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The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. (NIV, Isaiah 2:3-4)

For those who do not subscribe to biblical doctrine Bob Marley chanted it best –  “Check out the real situation,  Nation war against nation, Where did it all begin, when will it end,  Well it seems like total destruction,The only solution,  And there ain’t no use, No one can stop them now .”

After the invasion of Libya by a few first world countries the question which many immediately asked was – who will be next?  Would it be North Korea?  Would it be Iran? It seems the gun sight is now unerringly pointed at Iran.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on a visit last week to the USA asserted Israel’s right to be ‘the master of its fate’. He sent a strong message to Iran and the world that Israel is running out of patience with Iran and is actively considering a military strike. Israel and its greatest ally USA believe Iran should not be allowed to develop nuclear warheads because of its public declaration to obliterate Israel from the face of the earth. The question raised by the scenario playing out: does Iran, a sovereign country, have the right to manage its affairs free from external intervention?  Bear in mind Israel’s aggressive posture is unfolding against the imposition of international sanctions.

It is ironic that Israel owes its military might to the USA – billions of dollars in military aid – yet Prime Minister  Netanyahu would defy the US by threatening to strike Iran. Perhaps he knows the powerful American Israel  Public Affairs lobby group is in his camp. If Netanyahu continues to stoke the conflict it will have implications for the world, especially small island states like Barbados. Some believe Netanyahu has heightened the rhetoric to steer domestic conversation away from the woes of the Israeli economy. Although the US would be forced to support Israel should it strike Iran, it is a move Obama would not like with the US economy showing moderate bounce – three consecutive months of job growth of over two hundred thousand.

We should all accept that as long as Israel exist there will be conflict in the ME. It therefore brings into focus the need to wean Barbados from its heavy dependence on imported food and fuel.


  1. ” And the LORD said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him: “Lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are; northward, southward, eastward, and westward; {15} “for all the land which you see I give to you and your descendants forever….”

    Gen 15:18 (NKJV) “On the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying: “To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates;”

    “God gave Abraham and his descendants a whole lot more land than what is now Israel. He gave him land extending over much of what is now Syria, western Jordan, and the Sinai Peninsula. Did his descendants include Ishmael who was to become the father of the Arabs? Abraham would have liked it that way but God had other ideas. Let’s look at Genesis 17:18.”

    Gen 17:18-19 (NKJV) “And Abraham said to God, “Oh, that Ishmael might live before You!” {19} Then God said: “No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; [meaning “to laugh”] I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, with his descendantsafter him.”

    “So Ishmael, the father of the Arabs, did not inherit God’s covenant with Abraham.”

    “The promise later passed from Isaac to Jacob. Gen 28:3-4 describes Isaac’s blessing on Jacob.”

    Gen 28:3-4 (NKJV) “May God Almighty bless you, And make you fruitful and multiply you, That you may be an assembly of peoples; {4} And give you the blessing of Abraham, To you and your descendants with you, That you may inherit the land In which you are a stranger, Which God gave to Abraham.”

    “Do you see any conditions upon which God’s promise was based? Must the Israelites live a perfect life? No, He simply said the land was their’s to use. The promise was UNconditional. If you read Genesis 15:17, you’ll read of a ceremony where God made the covenant binding only on Himself – only God walked between the carcasses, not Abram. Did God change His mind when Israel sinned in Egypt? No. He returned them back to the land. What did He have to say about the land when He was telling the Israelites about the results of sinning?”

    Lev 26:38 (NKJV) “You shall perish among the nations, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up.”

    verses 43-45 (NKJV) “The land also shall be left empty by them, and will enjoy its sabbaths while it lies desolate without them; they will accept their guilt, because they despised My judgments and because their soul abhorred My statutes. {44} Yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, nor shall I abhor them, to utterly destroy them and break My covenant with them; for I the LORD their God. {45} But for their sake I will remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God: I the LORD.’ “

    “So the Israelites were scattered – several times. What did God say about their land after their return?”

    Ezek 36:19 (NKJV) “So I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed throughout the countries; I judged them according to their ways and their deeds. [In other words, He judged them by their works.]

    verse 24 (NKJV) “For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land.”

    “The land was still theirs centuries later when they returned from captivity. Could the Eternal have revoked His promise after the time of Christ? Did He turn His back on His promise to the Jews after they rejected Christ? This is the theme of present day Replacement Theology.”

    Rom 11:29 (NKJV) “For the gifts and the calling of God irrevocable.”

    Jer 31:35-37 (NKJV) “Thus says the LORD, Who gives the sun for a light by day, The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night, Who disturbs the sea, And its waves roar (The LORD of hosts His name): {36} “If those ordinances depart from before Me, says the LORD, the seed of Israel shall also cease from being a nation before Me forever.” {37} Thus says the LORD: “If heaven above can be measured, And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, says the LORD.”

    “Doesn’t sound like God could renege on His promise, does it? When we see the sun give daylight, the moon and stars providing night light, the sea and its waves, does it remind us that Israel still owns the land and still continues to be a nation? That is not the belief of mainline Christian Churches such as the Methodists, the Anglicans, the Presbyterians, the Lutherans, and the Episcopalians who believe that the church has replaced the Israelis as God’s favorite people and so see the land as belonging to the so-called “Palestinians.” Their position is known as replacement theology. It is strongly opposed by Messianics, Evangelical Christians and Christian Zionists.”

    “As I said, Israel became a Jewish state in 1948. In the six-day war of 1967 Jews recaptured Judea and Samaria from the Jordanians after which Jordan publicly relinquished the land. Since 1948 the Jews have returned to Israel by the millions.”

    Ezek 11:17 (NKJV) “Therefore say, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “I will gather you from the peoples, assemble you from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.”

    The landlord is still God. And ALWAYS will be!


  2. It is amazing that people who have no respect for the original peoples of Barbados can have so much respect for a people which is supposed to have lived in Palestine many years ago. This must be done in order to support a grand pack of lies. These misguided people are prepared to live on the land of the Kalinago and others and not even recognize that these indigenous people as people. They were not white. They did not speak English. They did not leave propaganda document with which to confuse us about their gods. There is little in establish Barbadian culture that legitimizes they inherit right, or the rights of their descendants to all that is now the so-called Barbados. Yet there is a claim that some real estate agent somewhere in the sky (god) can determine that 5,000,000 Palestinians are to be displaced from they ancestral lands. That Palestinians are to live under Apartheid and occupation forever. That Palestinians are to forever endure humiliation on a daily basis by the Zionist. It should be a crime to recognize such a god. A crime punishable by immediate death.

    Why are the innocent Palestinians to suffer for things done to the Jewish people by others. The Palestinians did not betray and kill your ‘christ’. The Palestinians had nothing to do with the genocide of the Jewish peoples during World War Two. If those of you who follow a god that is a real estate agent maybe the ancestral peoples of Barbados should be given back their lands too. Maybe the indigenous peoples of what we now call ‘the Americas’ should be given back their lands – if yours is to be the standard of justice.

    What about language? People everywhere say they are waiting for some return of the Messiah or a Mahdi. How come the Constantineans are not learning Amharic? I am fairly sure that your Messiah will not understand any of the languages you currently speak. Maybe this is why your prayers will never be answered. These people who sat that they are christians don’t even consider that 40 percent of the Palestinians are also Christians. If there is to be an anti-christ he or she could very well be the Jewish and christian Zionist who have commandeered these religions as instruments in order to control the minds of the people.

    The crimes currently perpetrated against the Palestinian peoples by the Zionists are not dissimilar to those committed against the Jewish people for centuries. That the Zionist who now, wrongly, claim to represent the Jewish people are carrying out heinous crimes against the Palestinians can never be tolerated even in circumstances where some lunatics think that they are setting the conditions for the return of some Messiah. What kind of god would countenance these crimes?

    The truth is that the Jewish people NEVER had a Jewish state and it is a lie to pretend some book can establish this falsehood as truth. In fact, what most Constantineans don’t know is that the word Israel is simply the concoction of the names of three Pagans gods. Those of us who have studied Jewish religious culture are often surprised at its similarity with Obeah and other African ritualistic practices. This story is seldom told. For all of their history the Jewish people have lived in others peoples lands. Even today Iran that is so vilified by the Constantineans and Zionists is the home for a population of 40,000 Jews who have been living there for thousands of years in peace and harmony. Go and see them for yourself. Nobody can tell them they are anything other than Iranian. This you will not hear about on CNN, BBC or others propaganda media. The ignorant and the misinformed must travel throughout that region to so the real Jewish people.

    Whereas the Jewish peoples have made a tremendous contribution to human ‘civilization’ any claim for Philistine is dubious at best and criminal at worst. In fact there are many Jews (not Zionist) who firmly believe that Zionism is ungodly and that the Zionist state itself should not exist. the other hand like most human beings there are Jews like Christopher Columbus. On balance, what god would want to give him a Zionist homeland?


  3. @Pachamama

    Whew!


  4. but before we go any further we first must establish who are the JEWS and are the “JEWS” who holds the occupation of present day Israel the Jews which the bibilcal scholars are referring to!


  5. @ac

    Why don’t you understand that the solution to the reason cannot be resolved if framed in a biblical context?


  6. your response does not answer my Questions which is a legittimate one. One must start out right to end up right. it is not good enough for any one to claim land under the pretense or disguise of bible prophecy a Book which the Israeli’s (Jews) does not adhere to or believe is the written word of GOD expect in this case where it applies to their being god given owners to Palestin. Something is wrong with this picture.


  7. Are these Jews Sephardic or Ashkenazi? The Sephardic, while indicating Jews of the Iberian Penninsula, generally denotes Jews originally from the ME. The Ashkenazi are peoples originally from the regions north of Turkey, who when trapped between Christian and Muslims engaged in war decided to become Jews rather than choose between the other two religions.
    Since the Ashkenazi are the dominant group population wise, by a large 85%, it is arguable that they did not come from Palestine at all.

    The Russians, English and French decided to permit all Jews to return to Palestine, so they are the culpable parties.

    The wikileaks already revealed that the Saudi’s would open their airports and give the fuel to the Isreali’s on their bombing run to Iran. Please note that Saudi’s are Sunni’s or Wahabist’s and they DETEST the Shia in Iran. The Saudi’s are also worried that the Shia states of Iran and Iraq may combine to attack and capture Saudi Arabia.( tempting to own all the oil in the ME which would lead to control of the oil market in one set of hands)


  8. @Moneybrain

    Therein lies the complexity of the problem in the ME.

    There will be no peace in our life time and that is for sure.


  9. See Finklestein’s work of this issue. This issue is not complex at all. We have long known what the borders of a a two-States solution would look like. However, the Zionists have maliciously spent the last 20 years in negotiation as a way to change the facts on the ground. Meaning have kept negotiating forever while avoiding the near universally accepted solution and continuing to illegally build on Palestinian lands.

    With the Islamic Awakening in the region and the Emergence of Iran as a regional superpower a one state solution is the only option for the Zionist regime will not last much longer. Finally, I judge, the Palestinians in the diaspora will be able to return home and Israel will be the dead corpse that it is.


  10. The interesting thing is that despite all the negotiations the Israeli settlements keep increasing on the West Bank.


  11. @ David

    You may be right. But it only needs one man. For a time there was Rabin….a leopard who changed his spots. Netanyahu? Well, who knows….but I doubt. But remember – those who mourned Rabin are now moving into the driving seat.


  12. Seven Reasons To Support Israel

    By U.S. Sen. James M. Inhofe

    Editor’s Note: The following is a slightly condensed version of a remarkable statement of principle delivered on the floor of the U.S. Senate earlier this month by Sen. James M. Inhofe, Republican of Oklahoma.

    Senator Inhofe

    “I was interested the other day when I heard that Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Abdullah made a statement which was received by many in this country as if it were a statement of fact, as if it were something new — a concept for peace in the Middle East that no one had ever heard of before. I was kind of shocked that it was so well received by many people who had been down this road before.”

    “I suggest to you that what Crown Prince Abdullah talked about was not new at all. He talked about the fact that under the Abdullah plan, Arabs would normalize relations with Israel in exchange for the Jewish state surrendering the territory it received after the 1976 Six-Day War as if that were something new. When it gets right down to it, the land doesn’t make that much difference because Yasir Arafat and others don’t recognize Israel’s right to any of the land. They do not recognize Israel’s right to exist.”

    “I would like to emphasize seven reasons why Israel has the right to its land.”

    1.” Israel has the right to the land because of all of the archeological evidence.”

    “Every time there is a dig in Israel, it does nothing but support the fact that Israelis have had a presence there for 3,000 years. The coins, the cities, the pottery, the culture — there is no mistaking the fact that Israelis have been present in that land for 3,000 years.”

    “The ancient Philistines are extinct. Many other ancient peoples are extinct. They do not have the unbroken line to this date that the Israelis have. Even the Egyptians of today are not racial Egyptians of 2,000, or 3,000 years ago. They are primarily an Arab people. The land is called Egypt, but they are not the same racial and ethnic stock as the old Egyptians of the ancient world. The first Israelis are in fact descended from the original Israelites.”

    2. “The second proof of Israel’s right to the land is the historic right.”

    “History supports it totally and completely. We know there had been an Israel up until the time of the Roman Empire. The Romans conquered the land, although Jews were allowed to live there. They were driven from the land in two dispersions: One was in 70 A.D. and the other was in 135 A.D. But there was always a Jewish presence in the land.”

    “The Turks took over about 700 years ago and ruled up until about World War I, when the land was conquered by the British. The British government — grateful to a Jewish chemist named Weizmann who discovered a way to manufacture nitroglycerin from materials that existed in England and to Jewish bankers who helped finance the war — promised to give the Jewish people a homeland. That is all a part of history. It is all written down in history.”

    “The homeland that Britain said it would set aside consisted of all of what is now Israel and all of what is Jordan — the whole thing. That was what Britain promised to give the Jews. In the beginning, there was some Arab support for this action. There was not a huge Arab population in the land at that time, and there is a reason for that. The land was not able to sustain a large population of people. It just did not have the development it needed to handle those people, and the land was not really wanted by anybody. Nobody really wanted this land. It was considered to be worthless land.”

    “I want the Presiding Officer to hear what Mark Twain said. Mark Twain — Samuel Clemens — took a tour of Palestine in 1867. This is how he described that land. We are talking about Israel now. He said: ”

    “A desolate country whose soil is rich enough but is given over wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse. We never saw a human being on the whole route. There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.”

    “Where was this great Palestinian nation? It did not exist. It was not there. Palestinians were not there. Palestine was a region named by the Romans, but at that time it was under the control of Turkey, and there was no large mass of people there because the land would not support them.”

    “The report of the Palestinian Royal Commission, created by the British, quotes an account of the conditions on the coastal plain along the Mediterranean Sea in 1913:”

    “The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track, suitable for transport by camels or carts. No orange groves, orchards or vineyards were to be seen until one reached the Yavnev village. Houses were mud. Schools did not exist. The western part toward the sea was almost a desert. The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many villages were deserted by their inhabitants.”

    “In short, under the Turks the land suffered from neglect and low population. That is a historical fact. The nation became populated by both Jews and Arabs because the land came to prosper when Jews came back and began to reclaim it.”

    “If there had never been any archaeological evidence to support the rights of the Israelis to the territory, it is also important to recognize that other nations in the area have no longstanding claim to the country either.”

    “Did you know that Saudi Arabia was not created until 1913, Lebanon until 1920? Iraq did not exist as a nation until 1932, Syria until 1941; the borders of Jordan were established in 1946 and Kuwait in 1961. Any of these nations that would say Israel is only a recent arrival would have to deny their own rights as recent arrivals as well.”

    3. “The third reason that land belongs to Israel is the practical value of the Israelis being there.”

    “Israel today is a modern marvel of agriculture. Israel is able to bring more food out of a desert environment than any other country in the world. The Arab nations ought to make Israel their friend and import technology from Israel that would allow all the Middle East, not just Israel, to become an exporter of food. Israel has unarguable success in its agriculture.”

    4. “The fourth reason I believe Israel has the right to the land is on the grounds of humanitarian concern.”

    “You see, there were six million Jews slaughtered in Europe in World War II. The persecution against the Jews had been very strong in Russia since the advent of communism. It was against them even before then under the Czars. These people have a right to their homeland. If we are not going to allow them a homeland in the Middle East, then where? What other nation on Earth is going to cede territory, is going to give up land? They are not asking for a great deal. The whole nation of Israel would fit into my home state of Oklahoma seven times.”

    5. “The fifth reason Israel ought to have the land is that she is a strategic ally of the United States.”

    “Israel is a detriment, an impediment, to certain groups hostile to democracies, hostile to what we believe in, hostile to that which makes us the greatest nation in the history of the world. Israel has kept them from taking complete control of the Middle East. If it were not for Israel, they would overrun the region.”

    “Israel is our strategic ally. It is good to know we have a friend in the Middle East on whom we can count. They vote with us in the United Nations more than England, more than Canada, more than France, more than Germany — more than any other country in the world.”

    6. “The sixth reason is that Israel is a roadblock to terrorism.”

    “The war we are now facing is not against a sovereign nation; it is against a group of terrorists who are very fluid, moving from one country to another. They are almost invisible. That is whom we are fighting against today. We need every ally we can get. If we do not stop terrorism in the Middle East, it will be on our shores.”

    “One of the reasons I believe the door was opened for an attack against us is that the policy of our government has been to ask the Israelis — and demand it with pressure — not to retaliate in a significant way against the terrorist strikes that have been launched against them.”

    “There were 39 Scud missiles that landed on Israeli soil during the Gulf War. Our president asked Israel not to respond. In order to have the Arab nations on board, we asked Israel not to participate in the war. The Israelis showed tremendous restraint and did not. Now we have asked them to stand back and not do anything over these last several attacks. We have criticized them. We have criticized them in our media. Local people in television and radio often criticize Israel, not knowing the true facts. We need to be informed.”

    “Back in December the Israelis went into Gaza with gunships and into the West Bank with F-16s. With the exception of last May, the Israelis had not used F-16s since the 1967 Six-Day War. And I am so proud of them, because we have to stop terrorism. It is not going to go away.”

    “If Israel were driven into the sea tomorrow, if every Jew in the Middle East were killed, terrorism would not end. You know that in your heart. Should they be successful in overrunning Israel — which they won’t be — it would not be enough. They will never be satisfied.”

    7. “The seventh, and most important, reason why we ought to support Israel is because God said so.”

    “Look it up in the book of Genesis. In Genesis 13:14-17, the Bible says: The Lord said to Abram, “Lift up now your eyes, and look from the place where you are northward, and southward, and eastward and westward: for all the land which you see, to you will I give it, and to your seed forever….Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it to thee.”

    That is God talking.

    “The Bible says that Abram removed his tent and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar before the L-rd. Hebron is in the West Bank. It is at this place where G-d appeared to Abram and said, “I am giving you this land” — the West Bank. This is not a political battle at all. It is a contest over whether or not the Word of God is true.”

    Israel’s Hand Of Peace Rejected

    “Eight years ago on the lawn of the White House, Yitzhak Rabin shook hands with Yasir Arafat. It was a historic occasion. It was a tragic occasion. At that time, the official policy of the government of Israel began to be, “Let us appease the terrorists. Let us begin to trade the land for peace.”

    “This process continued unabated up until last year. At Camp David in the summer of 2000, the then-prime minister of Israel, Ehud Barak, offered the most generous concessions to Arafat that had ever been laid on the table. He offered him more than 90 percent of all the West Bank territory, sovereign control of it. There were parts he did not want to offer, but in exchange for that he said he would give up land in Israel proper that the PLO had not even asked for.”

    “And he also did the unthinkable. He spoke of dividing Jerusalem and allowing the Palestinians to have their capital there in the East. Arafat stormed out of the meeting. Why did he storm out of the meeting? Everything he had said he wanted was offered there. It was put into his hands. Why did he storm out of the meeting?”

    “A couple of months later there began riots and terrorism. It began when the current Israeli prime minister, Ariel Sharon, went to the Temple Mount. Did you know that Sharon did not go unannounced and that he contacted the Islamic authorities before he went and secured their permission and had permission to be there?”

    “It was no surprise. The response was very carefully calculated. The Palestinians knew the world would not pay attention to the details. They would portray this in the Arab world as an attack upon the holy mosque and use it as an excuse to riot.”

    “Over these past eight years of the peace process, when the Israeli public pressured its leaders to give up land for peace because they were tired of fighting, there has been increased terror. In fact, it has been greater in the past eight years than any other time in Israel’s history. Showing restraint and giving in has not produced any kind of peace.”

    “Israel did offer a hand of peace, and it was not taken. Even today the stationery of the PLO still has on it the map of the entire state of Israel, not just the tiny little part they call the West Bank that they say they want. They want it all.”


  13. All of the Ant-Semitism spouted here on BU, come from bigoted, ignorant, God-Haters of Historic facts and evidence, that they CANNOT REFUTE, so they resort to utter distortions, malicious, venomous, LIES!

    Here is one such wicked LIE, refuted by FACTS, and TRUTH!

    Israel: An Apartheid State?
    Is there any truth at all in this oft-repeated calumny?

    “South African Apartheid. “Apartheid,” the Dutch-Africaans term for separation, was the social order of the former South Africa. It meant exactly that. The Black majority of the nation and the so-called Colored were kept strictly apart in all aspects of life. White domination over the native population was mandatory. For instance: Non-Whites had to carry a “passbook.” Passbook infringement could lead to deportation to one of the Bantu “homelands.” Blacks and Coloreds were being kept from a wide array of jobs. Black-White sex was a serious jail-time criminal offense. Hospitals and ambulances were strictly separated. Whites enjoyed free education until graduation. Not so for Blacks, whose education was strictly limited by the oppressive “Bantu Education Act.”

    What are the facts?

    “South African Apartheid. “Apartheid,” the Dutch-Africaans term for separation, was the social order of the former South Africa. It meant exactly that. The Black majority of the nation and the so-called Colored were kept strictly apart in all aspects of life. White domination over the native population was mandatory. For instance: Non-Whites had to carry a “passbook.” Passbook infringement could lead to deportation to one of the Bantu “homelands.” Blacks and Coloreds were being kept from a wide array of jobs. Black-White sex was a serious jail-time criminal offense. Hospitals and ambulances were strictly separated. Whites enjoyed free education until graduation. Not so for Blacks, whose education was strictly limited by the oppressive “Bantu Education Act.”

    “By law, no mixed sports were allowed. Park benches, swimming pools, libraries, and movies were strictly separated. Blacks were not allowed to purchase or imbibe alcoholic drinks – etc, etc, etc. And that is only a partial and small list of the many abusive impediments that non-Whites suffered under the South African apartheid regime.”

    “Israeli Equality. To tar Israel with that kind of brush is utterly malicious. The exact opposite is the case. Not one single apartheid practice applies to Israel. Israel is by far the most racially mixed and tolerant nation in the entire Muslim Middle East. Arabs, who are about 20% of Israel’s population, enjoy, without any exception, the same rights and opportunities in all fields as their Jewish fellow citizens. The total equality of all Israelis is assured in Israel’s founding document. All non-Jews (which means primarily Muslim Arabs) have full voting rights. At present, eleven Arabs sit in Israel’s Knesset (parliament): Three Arabs are deputy speakers. Arabs are represented in Israel’s diplomatic service all over the world. Arab students may and do study in all Israeli universities. All children in Israel are entitled to subsidized education until graduation, without any restrictions based on color or religions. In short, Muslim Arabs and other non-Jews are allowed everything that Jews are allowed, everything that non-Whites were not allowed in apartheid South Africa.”

    “But, yes, there is one difference: Jewish Israeli men are obligated to a three-year stint in the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) and serve in the reserve until they are 50 years old. For Arabs, this service is voluntary. Except for the Druze, hardly any Arabs volunteer to serve in the armed forces.”

    “Israel has granted permanent residence and full citizen rights to a large number of legal and illegal foreign workers and their families – from the Philippines, Eritrea, Colombia, Nigeria, and from many other countries. Nobody, of course, is forced or requested to convert to Judaism as a condition of their being allowed to stay. Israel has accepted a shipload of Vietnamese refugees who had sought asylum. No Arab country has accepted a single one of those refugees. Israel has brought in about 70,000 black Ethiopian Jews, who have become fully integrated citizens of Israel. Everything that Blacks were not allowed to do in South Africa is totally open to non-Jews in Israel.”

    “The “Apartheid Wall.” Another reason for which left-wing zealots and anti-Semites like to refer to Israel as the “apartheid state” is the fence between Israel proper and the territories. This fence (which is indeed a fence and not a wall over most of its length) was constructed at great cost in order to prevent the suicidal attacks that had killed hundreds of Israelis and grievously wounded thousands more. Thankfully, this “wall” is exceptionally successful and has totally prevented any such attacks since its completion. There is little question that this separation fence is the cause of inconvenience for some of the Arab population. But it is an annoyance that they have brought about themselves. And, of course, there are walls for protection all over the world. The Chinese invented it hundreds of years ago. Our own country has a long, high, very sophisticated wall across our border with Mexico. It is a wall, not to keep out criminals who want to kill Americans, but people who want to come here only in search of a better life. To call the Israeli fence an “apartheid wall” is an expression of ignorance and of malevolence.”

    “Israel is a light unto the nations. It has, regrettably, many enemies – all or most of the world’s Muslim nations and left-wing ideologues who mostly hate the United States and who consider Israel to be America’s cat’s-paw in the Middle East. The reality, of course, is that Israel is the exact opposite of an apartheid state. It is a country in which all residents, all citizens, enjoy the same full rights. All other countries in the Middle East are benighted theocracies, ruthless tyrannies, or mostly both. To call Israel an apartheid state is an expression of ignorance, anti-Semitism, and malice.”

  14. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    Weiss: Zionism has created ‘rivers of blood’

    When Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, visited Washington last week on the eve of the Purim holiday, he gave Barack Obama, the US president, what he considered a symbolic gift – a copy of the old testament book of Esther.

    Netanyahu called it “background reading on Iran”, since its story concerns relations with Jews in the Persian empire some 2,500 years ago.

    It is considered by scholars to be mostly fiction, but for Netanyahu Esther represented justification for his stance against modern Iran.

    ”Israel must reserve the right to defend itself. And after all that’s the very purpose of the Jewish state. To restore to the Jewish people control over our destiny,” Netanyahu said.

    But Netanyahu’s controversial reading of history, even his fight to preserve the state of Israel, are questioned by many of Judaism’s own religious authorities.

    “This is against the will of the Almighty and this is not what it means to be a Jew,” says Jewish religious scholar Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss, a spokesman for “Jews against Zionism”, who believes that Israel as a state is not legitimate. He says that Zionism has created “rivers of blood” and he opposes the occupation of Palestine.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/2012/03/201231083221669780.html


  15. Yuh know the people who like so much cutting and pasting, calling themselves christians, talking about Palestine with a pseudo-authority and quoting AIPAC controlled idiots like James Inhofe, have never gone to Palestine. They have never seen Bethlehem. The place where their ‘saviour’ is said to have been born, surrounded on three (3) sides by the Apartheid wall. They have never seen what they call the ‘territories’ (the West Bank) as no more than Bantu-stands dotted with more than 300 illegal settlements. Settlements that are connected by road networks that only Jews with the prescribed number plates can drive on. Settlers from Brooklyn and elsewhere who steal the water resources making life impossible for the Palestinians. These criminal christians have never seen Zionists thugs uprooting 1000 year old olive groves making life impossible for Palestinians as a prelude to their expulsion. These dispensationalists are content to be blind to the suffering of Palestinians even although we told them that 40% of Palestinians are christians like themselves, not Muslims. And I could go on and on all day but I won’t. We submit that all of Palestine belong to the Palestinians. The 3,000,000 Palestinians who now live in what they call Israel, the 1,500,000 who live in Gaza and the 5,000,000 who were illegally dispossessed elsewhere in the Arab world. This is your greatest fear. This demographic bomb already means that numerically the Zionist are a minority. Their birth rates are tanking and emigration is increasing. Your latest tactic is to try to destroy al- Aqsa Mosque but this is your red line and there is little time left for you. We consider that the Zionist entity will soon collapse. This may seem impossible to the people who don’t study the issues closely. We don’t pretend to have any supernatural insights but based on what is happening everywhere else it seems like a rational judgement.


  16. Will someone find a way to shoot Zoe … And Moneybrain even if the guy sites facts he is incapable of connecting them ..! Money you in the wrong place tonight even though it might appear that you hitting the target …

    Pachamama

    Jesus Christ man you know that I like you but will you stop referring to Zionist claims as “Settlements”… This is not the wild wild West anymore … Terms like that should be exposed for what they are, derogatory to the displaced…!


  17. “The people (Palestinians) are in need of a ‘MYTH’ to fill their consciousness and imagination…” – Musa Alami, 1948.

    “Since 1948 Arab leaders have approached the Palestine problem in an IRRESPONSIBLE manner…They have USED the Plastine people for SELFISH political purposes. This is rediculous, I could say, even CRIMINAL.” -King Hussein of Jordan, 1960.

    King Hussein, was at least honest enough to acknowledge this reality, he spoke the truth; that since 1948, the inception of Israel’s Statehood, that the Arab leaders, had, and continue to USE the Palestinian people, UP UNTIL TODAY, “…for selfish political purposes, at the EXPENSE of the suffering of their Brothers, in Gaza, all the while, in typical Arab ‘Turnspeak’ DECEPTION, propagating the LIES, of ‘End Israeli agression…occupation…” just waiting for the right moment, to ANNIHILATE Isael and ALL Jews!

    Can’t happen, will NEVER happen; just wait and see, very soon, as Almighty God, makes JERUSALEM a stunbling STONE to ALL nations, the ancient, and present day Capital of Israel.

    Musa Alami! What exactly did he mean, by saying, “The people (Plastinians are in great NEED of a ‘MYTH to FILL their consciousness and imagination…” (1948)

    Beckoning to the Arabs.

    Shortly after Israel’s declared Statehood, (1948) and the WAR instigated exclusively by the Arabs within 48 hours of the nascent Israeli State, the Arabs (so-called Palestinians) in Israel were invited by their fellow Arabs, yes, INVITED to LEAVE* Israel, so that the “INVADING” Arab armies could PURGE the land of Jews. The Arab governments, felt assured, that ‘Baby’ Israel certainly could NOT, in anyway, defend themselves in such infancy of Statehood, let alone WIN any such encounter, against these Arab combined forces.

    They were so COCKY, supposing victory over Israel, a quick victory, that they warned the Arabs in Israel to RUN for their lives.

    Interestingly, according to a research report by the Arab-sponsered Institute for Palestine Studies in Beirut, said, “the majority” of the Arab refugees in 1948 were NOT expelled, and 68% LEFT without seeing and Israeli soldier.

    It was only after the Arab’s defeat in the 1948 war, that having being encouraged by their Arab brothers, to RUN from Israel, THEN to return after the expected quick annihilation of Israel, that some Arab leaders demanded the “return” of the “expelled” refugees to Israel, despite the evidence that Arab leaders had CALLED upon Arabs (Palestinians!) to FLEE.

    At the same time, however, Emile Ghoury, Secretary of the Arab Higher Command, called for the ‘prevention’ of the refugees “return.” Why NOT? Because he stated in the ‘Beirut Telegraph on August 6, 1948, that: “It was inconceivable that the refugees should be sent back to their homes, while occupied by the Jews…It wouls serve (NOTICE!) as a FIRST step toward Arab recognition of the State of Israel, (and rightfully so!) and Partition.”

    This is where activist Musa Alami came into the picture, who despaired, as he saw the problem, as he said, “how can people struggle for thier nation, when they DO NOT KNOW the meaning of the word?….The people (Arab, Palestinians!) are in great NEED of a ‘MYTH’ to fill their consciousness and imagination…” It WAS this concept of creating a LIE, according to Alami, an IMAGINARY INDOCTRINATION, of the ‘MYTH’ of nationality, that NEVER existed before, would FALSELY cresate “indentity” and “self-respect.”

    However, Alami’s croocked proposal never came into dishonesr reality, because other realities between 1948 and 1967, the Arab state of Jordan claimed annexation of the territory WEST of the Jordan River, the “West Bank” area of Palestine, the same area that would later be forwarded by Arab “moderates” as a “mini-state” for the “Palestinians” for all HONEST intent and purpose, JORDAN which WAS CARVED out of 75% of Israel’s officially MANDATED, League of Nations, approval, the precusor to the UN; IS* THE Palestinian State, that is FACT!

    Yet, that area WAS, between 1948 and 1967, called “Arab land,” the peoples were ARABS, not Palestinians, and yet the “MYTH” that Musa Alami prescribed, the cause of “Palestine” for the “Palestinians” remained unheralded, unadopted by the Arabs during two decades. Because, according to Lord Caradon, “Every Arab assumed the Palestinians [refugees] would go BACK to JORDAN, as this land area, represented 75% of the CARVED out land, from Israel’s rightfully mandated Home land, therefore “Every Arab assumed the Palestinians ( who wrere MADE refugees in the first place by their Arab Brothers) would GO BACK to JORDAN”

    “Facts are stubborn things, and onky the stubborn (Dishonest) refuse to accept them.” -Martin Luther King.


  18. BAFBFP | March 18, 2012 at 10:30 PM |
    “Will someone find a way to shoot Zoe…”

    BAFBFP, don’t fool around with me, and such IMPLIED threats, as the authorities will BE NOTIFIED, if such is NOT withdrawn and an apology issued by YOU! Seriously!


  19. Oh shite Zoe sorry … You might appeal to some fella upstairs to take me out with a bolt lightning … I sorry hear ..


  20. BAFBFP.

    How can you threaten a blog handle ?

    How can a person who hides his/her identity on this blog claim to be affected by a threat?

    Don’t fool around with me BAFBFP or the next time you in Toronto I will take you to one of those dens of iniquity on Yonge street.
    Problem is you don’t know me, I don’t know you and we don’t Know Zoe who don’t know sit.

    been watching too many Chris Rock videos recently.lol


  21. But Hants I luvs Yonge Street … As far as I am concerned there is NO such thing as iniquity … ha ha. Met a Trini in one of them dens too. Gave her a twenty and she lap danced for close to twenty minutes. I suppose being Bajan is not without its advantages …

    Look Zoe needed an apology and I gave him one. I was the Christian thing to do 🙁 No sweat off my back. Some of these guys take themselves very seriously and I just let them be (…. not!)


  22. Apostasy, (the undermining of biblical faith to prepare the way for the religion of the Antichrist) is developing at an incredible rate, and contributions are being made through a diversity of unbiblical agendas , and even some very prominent , well respected names are now lending their voices to the lunatic chorus, for whatever reasons, enhancing their own legacies, money,( what else is new,) in terms of book deals, and public speaking for large sums of dollars. Core beliefs are now out through the window.

    The likes of Desmond Tutu and Jimmy Carter , both Nobel Peace laurates, both both using inflammatory rhetoric , and echoing the same misguided , counterproductive bilge.

    Tutu, ‘ Now alas , we see apartheid in Israel ‘. He likens conditions in Israel to the regimes of Hitler, Stalin, Milosovic, Idi Amin. The former president uses the same word in his book ,’ Palestine, peace not Apartheid ‘. Clearly advanced demetia is a contributory factor here . Carter however does’nt seem to be going to the extremes of Tutu,who is calling for deinvesting in Israel, amongst some of the even more radical solutions.

    The Hadith (the sayings of Muhammad allegedly received from Allah) declares that the Judgment Day of Allah won’t come until the rocks and trees cry out to Muslims to kill the Jews that are hiding behind them (Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6981-4). That is anti-Semitism at its worst. They can’t run away from their own documented hatred.

    Look, plain and simple, there will be war of shocking proportions some time soon, millions will be killed on both sides, and you can be sure the Russians and Americans will be drawn in, making it all the more ominous. The world economy will be dealt a massive blow, and so we will all be impacted whether we like to admit it or not.

    We don’t need all the complicated , expert opinions on geoploitics, strategic interests, economic fallout to see the big picture, Who do you think got us in this mess to begin with, THE EXPERTS.

    @ PACHAMMA

    ‘ If those of you who follow a god that is a real estate agent maybe the ancestral peoples of Barbados should be given back their lands too. Maybe the indigenous peoples of what we now call ‘the Americas’ should be given back their lands – if yours is to be the standard of justice.’

    You have just answered the very question you posed. Should the land be given back to Israel ,which they already have, or should they continue to occupy and keep what is there from the beginning? Should the land in Barbados be given back to the original owners, who ever they are? I am sure the likes of you and other property owners would be up in arms, just like the Palestinians today. You can’t have it both ways. Whichever way you see it, the land belongs to the Jewish people.

    We miss the forests because of the trees.


  23. The Other Palestinian Refugees! Who are they?

    “Over the last 40 years, the countries of the Middle East and North Africa, have undergone radical transformation which, among other things, have brought about the near extinction of Jewish communities after 2,000 to 3,000 years of existence.” – Historian/Author Bat Ye’or in 1985

    The Untold Refugee Story

    It has become common reporting about the Middle East problem in the media, both print and TV, in discussion on news, you can’t help but be bombarded by analysis suggesting the key to peace is resolving “the Palestinian refugee issue.”

    But, who are these ‘OTHER’ refugees? And to what extent did they suffer, compared to other refugees, elsewhere?

    In her amazing, monumental work, ‘From Time Immemorial’ Joan Peters put it so well from the revealed facts and evidence:

    “For every refugee – adult or child – in syria, Lebanon or elsewhere in the Arab world who compels our sympathy, there IS* a Jewish REFUGEE who FLED from the Arab country of his birth. For every Arab who moved to neighboring lands, a JEW was FORCED to FLEE from a community where he and his ancestors may have lived for 2,000 years.”

    In this whole fiasco mess, about Palestinian refugees, ALWAYS remembering it WAS, their OWN brother Arabs, who instigated the RUNNING and FLEEING from Israel in the FIRST place, and THEN and NOW are responsible, through SELFISH political agenda, that HAVE these Arab (So-called) Palestinian brothers, of THEIRS, in this MESS, NOT the Jews or the State of Israel.

    However, the world SELDOM, if ever, hears about the more tan 800,000 Jewish REFUGEES who FELD Arab TERROR and HATRED and settled in Israel. Maybe, it is because every SINGLE one of those refugees WAS accepted, resettled and provided for by the struggling Jewish state without question or hesitation; UNLIKE the Arab nations, who would NOT accept and resettle their OWN Arab brothers, (So-called) Palestinians, but KEPT, and still DO, these Arab, brothers IN* Refugee camps until this very day in Gaza.

    EXODUS, PHASE II

    Here are some indisputable FACTS. In 1948, there were more than 850,000 Jews living in the Arab world. Today, there are fewer than 29,000. Where were those Jewish dhimmi communities in the Arab world? Before Israel was reborn (1948) between 125,000 and 135,000 Jews lived in Iraq; 75,000 lived in Egypt; 30,000 lived in Syria; 55,000 lived in Yemen; 8,000 lived in Aden; 265,000 lived in Morocco; up to 140,000 lived in Algeria; 105,000 lived in Tunisia; 5,000 lived in Lebanon; and some 38,000 lived in Libya. ( From Time Immermorial, p.116)

    Where are these Jews NOW? What happened to THEM? Where are their PROPERTY and financial resources? WHY are they NEVER mentioned in the “Palestinian refugee debate” that keeps being trumpted in the United Nations and the Media?

    Again, in, ‘From TIME IMMERMORIAL’ Peters explains:

    “The Arab world has been virtualy EMPTIED of its Jews, and the fledgling Jewish state would BEAR the burden of its HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Jewish- Arab-born REFUGEES almost in secret. So unknown and undisclosed are these Arab-born Jews and the PLIGHT they have faced – camps, squalor, UPROOTING, loss of PROPERTY and security; discontent, unemployment, and what they sensed to be neglect of their problems in Israel – that in countless conversations outside the Middle East with academics or professionals, from university graduates, to blue-collar worker, including Jews as well as non-Jews, when the question of the “Middle East refugees” is RAISED, almost without exception, the response IS*, “You mean the Palestinians- the Arabs of course.” It IS as though the sad and painful story of the Arab-born Jewish REFUGEES had been ERASED, their STRUGGLE cover over by a REVISON of the pages of history.”

    WHY THE COVER UP? Why isn’t it reported? Why isn’t IT chronicled? Why isn’t IT remember? Is Arab nations are responsible for EXPELLING Jews in the same NUMBERS as the much-publicized Arab refugee displaced after the creation of Israel, WHY isn’t the obvious solution a simple population exchange? The ENORMITY of the Muslim ‘MYTH’ being swallowed by the West is NOWHERE more graphically illustrated than in this ISSUE.

    The SALIENT POINT, IS* there IS* NO* moral equivalence in this situation, NONE!

    Secondly, the Jews did NOT drive out Palestinian refugees. They were NOT threatened or killed, so as to terrorize survivors into leaving. In many cases Palestinians were BEGGED by Jews to STAY. However, as already noted, they were ORDERED to LEAVE ‘temporarily” by the COMBINED Muslim armies who PROMISED to ANNIHILATE Jews and the new state.

    On the other hand, Jews living in Arab countries, were TERRORIZED, murdered, and DRIVEN OUT. Their properties and assets were CONFISCATED. Those who escaped were thankful, just to be alive.

    The Jews were received and immediately repatriated into the new FRAGILE State of Israel. They were given aid and jobs to the best ability of the STRUGGLING new country.

    This kind of humanitarian LOVE and concern was NEVER extended to the Arab (So-called) Palestinians, by their Brother ‘Arabs’ NO! NO!NO!, they were/ARE still KEPT in Gaza, using this as a disgusting POLITICAL ploy, which the world Media et al, in IGNORACE of the truth and FACTS have bought into, hook, line and sinker!

    The Palestinians were DELIBERATELY FORCED into REFUGEE camps and NOT permitted to integrate INTO the society of their UNWILLING hosts; even though they were FELLOW MUSLIMS. They didn’t even try to help them; instead, they prevailed upon the United Nations to supply the refugees’ needs. Kept in these camps by their OWN people for more than 60 years, they are USED as political PAWS so Muslims can continue to trump UP charges of “ISRAELI AGGRESSION.”

    These ARE some of the salient FACTS and TRUTH, that the Arab, Islamic world of ‘Turnspeak’ a vicious, maligning, of, and TWISTING of the TRUTH, to create the LIE, that Israel is the agressor, A LIE from the Pit of Hell, and the majority of the world media, and World Leaders, who have not taken the time to read and study the historical FACTS of these ancient Jews, and their undeniable right to their ancient home land, have sided with this ISLAMIC agenda of LIES, LIES, and more LIES!

    But, Almighty God, who first created the Jewish people, from Abraham onwards, has PROMISED, that when He brings THEM back to their ancient HOME LAND, (1948) after 2,000 years of dispersion, they will NEVER AGAIN, be dispersed.NEVER!

  24. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    Ph.D | March 19, 2012 at 6:52 AM |
    ” Look, plain and simple, there will be war of shocking proportions some time soon, millions will be killed on both sides, and you can be sure the Russians and Americans will be drawn in, making it all the more ominous. The world economy will be dealt a massive blow, and so we will all be impacted whether we like to admit it or not. ‘

    I agree with your assessment of the ME outcome. Maybe the threat of Armageddon is upon us.
    Bu the question to you is: On which side would your old god of vengeance and the modern-day god Jesus take in this battle? On which side would Allah, the alleged giver of special protection to his subservient and submissive Islamic people.
    Would those millions of innocent folks (for example those living in the high mountains of Nepal or Tibet) be caught up in this cataclysmic event because two gods are at war- one name Yahweh and the other Allah (both meaning the same thing)? Would they be using the poor innocent and ignorant creature as pawns, cannon fodder to be caught up as collateral damage in the religious indoctrination warfare? May be it’s time the Anunnaki or Elohim return to save their genetic engineering experiment from themselves.

    If you want the land that your bible idol promised to the Jacob (Israelite) seed of Abraham (disinheriting of course the descendants of the “outside” child Ishmael- subsequently legitimized in the eyes of your god through an act of bigamy- and the look-alike Esau of the Cain lineage), then advise white Americans go back to their ancestral European homelands and return the currently unauthorized occupied plains to the indigenous people of these pre-Columbus land masses. Many of these “barbaric and primitive tribes” are still around. Please overlook this attempt to describe the natives in language you might be quite familiar with and feel comfortable using while looking through a lens by which you judge the non Judeo-Christian world.


  25. It is from the term “Philistines” that the name “Palestinians” has been taken. Actually, the ancient Philistines and modern Palestinians have something in common: both are invaders from other lands! That is precisely the meaning of their name, that is not an ethnic denomination but an adjective applied to them: Peleshet, from the verb “pelesh”, “dividers”, “penetrators” or “invaders”.

    Palestinians are the newest of all the peoples on the face of the Earth, and began to exist in a single day by a kind of supernatural phenomenon that is unique in the whole history of mankind.

    Quoting Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist,

    ‘Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?” Another one,

    “We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians – they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.

    They were Jordanians (another recent British invention, as there has never been any people known as “Jordanians”), and a mish mash of other Arabs, mostly Syrian, and after the Six-Day War in which Israel utterly defeated/demolished the coalition of nine Arab states and took legitimate possession of Judea and Samaria, the Arab dwellers in those regions underwent a kind of anthropological miracle and discovered that they were Palestinians – something they did not know the day before. Another thing, has there ever been any Palestinian archaelogical find, or established Palestinian state in human history?

    But you know what , all of this does’nt mean a damn thing. The reality that we are about to face is what really counts.

    @miller,
    I keep saying that I don’t judge anyone. There will be Jews and Gentiles, RC and Muslim, Persian and Israelite, American , British
    Tibetan and Mongolian who will lose their lives and livelihoods when the waste matter hits the fan, and all of those same groups will be judged by the Almighty on the day of reconing. Those who fall short will know their fate , those who pass the test will reap the rewards.

    I agree with you that the threat of Armageddon is real. It is nothing to look forward to, and there will be no winners.


  26. The “Vengeful God” of the Old Testament
    – (OR) –
    The “ALL Forgiving” God of the New Testament

    WHICH GOD DID JESUS PREACH?

    The “Vengeful God” of the Old Testament
    – (OR) –
    The “ALL Forgiving” God of the New Testament

    WHICH GOD DID JESUS PREACH?

    Some people contend that the God of the Old Testament
    is a very different God from the God of The New Testament.

    They say that the Old Testament God is Vengeful and judgemental. –
    while they insist that the God of the New Testament is an
    ALL FORGIVING – all enduring – tolerant God that will never
    punish anyone.

    Because Jesus preached love and forgiveness, many feel
    that he would never participate in any type of punishment
    or retribution upon mankind. But what do the scriptures say?
    Did Jesus ever threaten to harm anyone? Does
    The New Testament give any warnings of reprisal?

    LET THE SCRIPTURES SPEAK
    FOR THEMSELVES

    “In the past God overlooked such ignorance,
    but now he commands all people everywhere
    to repent. For he has set a day
    when he will judge the world with justice
    by the man he has appointed.
    He has given proof of this to all men
    by raising him from the dead.”
    (Acts 17:30,31)(NIV)-BibleGateway

    “…For there is going to come a day of judgment
    when God…will judge all people according to what
    they have done. He will give eternal life to those
    who persist in doing what is good…But he will pour
    out his anger and wrath on those who live for
    themselves, who refuse to obey the truth.”
    (Romans 2:5-8)(NLT)-BibleGateway

    “…This will happen when the Lord Jesus
    is revealed from heaven in blazing fire
    with his powerful angels.
    He will punish those who do not know God
    and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
    They will be punished with everlasting destruction
    and shut out from the presence of the Lord
    and from the majesty of his power
    on the day he comes to be glorified.”
    (2Thessalonians 1:7-10)(NIV)-BibleGateway

    “…they do NOT listen to God’s word
    or OBEY it, and so they meet the fate
    that has been planned for them.”
    (1Peter 2:8)(NLT)-BibleGateway

    “God will give to each person
    according to what he has done.”
    (Romans 2:6) (NIV) -BibleGateway

    “…each will receive his own reward
    according to his own labor. ”
    (1Corinthians 3:8) (NASB) -BibleGateway

    “And remember that the heavenly Father
    to whom you pray has no favorites
    when he judges. He will judge or reward
    you according to what you do. So you must
    live in reverent fear of him…”
    (1Peter 1:17)(NLT)-BibleGateway

    “…Those who don’t obey the Son
    will never experience eternal life,
    but the wrath of God remains upon them.”
    (John 3:36)(NLT)-BibleGateway

    “If we deliberately keep on sinning
    after we have received the knowledge of the truth,
    no sacrifice for sins is left,
    but only a fearful expectation of judgment
    and of raging fire that will consume
    the enemies of God.”
    (Hebrews 10:26,27)(NIV)-BibleGateway

    “…..For it will come upon all those
    who live on the face of the whole earth.
    Be always on the watch,
    and pray that you may be able to escape
    all that is about to happen,
    and that you may be able to stand
    before the Son of Man.”
    (Luke 21:25-27,35,36)(NIV)-BibleGateway

    “…This will happen when the Lord Jesus
    is revealed from heaven in blazing fire
    with his powerful angels.
    He will punish those who do not know God
    and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
    They will be punished with everlasting destruction
    and shut out from the presence of the Lord
    and from the majesty of his power
    on the day he comes to be glorified.”
    (2Thessalonians 1:7-10)(NIV)-BibleGateway

    “See, I have warned you beforehand.”
    (Matthew 24:25)(AMP)-BibleGateway

    “I have told you this,
    so that when the time comes
    you will remember that I warned you.”
    (John 16:4)(NIV)-BibleGateway

    “Listen to this carefully.
    I’m warning you.”
    (Mark 3:28)(MSG)-BibleGateway

    “…The Lord will punish men for all such sins,
    as we have already told you and warned you.”
    (1Thessalonians 4:6)(NIV)-BibleGateway

    “First of all, you must understand that
    in the last days scoffers will come,
    scoffing and following their own evil desires.
    They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised?
    By the same word – the present heavens and earth
    are reserved for fire, being kept for the day
    of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.”
    (2Peter 3:3,4,7)(NIV)-BibleGateway

    “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire,
    so it will be at the end of the age.”
    (Matthew 13:40)(NIV)-BibleGateway

    “I have come to bring fire on the earth,
    and how I wish it were already kindled!”
    (Luke 12:49)(NIV)-BibleGateway

    “But the day Lot left Sodom,
    fire and sulfur rained down from heaven
    and destroyed them all.
    It will be just like this
    on the day the Son of Man is revealed.”
    (Luke 17:29-30)(NIV)-BibleGateway

    “I tell you that it will be more bearable
    for Sodom on the day of judgment
    than for you.”
    (Matthew 11:24) (NIV) -BibleGateway

    “…a male child, who is about to rule all
    the nations with a rod of iron…”
    (Revelation 12:5)(YLT)-BibleGateway
    “From his mouth came a sharp sword,
    and with it he struck down the nations.
    He ruled them with an iron rod,
    and he trod the winepress of the
    fierce wrath of almighty God.”
    (Revelation 19:15)(NLT)-BibleGateway

    “And he shall rule them with a Rod of Iron,
    as the vessels of the potter are broken to pieces,
    just as I have received authority from My Father.”
    (Revelation 2:27)(NASB)-BibleGateway

    “…And you will destroy all who have caused
    destruction on the earth.”
    (Revelation 11:18)(NLT)-BibleGateway

    “The harvest is the end of the age,
    and the harvesters are angels.
    The Son of Man will send out his angels,
    and they will “WEED OUT” of his kingdom
    everything that causes sin and all who do evil.”
    (Matthew 13:36-41) (NIV) -BibleGateway

    “As the “WEEDS” are pulled up
    and burned in the fire,
    so it will be at the end of the age.”
    (Matthew 13:14)(NIV)-BibleGateway

    “But God has promised us
    a new heaven and a new earth,
    where justice will rule.
    We are really looking forward to that!”
    (2Peter 3:13)(CEV)-BibleGateway


  27. @PhD
    Yes, we made a number of errors. Thanks for your corrections. We are practicing on some voice recognition software called ‘Dragon’. Still trying to get it right.

  28. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    Just an example of how wicked these Israelis are:

    Israelis rejoice at the death of Palestinian children in bus accident

    A story appeared in Israel’s Haaretz newspaper last month about what happened after nine Palestinian children and one adult were killed in a school bus accident north of Jerusalem..

    Firefighters at the site of a crash between a truck and a school bus transporting Palestinian children between Jerusalem and the West Bank city of Ramallah on Feb. 16, 2012. At least ten Palestinian children from east Jerusalem were killed when their school bus was hit by a truck on a road in the West Bank.
    In “Enemies, a hate story”, Gideon Levy described the coverage of the story as “Workmanlike overall if faceless and depersonalized.”

    The accident would have been followed by “a lot more blood and tears” if the children had been Jewish, adds Levy.

    But worse than ignoring the tragic deaths of the children when an Israeli truck overturned their bus were the nasty, hateful things that Israelis had to say on the internet.

    They revealed their names and their Facebook photos, spewing forth nauseating, hate-permeated racism that seemed to exceed anything seen here previously,” wrote Levy.

    “Relax, these are Palestinian children,” Benny Dazanashvili wrote on Twitter.

    “It seems these are Palestinians … God willing,” posted Tal Biton.

    “I hope every day there is a bus like this,” chipped in Itai Viltzig.

    “Dozens, if not hundreds, of Internet surfers said a prayer of thanks – for the terrible death by fire of young children on a school field trip – and the responses were featured on the web pages of the prime minister and the Israel Police and the Walla! Web portal,” wrote Levy.

    The only light came from Meira Baruch, who wrote: “I’m 63 years old. Only a few times in my life have I been ashamed to be a Jew. Today I am ashamed. How can anyone rejoice over the death of little children?”

    http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2012/03/06/israelis-rejoice-death-palestinian-children/


  29. @ Carson C

    But look at the “nasty, hateful” things some people say on here. BAF wants Zoe killed and she’s a shorn lamb too. Oh yes, and Israel exterminated. The important thing is not what a few crazies said – unless it was all carefully contrived by some counter-Mossad group, which would not surprise me – but what Meira Baruch said surely.


  30. Be not deceived God is not mock ! for whatever a man soweth that he shall surely reap .those who sow the wind will reap the whirlwind .God is the author of PEACE and for over 50 years their has been no peace between Israel and Palestine .yet one must believe that GOD was the master mind behind his instability , How can that be! seems like MAN has opened a Pandora’s box and one which they are unable to close. No WAy is a “GOOD GOD” responsible for this madness.For the BIBLE teaches GOD IS LOVE! and The anything but LOVE is being demonstrated between Palestinian israeli


  31. Is it fare to Judge Israel’s Hospitals, Doctors, and Medical personel, by an uncaring, ignorant, handfull of Bloggers? Hardly!

    Read who are attacking Israel’s Doctors and Ambulances, as they respond to Arabs, Palestinians!

    Palestinians:Why Do They Attack Doctors and Ambulances?
    by Khaled Abu Toameh
    November 9, 2010 at 5:00 am

    http://www.stonegateinstitute.org/1654/palestinians-attack-doctors-ambulances

    Arabs living in Israel have always enjoyed free and unlimited access to medical services. Israeli hospitals have always been full of Arab patients, who often heap praise on doctors and nurses for offering them the best treatment.

    Even Arabs from neighboring countries have been seeking medical treatment in Israeli hospitals.

    This is why it is hard to understand why any Arab would ever consider attacking Israeli medical staff. How do such attacks help the Palestinian cause or any Arab or Islamic cause?

    Those who think that the attacks on ambulances and medical teams will help “liberate” Palestine are criminals who should be punished severely.

    It is sad that leaders of the Arab community have not come out in full force to condemn the despicable phenomenon. Those who are refusing to come out in public against the attacks on ambulances are as bad as the rock-throwers, who are causing huge damage to Arabs and endangering their lives.

    Lately, there have been a number of incidents where Arabs hurled stones at Israeli Magen David [Israeli equivalent of the Red Cross, the Shield of David] ambulances in Jerusalem and other parts of the country. What is particularly outrageous is the fact that the ambulances are pelted with stones when they arrive at an Arab neighborhood to help Arabs.

    Last week, two Magen David ambulances that were rushed to an Arab village in Jerusalem to save the life of a young man who had fallen from the fifth floor of a building were attacked with big stones by local youths. Miraculously, no one was hurt in the attack, but a lot of damage was caused to the vehicles.

    In a separate incident last month, dozens of Arabs hurled stones at paramedics who came to treat a man who had been seriously injured in a car accident near the Arab city in Israel of Umm al-Fahm.

    There is absolutely nothing “heroic” or “patriotic” about attacking ambulances, paramedics, physicians and nurses, especially not when they are trying to save the lives of the perpetrators and their family members. The real heroes are the medical teams and ambulance drivers, not the thugs and cowards who throw the stones.

    Many Arabs in Jerusalem are extremely grateful to the Israeli medical teams for their services. Hundreds, if not thousands, of Arabs can testify how these paramedics and doctors saved their lives.

    Just two weeks ago, a 65-year-old Arab woman in Jerusalem who suffered a heart attack talked about how the Magen David medical team that rushed to her home had literally saved her life.

    Sadly, however, Israeli ambulances have been instructed not to enter Arab areas without a police escort because of the recurring attacks on the vehicles and medical staff. This has caused delays in the arrival of the ambulances to their destination.

    Magen David paramedics should be commended for the great work they are doing to offer the best medical treatment to patients — regardless of their nationality and religion. They should be commended for endangering their lives to enter Arab villages and neighborhoods to save lives.


  32. Israeli doctors save Palestinian baby

    Gazan seven-month-old’s life saved thanks to open-heart surgery in Israeli hospital. ‘Hopefully, this is a good sign for peace,’ says child’s grandfather

    A seven-month-old Palestinian baby was recently saved from certain death by doctors in an Israeli hospital.

    The baby, Odai Al-Kafarna was brought to Israel from Gaza by his grandmother Haniya in order to undergo open-heart surgery, according to theworld.org.

    New Life

    ‘Troops reassured me as I went into labor’ / Omri Efraim

    Shirin Muhammad Salamin, 27, recounts positive experience of giving birth to baby boy in military ambulance with help of IDF soldiers
    Full story

    Simply put, Odai was born with a hole in his heart, causing it to work inefficiently. One side of the organ was approximately a third larger than it should have been, according to doctors, causing it to wear itself out. The surgery closed the hole using a small piece of gortex. Without surgery, Odai would not have lived long.

    “In this case we caught it early,” said Godwin Jeffrey, a Tanzanian doctor on a three-year training stint with the Israeli non-profit organization, Save a Child’s Heart. “The patient will improve like any other person and he will have a very normal lifespan.”

    Save a Child’s Heart is an Israeli-based group of pediatric heart surgeons who have saved more than 2,600 children with congenital heart defects from 36 countries including Iraq, Jordan, Sudan, and the Palestinian Authority. As well, Israel itself issues permits to more than 10,000 Palestinians from the Gaza Strip every year to enable them to seek medical attention at Israeli hospitals.

    No hospital in Gaza has a high-tech by-pass machine, like the one Odai was hooked up to during the surgery.

    ‘We don’t have problems with each other’
    Odai and his grandmother stayed in Israel for three weeks, before leaving the hospital and returning to their home in Beit Hanoun, in the northern Gaza Strip. Haniya, who had previously been to Israel just once, 20 years ago, said that the hospital staff treated her grandson very well.

    “People are good,” she said. “Regular people are good everywhere. We don’t have problems with each other.”

    Upon returning home, there was a welcome party made up of a couple dozen relatives and neighbors who waited outside, some with fireworks ready, for the arrival of the baby. Odai’s grandfather, Mahmoud Al-Kafarna said, “It’s almost as if Odai has come back from the dead.”

    “Hopefully, this is a good sign for peace,” said Al-Kafarna, who expressed his gratitude towards the doctors. He fondly recalled the days before the intifada, when PA Arabs from Gaza interacted with Israelis on a daily basis.

    “Maybe a family like ours one day can go visit a sick relative in an Israeli hospital. And maybe, relations between Palestinians and Israelis, eventually, will get back to normal. That’s what we wish for.”
    Both Odai’s 21-year-old father, Ali Al-Kafarna and his mother, Taghreed, were thrilled to see their son return home healthy.

    “These past three weeks were incredibly difficult,” said Taghreed. “But calling the hospital to hear the baby babble a little over the phone – that helped a lot.”

    “I must be the happiest man in the world,” agreed Ali.

    Reprinted with permission from Shalom Life


  33. Think on this! “At the time of the end … He (Anti-Christ) will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. He will also invade the Beautiful Land (Israel). Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon (Modern Jordan) will be delivered from his hand.” … “Yahweh has established his throne in heaven and his kingdom rules over all.” (Daniel 11:40-41; Psalm 103:19)

    “…till he knew that the Most High God, ( The ONE and ONLY, Almighty God) RULES in the kingdom of men, and appoints over it, WHOMEVER He CHOOSES.” Dan. 5:21b)

    “One of two things causes a man to change his mind and reverse his plans: want of foresight to anticipate everything, or lack of foresight to execute them. But as God is both omniscient and omnipotent there is never any need for Him to revise His decrees.”—A.W. Pink, English Bible scholar from the 20th century


  34. All of this ‘love’ for a book which was translated for a King of England. James a man who murdered his own MOTHER. A who hated women. A book that did not appear until at least 100 years after the death of Jesus. Jesus a MAN who himself could not have been a christian. Christians who are the representatives of all that is evil.


  35. Pachamama

    The thing that does cook my goose is that this Jesus guy and the people who followed him (if it is in fact true) was about a NEW way forward. The way I see it is that there should be NO referring to the OLD testament (which is basically Jewish shite and all) in Christianity,.. they are mutually exclusive. And even is you were to reflect on allot that is said in the New Testament and compare it with pagan religions (Constantine’s people) the similarities are to stark to ignore …


  36. @BAFBFP
    My central point is that this King James was a rabid homosexual. This is coming from a mind that thinks people could be whoever they want to be, I don’t care. Has nothing to do with me. However, what divinity would let a ‘man’ that lacks moral turpitude anywhere near the essence of what christians say they are or are to represent? A murderer!


  37. Funny that the Jews do not acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah or believe in the Trinity (Father , Son, Holy Ghost as one).
    Yet still, so called christians like Zoe and a few wannabes on BU, would readily berate JWs, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics as cults and evil.
    These discussions always bring out the hypocrisy in those like Zoe.


  38. Yes there should be reference to the good book as what we areseeing now is the eqivalent of Jacob and ESAU story where the yoingest stole the oldest blessing. Moreover the Modern day Israelis are not the ones referred to in tbe oldTEstament since those where of Hebrew origin and were of darkskinned aLie of biblical propotions has been foisted upon mankind and the thought of peace in the ME is just that as GOD said His ways are higher than man.s


  39. Hi techie how are you doing? stillriding .but as we all know that hypocrites have two faces Zoes and all alike would plunder others of different Faiths with all kind of bibilcal terminology butthe masquerading impostors who have no right fartherless ,godgiven ” rights/to Plaestine he would acknoweldge even thouigh the BIBLE clearly differentiate by color and origin who the Jews are.


  40. @BAFBFP
    Sometime back you stated that you never intended to communicate with me again. Wha happen? Discrediting and insulting me in a veiled attempt to discourage me from destroying your lame arguments would be a great strategy if it was not so transparent. What idiot would want you to like them anyway.

    You always want to use the racial position which you say is all inclusive…all white people. Please dont make a fool of yourself by exposing your ignorance. You should take a leaf from the books of 2 of the greatest black leaders MLK and Mr Mandela, who both understood that there are potentially useful people in the racial group who have acted as oppressors.

    I trust you have the ability to grasp what I have stated here since you generally are not capable of following what I say. When one has an elevated IQ it sometimes appears unnecessary to spell out every lil connection for the NOT so fortunate, it becomes very boring.

    @Pachamama
    Runway from BAFBFP while you can, he has very convincing arguments for people with an IQ below 110. So you probably spotted him early!


  41. @BAFBFP
    Surprisingly your point about the Old Testament makes sense. What you FAIL to elucidate is that all religions are tainted by humans who misunderstand, purposely corrupt the truth and utilise the religion to subjugate/ exploit the people. Islam has the same types of blemishes among its exponents as Christianity.

  42. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Moneybrain | March 20, 2012 at 7:31 PM |
    “all religions are tainted by humans who misunderstand, purposely corrupt the truth and utilise the religion to subjugate/ exploit the people.”

    Please explain to a layman with an IQ below 80 (yes I did the MENSA test and my score was 75: LOL!!) what you mean by “purposely corrupting the TRUTH”.
    I was under the ‘overstanding’ that the Truth stood on its own above human infection or infestation. Truth by definition cannot be found through man-made religions only through an individual spiritual relationship with the divine source and sustenance of life on this planet free from the material contamination spread among the gullible in churches, mosques and temples? Not true! If a lie, may the countenance of the Sun turn towards me and blind me like Saul on his way to assassinate a few ‘Christian’ rebels.


  43. @ Moneybrain

    “I trust you have the ability to grasp what I have stated here since you generally are not capable of following what I say.”

    How could I follow that which leadeth nowhere …?


  44. @ BAF

    ‘A new way forward’ – yes. But remember Jesus was a Jew, as was his principal interpreter (datewise) Paul. It all caused a lot of problems in the early church. Hence the words attributed to Jesus: I come not to destroy but fulfil the law. Your favourite people got up something they called ‘the Jesus seminar’ to try to elucidate which of Jesus’ sayings in the Gospels were authentic. The RC Church regards them as heretics. When the leader of this group died prematurely a monk on EWTN said it was an Act of God punishing him for his infidelity to his ‘Word’. I guess Zoe would approve.


  45. @ Miller

    Yes, experience – the ‘come and see’ of life, which is the ‘truth’ for now (without prejudice to the laws of mathematics). And hence, I suppose, the ‘truth value’ of John Lennon’s song “God” in which the theme is ‘I believe in me’ (not Jesus, not Buddha, not tarot, not Kennedy, not Yoga etc). A conditioned person sees what he wants to see, hears what he wants to hear. He remains in his safety zone, his prison walls. And I want to say that the Gospels challenge us to step outside and, in that sense, become rebels. Or, to use a different metaphor, and so break all the rules, to sail through the Pillars of Hercules into the uncharted sea.


  46. @BAFBFP
    It would be better to follow MB leading nowhere than follow your diatribe leading in the precisely wrong direction.

  47. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ robert ross | March 20, 2012 at 8:26 PM |
    “Or, to use a different metaphor, and so break all the rules, to sail through the Pillars of Hercules into the uncharted sea.”

    The TRUTH will always set you free. It shall be with you until the end of time.
    And always remember RR: “IF YOU TELL THE TRUTH YOU DO NOT HAVE TO REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID!”


  48. Moneybrain

    One thing ’bout you … you stubborn. Now is that a good thing or a bad thing … Funny how you think that I don’ mek nah sense and I convinced that you stupid as shite … Wish I could buy you drinks, maybe there would be some movement … (… wah is dah I smellin’ …?)


  49. @ac….

    Haven’ been riding…in the gym…..still in New York and weather now getting nice. Should be home soon for a while to get some R&R.
    Had a sciatic nerve issue so still getting treatment but you might catch me on the roads soon on early mornings in a few weeks 😉


  50. The TRUTH Shall Make You Free!

    Truth, by definition IS* ABSOLUTE!

    “Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed HIM. ‘IF you abide in MY WORD*, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall KNOW* the TRUTH*, and the TRUTH* shall make you FREE.” (John. 8:31,32) Emphasis added

    KNOW: From the Gk word ‘ginosko’ Compare ‘prognosis,’ ‘gnomic,’ ‘gnomon,’ ‘gnostic.’ Meaning to PERCEIVE, understand, recognize, GAIN KNOWLEDGE* realize, come to KNOW* ‘Ginosko’, is the KNOWLEDGE that has an INCEPTION, a PROGRESS, and ATTAINMENT. It IS* the recognition of TRUTH* by personal experience.

    “Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your SON, that Your SON also may Glorify YOU. As you have given Him AUTHORITY* over ALL FLESH, that He should GIVE Eternal LIFE* to as many as You have givem Him.”

    “And this IS* Eternal LIFE* that they may KNOW* YOU, the Only TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.”

    “I have given them Your WORD* and the world (Evil system) has HATED* them because they are NOT of this world, (system) just as I am not of this world…they are not of this world, just as I am NOT of this world.”

    “Sanctify (set apart) them by YOUR TRUTH* Your WORD* IS* TRUTH*

    “These things I have spoken to you ( My disciples, Genuine followers of Jesus) that IN* ME* you may have PEACE*. In the (evil) world (system) you will have TRIBULATION* but be of good cheer, I HAVE OVERCOME the (Evil) world.”

    TRIBULATION: From the Gk word ‘ thlip-sis’, Meaning Pressure, oppression, stress, anguish, adversity, affliction, crushing, squashing, squeezing, distress. Imagine placing your hand on a stack of loose items and manually compressing them. That IS* ‘thilpsis’ putting a lot of pressure on that which is FREE and unfettered. ‘Thilipsis’ is like ‘Spiritual’ bench-pressing. The word is used of crushing grapes or olive in a press.

    This is what the True, genuine, disciples, committed followers of Jesus, throughout the last 2000 years have been subjected to, as they take a resolute stand for HIM, whom they KNOW* is the Eternal personification of TRUTH* absolutely so, without one shadow of doubt, NONE!

    Because, as “JESUS said to him, ‘I AM the WAY* (not one of many ways) THE TRUTH* ( not one of many truths) and THE LIFE* ( the essence and Giver of Eternal LIFE) NO ONE comes to the Father EXCEPT through ME.”
    ( John. 17: 1,2,3, 14, 17; 16:32; 14:6)

    No secular, university education, or humanistic philosophy, or ANY other world system of mundane, pagan religious FOLLY, etc, etc, can begin to FATHOM, perceive, NOR understand, the Eternal WORD, of absolute TRUTH* spoken by Jesus Christ, AND the amazing REALITY of transformation, wrought from WITHIN those who have EXPERIENCED, HIS* power, at work in their lives, even through the PERSECUTION, He said we would suffer, is inevitable!

    The Glory that awaits us, with Him, makes this persecution, but a transient, temporal thing, nothing compared with the unspeakable Joy, Peace, and Eternal Life, bestowed on those WHO, Love, Honor, and Glorify, HIM!

    So it be!

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