Submitted by Old School

Minister of Finance, Chris Sinckler (l) Opposition Leader, Owen Arthur (c) Clyde Mascoll, BLP Spokesman on economic matters (r)
  1. Mascoll and Arthur made much of the fact that there was a difference between nominal and real GDP growth in 2010 and that the Central Bank was hiding the true picture.  Sinckler pointed out that it had happened in 2003 as well and there was no contradiction from Owen.
  2. Mascoll kept claiming that a major cause of the fiscal deficit was not the global recession but the DLP padding the public sector payroll.  He claimed the DLP had added about 4 or 5 thousand to the payroll since 2008, we now find out that is far from correct.  Instead of the 34,000 public servants claimed by Mascoll we find out we have less than 28,000.
  3. Owen made much of the fact that even though there was a global recession and we would be affected, that due to poor DLP management, Bim was falling behind its peers and was ranked 197 out of 217.   We found out that the same ranking of countries in 2002 had Bim at 181 out of 191, during a far milder recession than the current one.
  4. For me the ability of Owen and Clyde to portray themselves as Trained Economists espousing purely economic views based on their training has been shattered.

I had also begun to think that the DLP was not well placed to manage the economy during a crisis time.  However, the facts seem to suggest to me that the economic outcomes are not that different from the last recession in 2001/2002 when the BLP were in charge.

  1. George C. Brathwaite Avatar
    George C. Brathwaite

    Job done David. Things hopefully would be easier and speedier.


  2. Observing | August 20, 2011 at 10:47 PM |
    @BT
    Your sprat has been seen, heard and observed for a little while now. I’m still watching as the fuller picture unfolds on either side.

    @John
    Are people who are not looking for freebies actually willing to come forward? Politicians by nature are made of ego and self interest.

    Pray tell, what will we the independent minded electorate do when we walk into that booth and realise we don’t like or trust any of the names on the ballot? Do we choose the six or the half dozen?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    One way is to join a party en masse and take it over!!!

    However, there is no way I am joining either one of those organisations time has proven to be corrupt so I would not expect anyone to do so.

    Scratch one.

    Another way is to make life so uncomfortable for MP’s by insistent demands for transparency and accountability that there must be a change …… that hasn’t worked so far.

    Scratch two.

    A third way is for more independents to present themselves to the electorate. That has not happened yet.

    Scratch three.

    Looks likely that the example set by Britain may be followed here.

    I hope not.

    But, something’s got to give.

    William Duguid’s imminent departure is an indicator of things to come.

    He is a cut above the rest where education is concerned but he really has not made an impact.

    He has is own business and has survived in it for years.

    He and his wife have built a family.

    Being a member of Parliament while it may be financially rewarding for him can’t be a matter of life or death.

    It appears to be a drain on him, keeping him from the far more important pursuits in life which would give him the strength to contribute as an MP. He is not happy in it.

    Ok, he may not come across as a forceful character but he should be making a bigger impact than he has given his education and proven ability in a far tougher environment than politics.

    O$A, Glyne Clarke, George Payne etc. are all nothings yet they seem to have a far greater effect on events than can be logically explained.

    His leaving isn’t a good sign for persons of ability who want to come forward and make an impact.

    Things are not looking bright for Barbados.

    Something’s gotta give.


  3. @john
    I agree something’s gotta give. Like you I’ll continue to hope for the best all things considered. I still don’t think the people have (or will) put enough pressure on our leaders for accountability or transparency.


  4. @George C Brathwaite

    Perhaps the previous downgrades were not secret among the political cognoscenti, but if you asked the average Bajan whether they were aware of these downgrades the response would be negative, thus when the Leader of BLP tried to earn political capital about the issue one can be forgiven for having thought that it had not happened on his watch.

    I wrote that the voices of dissent out of Cave Hill were muted under the BLP and you responded that X & Y were now Senators etc. which does not really negate the truth of what I said but tells me that you are keeping score about who is pro or anti Party A or B.

    Whatever David Thompson’s shortcomings one thing his election served to do was to open up the lines of Communication between the Gov’t and the media. He was not afraid of being challenged by journalists about his Gov’t’s policies and did not look at them as potential foes. The same cannot be said about the relationship between the Gov’t and media during the BLP’s term in Office.

    An unbiased commentator would not write “the reality is that unless the DLP begins to grapple with the issues that are mostly affecting the lives of Barbadians and deal with the issues that confront the country”. I would expect to see that from some one with a political axe to grind, and although you may not agree with their course of action, I thought that their last budget tried to deal with these issues.

    If you have a different collection of issues, you should identify them for us.

  5. George C. Brathwaite Avatar
    George C. Brathwaite

    @ Sargeant

    I am happy to see you respond in what I consider to be a civil and understandable manner. However, I do not share your optimism nor do I share your sentiments that the budget dealt with the nucleus of specific problems confronting Barbados. If anything, the issues were spoken around or otherwise avoided.
    On the matter of me wanting to discern who is Bee or Dee is absolutely untrue. If truth be told, I know my people, my members, and my supporters. I know those of the Dees as well. What I need to know is whether the persons that are unassociated by dint of membership will decisively tell politicans what they expect of them rather than politicians always seeming to write their stories. I like debate, I like to consider issues from several perspectives, but I will not flog a man just because you are a DLP member or supporter. This is Barbados! In saying that, please bear in mind that when it comes to the issues I will advance, defend, and position my arguments accordingly knowing that the development and progress of Barbados comes first.
    You speak of unbiased commentators, the last place I recall their location is in the various cemeteries and tombs. Do not get carried away, we all bring to the table our biases which are usually formed through our various socialisations and interactions. Never doubt that. As far as I am aware, BLPites such as Noel Lynch, Atherley, Mia, and Owen himself never stood away from the press. Perhaps opne may accurately suggest that David Thompson had an unusually good relationship with the media, and one would also have to admit that his successor is less inclined to speak with the media with any regularity. With these things, I accept your opions and hope that you do respect mine. We may have our differences and opposing outlooks, but we are all in this together. Do not support blindly (just a caution for self preservation) less you find that the whip you flog with today turns on your own ass.


  6. @GCB

    Why would I not be civil? That’s how I was nurtured but it’s not my nature to turn the other cheek according to the ancient Chinese proverb “He who turns the other cheek gets slapped twice”.

    I am very circumspect in any relationship with politicians even though they need us and we need them I wouldn’t trust any as far as I could throw them. I guess the term one would use is “symbiotic relationship”.


  7. @ David BU
    “Have to admit this ‘analysis’ by Hal Austin has to be described as rambling at a very high level.”

    I have read Mr. Austin’s analysis, and though it was long, it still presented some facts that are indeed worthy of discussion. Your response to his article was rather simplistic, which can be attributed to your limited knowledge of economic theory. This is evidenced by the fact that you have never brought any theoretical evidence to counter the views of other individuals who may present another view.
    However, you have been consistent in being critical of those economists and other persons, especially Clyde Mascoll, who have sought to bring another perspective to this DLP administration’s handling of the economy and their economic policies. From your responses, one can clearly see that you are sympathetic to the DLP, but that is your constitutional right. May I suggest that if you engage in economic debates, please accept the opinions of others rather than insult them, and bring facts to substantiate your points, instead of exhibiting the traits that are characteristic of the DLP supporters who contribute on this blog.


  8. @Artaxerxes

    You are correct, BU rarely will quote theory and that is deliberate. So to suggest BU’s analysis was simplistic carries no merit.

    Austin’s submission clearly is more long term in focus and many of the issues highlighted can be dealt with outside a budget anyway.

    It does not mean that others in the BU family will not use theory, such is the freedom on BU.

    In your observation on Austin’s piece you have suggested that he “presented some facts that are indeed worthy of discussion” but have not elaborated. Why don’t you?

    Regarding personal attacks on Mascoll, please cite where BU has done so.

    It is our right to suggest that Mascoll’s credibility can be called into question given his turncoat arguments to date, all of which are well documented.

    Again Sir, BU is not an academic journal.


  9. @ black rockian
    Sinckler’s wrap-up speech is being rebroadcast on CBC TV


  10. @ David

    Stand your ground on the comments you made about Hal Austin’s article. None of the economic theories taught at universities worldwide are of any practical help in correcting the current global recession. I stumbled on the following article entitled ‘Macroeconomic Theory and Its Failings” while Browsing earlier today and thought I would share it with the family………..http://gesd.free.fr/skates10.pdf.


  11. @Chuckles

    Thanks, had to chuckle, pun not intended, when reading the opening page:

    The financial crisis that is spreading out from countries with the most ‘advanced’ fi nancial systems to the rest of the world has not been well served by economic theory.
    Jan Toporowski (this volume, Chapter 13)


  12. As the current recession unfolded, nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman said that the last 25 years of macroeconomic theory has been useless. Listening to the local economists respond to the budget methinks he is right. Apparently, the economist’s only treatment tool is expenditure cuts. Its a good thing medicine has gone further and can provide yu with options besides amputations.


  13. I also note that the mainstream media has ignored the mascoll claims about the size of the public sector.


  14. I am really out of touch. reading the papers today the general view seems to be that the budget was predictable and what was expected. For me, the measures surprised me.

    I did not expect a set of measure for the cultural industry to be the centre piece of a budget. I did not expect motor racing incentives to be prominent.


  15. @Old School: “Apparently, the economist’s only treatment tool is expenditure cuts.

    Are they wrong?

    When you are borrowing from Tom (or Chan) to pay Peter, does it make sense to spend more?

    Interestingly, each and every household is advised to spend less and save more by their financial advisers.

    But that’s not what the TV nor the governments tell us.

    Instead, we are supposed to buy more; or else we won’t “keep up with the neighbours” [TV] or allow commerce to continue [governments].

    Hmmmmm….


  16. Forgive my lack of sophistication but something puzzles me. The major mantra seems to be a call for greater cuts in government expenditure. If a large chunk of government expenditure is taken out of the economy what replaces it?

    Is private economic activity is Bim ready and waiting to step into to the breach?

    If not are we not courting a deeper recession and a worsening of the public finances?


  17. @Old School

    You need to ask Dr. Brian Francis!


  18. @Old School: “Forgive my lack of sophistication but something puzzles me. The major mantra seems to be a call for greater cuts in government expenditure. If a large chunk of government expenditure is taken out of the economy what replaces it?

    What you have to understand Old School is government expenditure must be paid for by taxation (or borrowing from future taxation).

    Having a top-heavy expenditure by government now simply means higher taxation on those who are actually producing value for many years to come.

    Again… Hmmmmm….


  19. Dr. Francis suggested at the post-budget analysis that Barbados needs to align with the emerging markets. Isn’t this what the government has been doing by appointing an Ambassador to China, creating air link to Brazil etc? The courting of China was started my Mottley in the last administration.


  20. Economists speak of the “Paradox of thrift.” This basically says that while we all applaud thrift if everyone is thrifty and saves relatively more, you have a situation where aggregate demand in the economy will fall.

    The paradox of thrift (or paradox of saving) is a paradox of economics, popularized by John Maynard Keynes, though it had been stated as early as 1714 in The Fable of the Bees,[1] and similar sentiments date to antiquity.[2][3] The paradox states that if everyone tries to save more money during times of recession, then aggregate demand will fall and will in turn lower total savings in the population because of the decrease in consumption and economic growth. The paradox is, narrowly speaking, that total savings may fall even when individual savings attempt to rise, and, broadly speaking, that increases in savings may be harmful to an economy.

    My question is simple. if the government cuts back will private activity take up the slack or will we have a slowing economy? A slowing economy also creates pressure on public finances.


  21. @ David BU
    There are no statements in my post that suggested I have accused you of personal attacks on Mascoll; I stated that you were consistently critical of him. Additionally, you accused Mr. Austin of “high level rambling”, but have not presented any fact or excerpt from his article to substantiate your accusation.

    I think the following points are worthy of discussion, do you think not?

    • The point is that government is borrowing money to build social homes while at the same time giving away publicly-owned property. The reality is that the housing problem can be met by the private sector, but there is a mindset among policymakers in the Caribbean, and in particular Barbados, that the public sector must meet all social needs.
    • The minister’s decision to offer some low-income people an energy grant is an attempt to avoid confronting the Canadian-owned Barbados Light and Power.
    • The provision of electricity to residential premises is a service, along with water, refuse collection and basic banking which should come under special legislation. New Economy.
    • His thoughts on the Culture Industry.
    • The discipline of paying taxes when due is important and central to any properly functioning government.
    • The Transport Board should be restructured; then privatised through a combination of a staff buyout and household shareholdings.
    • It is not the role of government to rescue family-owned hotels and restaurants that are badly managed on the spurious grounds that they provide important tourism accommodation.
    These are just a few.


  22. In today’s Advocate Business Section the Brian Francis chap is quoted saying St. Lucia, Trinidad and Cuba are outperforming rest of Caribbean and doing very well. He said Barbados is doing poorly. It made me research a few key indicators on those countries leading to the conclusion Francis is a liar a fool or both. St. Lucia’s unemployment rate is 17% and climbing. Trinidad with its Billion Dollars Heritage Fund now declared a state of emergency against reality of the calypso island about to claim the dubious honour of murder capital of the world. Cuba is a communist state with a command economy no one is certain what is happening there except we hear the Castro brothers pronouncing the economy is so bad they are allowing capitalists businesses to start.
    Barbados unemployment rate is 10% and falling. Barbados economy buffetted by recession is still growing by 2 and a half percent.
    Will guru Michael Howard and the Cave Hill school of Economics explain what Francis is saying.


  23. Frncis said we have an Embassy in Thailand is this guy a joke when was such an Embassy set up?


  24. The Trinidad & Tobago Central Bank does not think that the trini economy is doing well.


  25. Dr. Estwick in his budget presentation listed St.Kitts Nevis ,St.Lucia as countries in the hands of the IMF. Is Barbados in IMF hands.


  26. @Old School (OS): “Economists speak of the “Paradox of thrift.”

    Some old economists speak of this.

    Some “modern” ones, such as Hayek (in 1929) et al argue there is no such paradox.

    If people don’t spend, then the prices fall until the “curves cross”.

    What you seem to be arguing, OS, is there is a need for there to be “punters” to keep the economy going.

    Why must the consumers always be the little people?

    Hmmm?


  27. Musing
    Trinidad not doing well is to Barbados’ disadvanrage, remember who owns our biggest corporations?


  28. As far as my limited knowledge goes increased govt spending hurts the economy by the government borrowing from the scarce pool of capital and crowding out more efficient private activity.

    Christopher underlying my question is what private sector activity is currently being crowded out by government in BIM at his time.


  29. @Old School: “As far as my limited knowledge goes increased govt spending hurts the economy by the government borrowing from the scarce pool of capital and crowding out more efficient private activity.

    Kinda weird then that you would submit an article which was accepted by BU.

    @Old School: “Christopher underlying my question is what private sector activity is currently being crowded out by government in BIM at his[sic] time.

    Really?

    That wasn’t made clear; as far as I could tell.

    Perhaps you could explain to us all exactly where that was made clear?


  30. @Artaxerxes

    B stated that Austin’s analysis was long and rambling and tended to focus on long term. The comment does not mean that there was not some sensible points which littered his analysis.


  31. @BU.David: “B stated that Austin’s analysis was long and rambling and tended to focus on long term. The comment does not mean that there was not some sensible points which littered his analysis.

    But you are the owner of this Blog. And therefore what you have to say is important.

    So, then, what do you have to say?

    If anything.


  32. The crowding out of more efficient private investment by tapping in to the limited pool of capital is the often unstated argument behind cutting public expenditure and smaller govt.


  33. We all realise our only T.V station is bias towards the DLP, however, what has happened tonight right after the CBC.TV8 NEWS is pure campaign tactics by the CBC. P.M Stuart was not addressing the nation, he was not addressing a national event, he was addressing his party supporters. Why then would bajans, who don’t care about the DLP party, be subjected to a DLP speech in its entirety? These blatant bias attitude, can turn right thinking voters away from the party. I wonder if the CBC will grant the BLP the same when their conference comes up in october.


  34. Francis has serious a credibility problem for me though:

    1. he commented at length on a budget he had not heard and appeared to have scanned at best;

    2. he refers to a non-existent embassy in thailand as a waste of money;

    3. He speaks of a focus on raising revenues, but I can see no revenue raising measures in the budget. maybe he was commenting on the last budget;

    4. he speaks of an absence of expenditure cuts when he works at uwi which has had a 25% cut announced in june, and a number of other bodies have had similar cuts;

    5. he singles out constituency councils which have cost less than $5ml in three years as breaking the treasury; maybe the explosion of lower level matriculation students at uwi (students with no sixth form or bcc)since 2003, costing $30,000 per year has had more of an impact on the public purse.

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