old testament that these ‘promised’ lands ‘stolen’ from the Palestinians were given by the god of Israel after leaving the ‘bad land’ of Egypt. Didn’t the Jews forfeit their birthright to these lands when they were instrumental in the crucifixion of one of at least 26 of your own gods and saviour Jesus Christ?
    Don’t you find it rather duplicitous on your part to do a Judas or Peter by renouncing the laws of the heirs of your god while, like a true lawyer, aiding and abetting them in a scheme to obtain title to property taken by foul means. As “ac” pointed out the Ten Commandments issued by the high priest of the Akhenaten monotheistic cult includes an injunction about taking other people’s property without permission. Follow that and we will await your response regarding the position The Saudis would take in any fight between Israel and Iran. Seen the nuclear Light yet?


  58. The ‘Unconditional, Irrevocable, Covenant’ Sworn to by Almighty God re the ‘Promised Land’ to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, AND their descendants, the Jews, “Israel” is an entirely different matter, altogether, and has NOTHING to do with the Levitical Laws, penalities, AT ALL, and their abgrogation vis-a-vis the NT, New Covenant.

    Nnaki/Ralian, Once again, your absurd ineptitude, in NOT understanding the historical context, of different aspects of the Old Testament, and its relevance or lack thereof, whether His Word, WAS speaking to the Jews, Israel, OR declaring ‘Prophetic’ utterences TO the future ‘New Covenant’ established BY, IN, and THROUGH, the Coming of the Eternal Word* of God, JESUS CHRIST, God INCARNATE, IS* beyond your grasp!

    BTW, Lizard/Man, you are TOO LOW to the ground, earth BOUND, to ever be able to reach my Jugular! (Lol!)


  59. It’s amazing hearing Christians speak about Muslims this way. It never ceases to amaze me how ALL Muslims are painted with the same brush.
    There are Extremists in Christianity, Judaism and any other beliefs, that is the nature of the beast. It should be noted that they are the minority most of the times. All Jews do not believe in the Zionist way, just as all Muslims are not extremists.
    Zoe would now give the Australians a pass for their decades of repression to the Native people on the reasoning that they believe in something other than his god. This however does not surprise me as I remember his posts on the Haitian people after the Quake.
    The Muslims want to practice their ways in foreign lands but it is an issue….a stroll through Crown Heights always makes me laugh at the hypocrisy….you would swear you were in Israel.
    This discussion will go nowhere as usual other to show the ability to cut and paste or measure dicks.The lines are drawn and trenches dug. The Christians are arrogant and narrow minded while the others are sick of the hypocrisy …..should be fun 😉


  60. there also was a time not so long ago that a race of people were denied their human rights with laws which were designed by religious law and upheld by countries and states. hopefully we have come far and in our quest to be right we have not forgotten that many a people fought and died to break those chains and chart a path forward for what is now know as civil rights. we as a people should not stand by and say or do nothing because we want to be right but but should use our vitriol to condemn any church or state law which would adhere to taking away a person human rights and should be be repulse by such treatments let us learn from history that as a people looking out for the “civil and human rights” of each other is a :” right to do so” and not just a privilege.


  61. This is not about Christians alone! It is great that Christians are speaking out.

    The point is that if you are not one of “them” you are an infidel. We all know that “they” are radicals so if you are not a radical Muslim, beware, you have been judged.


  62. “no-one is perfect”….

    the lady said..not you, not me, not them. No belief system is perfect, no foreign policy is perfect, no life-style is perfect, not even BU is perfect. But then, is a tree ‘perfect’ or a cloud or a bird? If they are, what makes them so? Is a definition ‘perfect’? Or should we say ‘it can’t be…..’? Or what of the colour ‘red’? Is Christinaity as a body of beliefs according to Zoe ‘perfect’? Or well-beloved Miller’s cynicism ‘perfect’? Or Random’s common-sense? Or my wittering? Can a concept of a ‘State’ be perfect without reference to its legal system? Can a State be ‘perfect’ if there are competing legal systems within it? Does that pose a ‘perfect’ dilemma?


  63. Talking about human rights. First there has to be a distinction between human rights and civil rights. We consider that civil rights are only a subset of human rights. Westerners skillfully avoid the real understanding or implementation of HR and prefer civil rights so that they do not have to deal with certain human rights which they see as anathema to capitalism. These could include to the right not to be poor, the right to all life sustaining needs, the rights of Pachamama – water, food, education, to elect/remove governments, right to be a free-thinker etc. It is a mistake to assume that the western model of rights is to be accepted without question. A lot of this discussion wrongly assume that Islamic women are somehow eternally mistreated when a proper reading of the situation may lead one to the view that by Islamic standard women are no less well treated when compared to other major religions. In fact the research suggest that by Islamic standards, which are higher than christian standards for the proper treatment of women, the reverse is true.

    Bahrain is a prime example that the blind followers of the holy trinity of capitalism, christianity and hegemony will never talk about. The presence of an American military base in Manama allows a despotic regime to sentence a genuine human rights activist Abdulhaki Al-Khawaji, a number of medical work and citizens to life in jail for treating protestors who were merely exercising their ‘human rights’. Al-Khawaji has done something that no one alive has ever done. Within a Bahraini population of about one million he was able to inspire over 600,000 people to stage protests in Manama. Eighty (80) Bahrainis have been murdered but still they insist on a nonviolence struggle. This represents equivalent to over 25,000 Americans. Could you tell us what the Western response would be if their geo-political foe in Iran had killed this percentage of its population? The bleeding heart christian would be all over the media. What the christian ‘sheeple’ don’t understanding is that all these issues, including religion, have no intrinsic value but are merely window dressing to serve finance capitalists.


  64. anonymous42 | April 2, 2012 at 7:59 AM |

    This is not about Christians alone! It is great that Christians are speaking out.

    The point is that if you are not one of “them” you are an infidel. We all know that “they” are radicals so if you are not a radical Muslim, beware, you have been judged.

    Here is a classic example of Christian narrow mindness!

    Isn’t this the same thinking in Christianity?
    Ask Zoe what he thinks of most of us who doesn’t share his views, take a look at his description of us…..lol.
    Muslims think they are right, Christians think they are right….just look at your response anon 42, true to form.


  65. But remember not all Christians are ‘Christians according to the law of Zoe’. But yet that does not inevitably diminish the thrust of her argument despite her self-evident inability to apply it to herself.


  66. robert ross

    There people who exploit these imperfections, that is how they make a living… and it is those pople that I enjoy venting on most


  67. Technician how did you arrive at the conclusion I am a Christian?

    I know of only one way to make that determination and it is not by blogging.

    Do you know me?


  68. Here is a brief extract from “The Status of women In Islam” A Reply to Dr. Jamal Badawi and Others, By Samuel Gree,

    BEATING

    Muhammad beat his wives.

    … He (Muhammad) struck me (Aisha) on the chest which caused me pain … (Muslim: bk. 4, no. 2127)

    Muhammad’s companions also beat his wives and other women.

    … (Umar) found the Prophet sitting sad and silent with his wives around him. … (Umar) decided to say something which would make the Prophet laugh, so he said, “Messenger of God, I wish you had seen the daughter of Kharija when she asked me for extra money and I got up and slapped her on the neck.” God’s messenger laughed and said, “They are around me as you see asking for extra money.” Abu Bakr then got up, went to A’isha and slapped her on the neck, and Umar did the same to Hafsa. (Mishkat Al-Masabih: vol. 2, p. 690; Muslim: bk. 9, no. 3506, Siddiqui)

    Narrated Aisha: A necklace of mine was lost at Al-Baida’ and we were on our way to Medina. The Prophet made his camel kneel down and dismounted and laid his head on my lap and slept. Abu Bakr came to me and hit me violently on the chest and said, “You have detained the people because of a necklace.” … (Bukhari: vol. 6, bk. 60, no. 132, Khan)

    Muhammad’s companions beat their own wives.

    Iyas b. Abdullah reported God’s messenger as saying, “Do not beat God’s handmaidens;” but when `Umar came to God’s messenger and said, “The women have become emboldened towards their husbands,” he gave licence to beat them. Then many women went round God’s messenger’s family complaining of their husbands, and he said, “Many women have gone around complaining of their husbands. Those are not the best among you.” Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah, and Darimi transmitted it. (Mishkat Al-Masabih: vol. 2, p. 692)

    In the Qur’an Muhammad commanded that beating was part of the process for controlling a rebellious wife.

    And those (wives) you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. (Qur’an 4:34, Arberry)

    `Umar reported the Prophet as saying, “A man will not be asked about why he beat his wife.” Abu Dawud and Ibn Majah transmitted it. (Mishkat Al-Masabih: vol. 2, p. 693)

    A woman has the right not to be hit in the face.

    Hakim b. Mu`awiya al-Qushairi quoted his father as telling that he asked, “Messenger of God, what right can any wife demand of her husband?” He replied, “That you should give her food to eat, clothe her when you clothe yourself, not strike her on the face, and do not revile her or seperate from her except in the house.” Ahmad, Abu Dawud and Ibn Majah transmitted it. (Mishkat Al-Masabih: vol. 2, p. 691)

    The husband’s right to beat his wife is Shariah law in every school of Islam.

    appendix on beat Here is every other use of the word in the imperative 2:60, 2:73, 4:34, 7:160, 8:12, 18:32, 18:45, 20:77, 26:63, 36:13, 38:44 Volume 6, Book 60, Number 466: Narrated Abdullah bin Zama: That he heard the Prophet delivering a sermon, and he mentioned the shecamel and the one who hamstrung it. Allah’s Apostle recited:– ‘When, the most wicked man among them went forth (to hamstrung the she-camel).’ (91.12.) Then he said, “A tough man whose equal was rare and who enjoyed the protection of his people, like Abi Zama went forth to (hamstrung) it.” The Prophet then mentioned about the women (in his sermon). “It is not wise for anyone of you to lash his wife like a slave, for he might sleep with her the same evening.” Then he advised them not to laugh when somebody breaks wind and said, “Why should anybody laugh at what he himself does?”

    SATISFYING THE MAN’S SEXUAL DESIRES

    The Qur’an, speaking figuratively about sex, says of women:
    Women are your fields: go, then, into your fields whence you please. (Qur’an 2:223, Dawood)

    Muhammad gave strong warnings to women who would not accommodate their husband’s or master’s desire.

    Talq b. `Ali reported God’s messenger as saying, “When a man calls his wife to satisfy his desire she must go to him even if she is occupied at the oven.” Tirmidhi transmitted it. (Mishkat Al-Masabih: vol. 2, p. 691)

    Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (p.) said, “if a man invites his wife to sleep with him an she refuses to come to him, then angels send their curses on her till morning.” (Bukhari: vol. 7, bk. 62, no. 121, Khan)


  69. Pastor Nadarkhani is facing execution in Iran for abandoning Islam.
    Pastor Nadarkhani of the Church of Iran denomination was arrested in his home city of Rasht in 2009, soon after questioning the Muslim monopoly of religious instruction for children in Iran, which he felt was unconstitutional.
    He was charged, tried, found guilty of apostasy, and sentenced to EXECUTION.
    He’s been in prison ever since and, on at least four occasions, has been pressured to renounce his faith in exchange for a lifting of the death sentence.


  70. Here is an excellent study on the subject of “Women” as taken from God’s Word, the Bible, vis-a-vis other religious cultures. The following is just the intro, for the complete paper, see link
    http://www.gty,org

    The Biblical Portrait of Women: Setting the Record Straight

    Leviticus 19:3, Exodus 20:12, Genesis 1:27; 5:1-2, Ephesians 5:23, 1 Peter 3:7, Proverbs 12:4 A265

    By John MacArthur

    The Bible is, and has always been, a revolutionary book. It stands like a coastal rock cliff to resist the surging, crashing waves of cultural change. And there may be no clearer demonstration of the Bible’s immutable word than what it teaches about genuine femininity.

    The Bible rightly exalts women against cultures that distort, degrade, and debase them. Many in our society tout the sexual and reproductive liberation of women against the supposed oppressive, outmoded strictures of the Bible. I have to ask, “In what way are women truly free? In what way does our culture honor them?” Sure they can vote; sure they have opportunities to compete in the marketplace. But are they really free? Is their dignity and honor intact?

    I contend that women are used and abused more today than at any time in history. Pornography turns women into objects and victims of dirty, cowardly Peeping Toms who leer at them with greedy


  71. I have posted this video as I have certain establishments (one in the Oistins bay garden) purchasing chicken from the Halal meat processor.

    Muslims have a right to prepare their meat as they see fit, but they meat should not be sold to the rest of us as it is sacrifice to their god. If I were sacrificing meat in accordance to Christian customs I wouldn’t sell it to unsuspecting non-Christians. It would be morally wrong.

    Both Christians and non-Christians are eating Halal meat and don’t even know it. If I were a Muslim and my meat was being sacrificed to a devil I would have a problem. It is therefore paramount that Christians and non-Christians be enlightened on this issue.


  72. We see some obscurantist popinjays above talking about people in Iran dying because there are christians. Firstly, Iran’s legal system protects what they call the ‘people of the book’. Meaning christian, Jews and Muslims have a special place. In addition they are other religions, like the Zoroastrians, which are fully recognized. There are others like the Baha’is that are not considered as religions and are seen as cults and ‘discouraged’. We can go on about this………

    Secondly, we think is was anon who said somebody is getting hung for his ‘born again’ christian belief. This is fairly dubious at best and propaganda at worst. What we know for certain that Iran, China and your own capital for evangelism in the West – the United States, have the largest numbers of death penalties in the world – every year. In fact in the USA we now know that many innocent people have been wrongly put to death. Where were you when those in the leadership of your religion are killing innocent people? We have not seen any evidence that any of the people who are put to death in Iran were innocent. And if innocent people are dying where is your god to stop it. We don’t support the death penalty in any circumstances, any!


  73. To Pachamama: Whoooohoooo – “obscurantist popinjays” 😆 .
    Calling commenters names tells a lot about You and distracts some people from the discussion. But I hope not everybody is swallowing the red herring (old tactics).
    Ever talked with a refugee from Iran about “Iran’s legal system”? I bet You never did.
    Oh, and to not support the death penalty is very noble of You.
    I, as the mother of one son would hunt down and kill whoever makes a misery of my sons life. Promise.

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