Halsall I wrote “we did have”
instead of “had” cause I is a Bajan.

@islandgal
I’m glad you balanced the “male bashing” with the need for women to also play their part. It’s a big part for both sexes.

@Hants, David and Chris
An abundance of good male teachers are a thing of the past. You would mostly find them now in industrial/science areas now and lets be honest, a good few of them are grappling with their own sexuality (another issue all together). All other teaching areas are heavily female dominated. Female teachers of old brought a “natural maternal” slant to teaching that enhanced their pastoral and academic care as well as their teaching. Most female teachers now are either young and ill equipped; older, tired and unable to handle the challenges being presented; or focused on things other than what many of our young boys need when they come to school.

If we’re really interested in the damage being done to our young growing males just check the male-female teacher ratio in primary schools. Our problems are being created long before secondary school.

Our problems are being created long before secondary school.
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…and this particular problem has its genesis in co-education.

@bush tea
Your views on co education has some merit. I was never in favor of single sex schools, but, for some members of our male population, this may be the answer. The problem is though, even in all boys schools, female teachers are still generally the majority. Erego back to the original problem. What I would say, is that a system that expects boys and girls to sit side by side and operate, learn, behave, speak, express themselves and internalise and self actualise in the same way at the same level is flawed from day one. Sadly, this is what we gave happening at our pre and primary school and to some degree our homes.

@Jack Spratt

Your position on coed seems clear.

Let us back up a bit.

Do you accept that the current system is not working for boys?

If the answer is yes please share your view in more than two sentences.

David, not working for which boys? Some boys won Barbados Scholarships and Exhibitions; some boys are at the top of Barbados politics, education, law, medicine, business…. some boys are on the block, some boys are in prison. Are you suggesting the system is not working because of this?

@David

Looks like you facilitating a forum for misogynists, first it was the female teachers and now it is coeducation. It seems that whenever we discuss any issue that is plaguing our society there is always someone to blame. In other forums it is the Guyanese and Jamaicans I am beginning to see a pattern.

Forget about Singapore our society should be more enlightened like Saudi Arabia where women don’t inter mingle with men unless they are married or related to them, that will teach those pesky Bajan women a thing or two.

And they say that Neanderthals are extinct.

Sargeant……. you’ve noticed as well? Even the killings are done by foreigners. I have always noticed that there is a very deep hatred of Bajan women by many Bajan men. I wonder why? Jealousy perhaps?

If these things were easily understood do you think that all over the world standards would be falling just when we have more knowledge, more technology and more resources than EVER in history?

Use a bit of common sense.
Obviously we are doing somethings FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG.

For example:
In this particular case, the ‘experts’ who designed mankind did so with a specific plan in mind. The male species were DESIGNED with specific strengths and the female with different strengths. TOGETHER they can form a powerful team and accomplish almost anything.

One of the designed roles of men is that of leadership.
Any society without strong leadership is DOOMED. The planned, specific training of LEADERS is therefore a VITAL aspect of planning for the future of any society.

Everyone and his cousin knows that between the ages of about 12 to 16 boys mature more slowly than girls. After this age, the situation resolves itself.

OBVIOUSLY if you create a system where your most talented boys at age 12 are forced to be ‘educated’ with girls of the same age they will come out second best during this period. By age 16 there are too far behind to catch up in the intense academic race to certification….
Then there is the challenge of distractions all day long at the puberty stage of a macho boy’s life….
By age 16 many of these boys will have given up in frustration and turned to other areas where their natural macho tendencies can prevail (this only applies to the REAL men who are potential leaders CH – so you need not worry LOL) – i.e the Blocks, sex, the Gangs, maybe Sport etc

Can you see where our REAL NATURAL leaders are?
Check the ZRs, the Blocks and the Bad Boys….Can you see why the police cannot match these groups? where are the REAL leaders?

Why after decades does the ZRs continue to dictate the culture of our youth? Because that is where our real leaders have been pushed…

The other problem is that the co-ed system then produces a set of females who have no understanding of these kinds of issues and who make the process even more difficult for those 12 year-olds as teachers….

Co-education is the absolutely best and cheapest method of destroying any society.

“Can you see where our REAL NATURAL leaders are?”

Does a “LEADER” have to have a “Doggie”? Before women were muzzled and told that they are weak, is that not so is it?. Maybe physically but how many men have given birth, worked and brought up a family singlehandedly ? Because the Caveman tactics are no longer working men are at a loss to solving relationship issues so in turn they abandon their women and offspring. We have also created a whoring society, a society where if a woman don’t give up the cat, she ent getting nuh money to support her children.

Perhaps the society is showing us to look for leaders in the opposite sex. Until males learn what is a REAL man there will always be men on the block doing nutting all day.

Groups like the boys Scouts has helped mould young boys into model citizens, but to become a member one has to have nuff money to join. The uniform alone cost the earth. Why can’t there be an alternative group? Why don’t summer camps organize a survival/outdoor camp for boys? But many parents would feel that their child can’t rough it so they will not be sending them. The STUPID summer camps organized by the government is just a babysitters club. We really have no idea how to organize activities that will challenge children, teach them life skills and responsibility. Getting up on a stage singing and wukking up is soo easy to do why bother to try.

@David
Agreed! If we all stop pointing fingers and reassess our roles and where we (or our gender) contributed in the past to the problems today then we may be able to constructively discuss the way forward.

@islandgal
Your previous almost balanced arguments are taking a distinctive left lean. I’ll pose one question, can a woman dictate or define what a REAL MAN should be???

“I’ll pose one question, can a woman dictate or define what a REAL MAN should be???”

I can try to answer the question…A real man in my eyes is one that is willing to become a partner recognizing and working with and improving the flaws and weaknesses in each other. A REAL man would recognize that he cannot make 25 children and not contribute to their daily needs, being shelter, food, clothing and emotional needs. A REAL man knows that work is healthy and that he must work to help provide shelter, food and clothing for his offspring. A REAL man will stand up for what is just and not be swayed by his peers. A REAL man is one who cares and puts his family ( I mean his wife and children) first.

And I will pose this question …Can a man dictate what a REAL MAN should be?

It is somewhat comical how the discussion morphed from an examination of the results of obtained by Six Form students at HC & QC versus other schools to a rant first against female teachers and then to coeducation. We now know that these women in the classroom are emasculating the poor boys who are their students or their peers.

After school these boys are useless except for activities on the block or driving ZR’s (where their dormant leadership skills surface). There is an almost a universal yearning for the good old days when men were men and sheep were scared.

If the discussion continues along this path I would not be surprised if someone echoes the comments of the Iranian “spiritual” leader who said that the spate of recent Earthquakes were due to the revealing clothing worn by women.

The aphorism “You never too old to learn” is always true whenever I read some of the comments on this blog.

I believe, when the entire of Barbados recognizes that people really learn at different rates, we will respect all men, and give the opportunity to an individual who is capable of doing the job rather than the person they favour because of academic achievements.

Both Almond and Millennium Investments have given our Government a hard blatant slap in the face in our media (public view) and we are quibbling about which school got the most scholarships and why.

In my opinion, if a child goes into secondary schoolaveraging 50% and within the first year the teachers are not able to lead that child to 55% the teachers have failed (1) to capture the child’s attention (2) to command respect (3) to demand that when you arrive on these premises here are the rules and this is the espected behaviour. Upon this will children thrive and excel.

Let us bring each child to the realization that we as teachers will take you to the next level. We will lead you to a 5% improvement annually. We all pass. Teachers are responsible for each child and to command the respect of each child.

In which system or country is there equality? Elitism is natural! Inequality, my eye!

@Islandgal246: “A REAL man would recognize that he cannot make 25 children and not contribute to their daily needs, being shelter, food, clothing and emotional needs. A REAL man knows that work is healthy and that he must work to help provide shelter, food and clothing for his offspring.

Just wondering… Have you read any of Richard Dawkins?

His “The Selfish Gene” speaks to all of your above points.

I wonder if you can borrow any of his books from the Barbados Public Library.

“Men have allowed women to run them out of teaching because of the women’s picky attitude and our young boys are the victims. Most female teachers I know are bias towards girls in the form and in the schools in general.”

Scout take care yuh wife put yuh out! TAKE CARE!

IslandGal 246
Over the last few days, I’ve been watching the IAAF Athletics on TV, as always the male and female events are different. The reason is men are different than women, and as you will realise the men’s event are quicker and standard higher than that of the women. Nature has designed it that way, so as hard as you femanist try, you will NEVER come to the standard of a REAL MAN>

Christopher Halsall
You can disrespect me as much as you want but youy know NOTHING about my wife and I deem it NASTY and you as a VERY IMMATURED male (not even a man) if you think that all women are judged by your standard. No wonder women say “MEN IN CRISIS.” You have a SICK MIND.

Perhaps I am wrong but I believe that in most happy male, female relationships, supremacy does not rear its head in the way some have explained here.

In those, skills and abilities come together for the common good, the level of ability – and input – changes from task to task, therefore a tally is not kept after each task; for the total which leads to “overall success” is more important than a constant measurement of individual contribution.

It is difficult in this context to say what a real man – or woman is, what each individual can bring to the relationship to make it a success dictates what is necessary to that relationship.

Scout ……men like you have wives that will smile in your face and hate your guts. If you ask wives with husbands like you, you will hear the loathing they have for their husbands. Many can’t wait for them to die after suffering in marriages with beasts like you!

@The Scout,
You seem to have had the good fortune to marry a woman who is either willing to defer to you or she is not your intellectual equal or superior.

Talking about your wife on a blog to stroke your ego is not nise but each to his own.
But it doesn’t really matter anyway cause nubody ent kno wha de Scout real name is.

Be prepared and shake with yuh left hand.

Listened to Historian Trevor Marshall who is a historian and life long teacher in the local system, defending a position on radio a moment ago that coed has negatively impacted the school system,

Hants
I’m sorry if I came over to strong about the relationship between my wife and I, however I read some of the male bloggers criticising women and feminist bloggers cussing the men, I was just trying to say, male and female, husband and wife can co-exist in harmoney. My marriage relationship with my wife is not on show, it is the basis of what a true marriage should be NOT JUST A WEDDING. If I came on too strong, I humbly apologise to you and anyone else, including MY FRIEND ISLANDGAL246 and Christopher Halsall. However, I must admit my wife is MY QUEEN but of course I’M THE KING.

Halsall…Scout is trying to keep up appearances LOLLLL