Minister of Health Donville Inniss

What is all the hullabaloo about regarding who should get free healthcare in Barbados? Is it not a simple matter? You show proof of Barbadian citizenship and voila, the transaction is done. If it were so simple. It seems we live in times when to be educated does not mean an ability to be solution oriented.

BU has delivered some deserved licks to Minister Donville Inniss in the past on how he handled the Ishmael Sparman matter and a few other matters. There is that name Sparman again! The Minister is always the first to remind Barbadians he is the son of a fisherman and therefore his back has the texture of a turtle. On the matter of enforcing the rules which direct who should get free healthcare, BU is 100% behind the minister. It seems every matter under the sun has to be politicised nowadays in Barbados to satisfy political expediency.

The Barbados Labour Party (BLP) opposition led by Mia Mottley has started to rail about the health of Barbados coming under threat because of the improved vigilance demanded by Minister Donville Inniss on who gets free healthcare. A policy of enforcing existing regulation appears to be separating the legal from the illegal. The minister is on record promising favourable consideration to Barbadians who have been lazy in processing their ‘papers’ to the Immigration Department and therefore have been exposed by the process.

On the weekend the local media reported a backlog of filings to the Immigration Department going back several years. The BU family warned about the open door policy of the previous government and the seeds of wanton mismanagement sowed at the building on the Wharf Road now coming back to bite Barbados in the rear. The irony is that we have a BLP now in opposition who would seek to make political hay at the situation being played out. Of course a big consideration for the effort is cost reduction in the healthcare sector, who is denying it? At the same time the minister is not an ass, he must have functionaries in his ministry who are capable and obligated by law to apprise him about the impacts of his rigorous enforcement of policy.

Did we hear the same bawling when illegal immigrants were squatting in Zone 1 areas during the last administration? Did we hear the same cacophony when illegal immigrants were reported to be renting pig pens for accommodation during the last administration? Did we hear the same noise when one and two room apartments were being rented to ten people at a time during the last administration? Did the aforementioned practices not pose a threat to the health of Barbadians at the time? While a tit for tat policy is not condoned by BU, the illustration serves to expose the hypocrisy of politicians. Surely healthcare is an issue which should not be made a political football. Why must we politicise everything in Barbados?

During the last general election the anti-Barbados position adopted by the BLP on immigration was one of those issues which did not endear it to Bajans. It seems we have a case of a group of people bent on repeating mistakes of the recent past. Barbadians will be the ones to vote next general election not Caricom citizens legal or illegal. Here we are in a slow economic period with government under severe pressure from those same BLP voices clamouring to reduce the current account deficit. One would like to believe that on the issue of healthcare politicians can dispense with taking this matter to the football field.

If you are Barbadian in possession of obligatory citizenship ‘papers’ free healthcare is waiting for you. If you do not have the ‘papers’ you have to pay! Exceptions will be made on a case by case business given the mess inherited at the Immigration Department which fuelled the laissez faire approach to immigration in Barbados in the recent past.

139 responses to “Free Healthcare For BARBADIANS”


  1. @ Jay

    Please read the below and revert to me:-

    By Almroth Williams, National Insurance Department

    Under the CARICOM Single Market and Economy (CSME), the free movement of labour enhances the availability of a ready pool of labour and skills and provides employment opportunities in other labour markets within the region for Barbadians. In relation to Barbados’ social security system, migrant labour could compensate for the low population growth projected and concomitantly circumvent any fall off in the contributions to the National Insurance Scheme. However, there are some questions as to whether the National Insurance Scheme is ready for the potential increase of migrant workers under the CSME.

    From its inception, the National Insurance Scheme was never a system of social protection for ‘Barbadian workers’, but rather ‘workers in Barbados’, notwithstanding their nationalities. The National Insurance and Social Security Act (Chapter 47) clearly stated:

    12. (1) Subject to this Act, every person who, on or after the appointed day, being over the age of sixteen years and under pensionable age, is gainfully occupied in employment in the Island, being employment under a contract of service, shall be insured under this Act in respect of the several contingencies in relation to which benefits are provided under subsection (1) of section 2 1 and there shall be payable to or in respect of any such person, in the prescribed circumstances, any benefit payable by virtue of the said subsection.

    “Every person” signifies that regardless of nationality or even legal status, all workers in Barbados are entitled to social security coverage. The “shall be” makes insurance under the Act mandatory, thereby making the employer, who denies the worker the right to be insured, liable for prosecution.

    One can argue that the architects of the programme of national insurance were therefore forward thinking in the development of the legislation. There was therefore no need to amend the legislation to facilitate the free movement of labour under the CSME.

    Barbados’ social security system, which is a relatively mature system, has been proven and tested as an effective social safety net to anyone who worked in Barbados long enough to qualify for benefits, especially as it relates to pensions. Foreign nationals who met the requirements would receive pensions from the system even where the countries in which they reside do not have reciprocal agreements with Barbados. Other workers who had contributed but fell short of the contribution requirement for a pension would sometimes qualify for sizeable contributory grants i.e. lump sum payments.

    However, the payment of lump sums as final payments at retirement has proven problematic. History is replete with examples of things that can go wrong, the main one being the squandering of funds and falling on straitened circumstances in later years.

    It was therefore recognised that there was need for some mechanism that would allow for the recognition of the social security contributions made in the different territories that would allow for the payment of a pension, or rather a number of smaller pensions in each territory.


  2. @Rose Art

    Please show relevance.


  3. My question for Rose Art is a simple one. NIS contributions go only for health care or does the country offer more services? If one’s vehicle is insured for liability only can that same person expect comprehensive coverage after something happens? This has nothing to do with like nor dislike for a party, but rather how sustainable is this burden in these times? Government has to enforce its imigration policy, and make changes where necessary for the open door policy assures no gain for those who hold birth- rite, for when the stream from which we all drink dries up, and it will quite soon , folk like Rose Art ,Tina Roach , Ruth and crew will point their fingers (or perhaps tentacles ) in one direction only. As this mess relates to education let me point out that in New York if you live in one district and dare register your child in another ,IT IS A FELONY .On conviction you can be sentenced to five years in the federal pen. Just to make sure that you don’t get it twisted I am talking about Americans by birth and naturalization. Bottom line is this .To have access to the services in Barbados you need to be a Bajan by birth or naturalization .Avail yourself of the process.


  4. @ David

    Show me or direct me to which law or statue in Barbados states that only Nationals have a right to access to free healthcare in Barbados. It is clear that under the National Insurance and Social Security Act benefits are not determined by nationality, so I want to see where nationality or a specific immigation status is used to make the distinction between those who can and those who can’t access free health care.

    I am not convinced that there is a law in Barbados which makes free health care a right of only those who are Nationals. I have no political axe to grind.


  5. @ HAMILITON HILL

    You said ” Bottom line is this .To have access to the services in Barbados you need to be a Bajan by birth or naturalization .Avail yourself of the process”

    It is clear from the National Insurance and Social Security Act that a non-national, including those on work permits, can obtain the benefits, such as a NIS pension providing they are registered and have made contributions.

    Because a Government of the day says that only Nationals can access free health in Barbados does not make it so. Without more, like a law or statute which legally prevents them from obtaining free healthcare then what is the position?


  6. @Rose Art

    Ok, let us see if the BU family delivers. If your position is supported in law then we would need to change the law.


  7. @ David

    I assume from your comments you support the view/position/policy that persons who are not Nationals or permanent residents should not be allowed free healthcare in Barbados by state run medical facilities.

    I say that because of your statement ” If your position is supported in law then we would need to change the law.”

    If I am wrong please correct me. If I am right and you believe only National or permanent residents should be the only ones accessing free health care in Barbados, what informs your position……….I can’t believe you would hold that view purely because of nationality.

    The better policy of the GOB Barbados should be that only those persons legally in Barbados and who can provide a certificate of paid taxes or filed tax returns and or NIS contributions in Barbados can access free healthcare from state funded/run medical facilities in Barbados.

    This way, all those who are contributing to Barbados social services legally can legally access the attendant benefits, those who are illiegal cannot.


  8. Perhaps we should stop providing “free” health care and make everyone buy insurance. That way, I will pay less tax!


  9. this topic will generste much interest, however the country just can’t continue to pay the bills for illegals

  10. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    ROSE ART

    You are just wasting your time. The new policy is not going to change and I am very happy about that

    So you will just have to pull your pocket and pay for your health care.

    Freeloader.


  11. A slight digression BU received a note that the controversial Chairman of the QEH Guy Hewitt was fired from his day job at the CXC.


  12. @Rose Art

    BU’s position is simple.

    Paying taxes is not the criterion we use to allow unfettered access free healthcare.


  13. So David, what’s the criterion? Where you were born?


  14. @ Scout

    I think that is pretty much a given but the current debate is about if Legal work permit holders are entitled to “Free healthcare” in Barbados when they are paying taxes into NIS while in Barbados legally.Afaik,only Permanent residents and Citizens are allowed free healthcare.
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    @Enuff said
    The reduction in the number of work permits being issued by the UK government has had no impact on the policy regarding access to free health care. Universities, the business community and even the Secretaries and Ministers responsible for these portfolios are against the reductions. Furthermore, every one knows that the Conservative arm of the Coalition government is anti-immigration and their policies are based purely on political motives and as such are often lacking cohesion and open to Judicial Review.

    I say:

    The immigration reduction cuts down simply on the amount of taxes relegated to the entitlements mentioned while in the UK[duh] since there would be less people there and I didn’t see you mention the most important one,the BRITISH VOTING PUBLIC.Of course it had an impact ,Why do you think the Conservatives an anti-immigrant party won,lol?It was all due to the entitlements that the then Labour Government was giving to asylum seekers and UK citizen’s taxes were the ones paying for it,or are you selective in memory ? Labor lost simply because the British public did not trust him due to the immigration issue issue when they are paying taxes through the nose already and I can’t believe some in Barbados would like to replicate such in Barbados with a very High-Vat to support non-nationals in the healthcare system.It is the same in Barbados WHY should Barbados citizens and Permanent resident’s whom have been putting into the system all their lives allow non-nationals whom are only there on a brief working stint for a short prescribed period in Barbados to be allowed something completely free ?Do you know how expensive that could be to NIS and guess who’d pay for it all those that have a more permanent allegiance to Barbados in the form of Citizens and Permanent residence whom are more than likely to be still PAYING taxes……..not those on a brief stint !!!!!

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    @RoseArt

    Can you repost what you have with a valid URL link..as usually I like to see the source of what people are basing their facts on.

  15. Manasseh U King Avatar
    Manasseh U King

    For what I understand, when you make your NIS contributions you are insuring against such benefits; injury beneifts, unemployment benenfit, sick benefit, maternity benfit, invalidity benefit, among others, but not free health care.
    There is nothing in the National Insurance and Social Security Act CAP 47 qualifying someone for free health care.

  16. Random Thoughts Avatar
    Random Thoughts

    Quoting jack spratt | May 10, 2011 at 9:12 PM | “Perhaps we should stop providing “free” health care and make everyone buy insurance”

    But jack spratt my taxes are the insurance I pay for my health care (and perhaps part of yours too).

  17. Random Thoughts Avatar
    Random Thoughts

    Dear Manasseh U King:

    So what happens to our income tax, VAT and Customs duties “contributions” Including those “contributions” paid by foreigners who live and work in Barbados??


  18. @ CCC

    Because I articulate position in defense of access to free healthcare regardless of nationality or immigation status, you assume two things, I am a foreigner (hence the reference to pulling my pocket) and that I am freeloader (clearly another reference to the assumption that I am a foreigner).

    You are wrong on both counts. I am from bout hey, I ain’t no foreigner. However on a slightly different note, I assume you know that you are a walking talking example of someone who did not take advantage of the free enducation system in Barbados.

    I would like to remind you of two things:-

    1. Of all the things that bind people, politics is the weakest and most juvenile.
    2. God don’t like ugly, stay away from the mirror and God.


  19. @ Jay

    Here is the link:-

    http://labour.gov.bb/news/26?printable=yes


  20. @ David

    I want to be so bold as to bet that within 6 months that so-called policy about only Nations or Permanent Residents accessing free health care, will be removed, relaxed or not enforced ( although I don’t know how you can enforce something that unlawful).

    I can’t believe that Barbadians are silly enough to fall for the non-sense, this is political and ill-conceived posturing at its highest level with the simple calculations of garnering more votes in the next election. It has nothing to do with reality, its political gobbledegook.


  21. Thank you RoseArt,

    But it is as Manasseh mentioned no where did I see anything concerning approved “Free healthcare” for non-nationals in what you posted.Only that it has to do with NIS payments and that non-nationals could potentially take care of any budget shortfall within NIS which is exactly what I’m getting at with what Inniss is currently doing.

    What I posted concerning Contingent rights is exactly what must be approved first before Non-nationals can be approved healthcare in Barbados unless the BLP wins and curtails the current enforcement system.I don’t see Freudal Stuart doing that anytime soon as he is the only Prime Minister within CSME that can move on the Contingent rights issue of CSME workers.

    My point is very simple non-nationals should not be given Free healthcare in Barbados and must prove themselves through their NIS donations that they are going to be there for the long haul.If they have placed a significant amount for any possible shortfall within NIS then I might be more inclined to not consider it an issue but to give someone something Free not knowing what potential ailments they may incur could be very costly if they have Free Healthcare considering their work permits are only valid for a certain amount of time.
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    Random Thoughts said:

    Barbadians who live work and pay taxes overseas should access their health care in the places where they live and work and pay taxes.

    Those Bajans who return to live in Barbados should be made to pay into the system for a year or so first before they can make claims on the system (the actuaries can decide of how much wait time makes financial sense)

    I say:

    Uh,that wouldn’t make any sense at all as most that return aren’t necessarily likely to be monetarily strapped considering the amount of programs there are for retirement….. at least here in the US.A well stocked portfolio consisting of an IRA and Matching 401 K and Social security payments can go a looooong way with regards to never having to be worried about returning nationals coming back and being a burden on the system.


  22. Random Thoughts
    What are the benfits of being a BARBADOS CITIZEN? Do these non-barbadians recieve “free healthcare” when they pay the same taxes in their own country? Do they recieve “free education ” when they pay taxes in their own country? Then tell me why Barbados should treat them better than they are treated in their own country? I am a BAJAN and I demand priority treatment at home, treatment superior to that given to anyone from any other country, that’s because I’m a BARADIAN CITIZEN


  23. Let me ask a couple of questions. How much money is to be saved by this new policy and will it make the healthcare more efficient?

    The first question is relevant, in that the savings on a policy should be looked at holistically. For example, if say, we are saving 3 million a year on this, but cost overruns on major projects amount into the hundreds of millions, why are we crucifying healthcare, when we are frittering away losses elsewhere?

    Further, if we are saving fifty million here, are we also cimmitted to eliminating cost overruns on major projects, thus being constrained accross the board?

    On the second question, efficiency can not come from cost savings alone.

    Effieciency has to do with the correct application of resources.

    Thus, it is the best spending of what you actually do spend and the best methods in providing your product or service.

    Therefore, if we are saving 3 million on this new policy, to then spend the 3 million on training more nurses or buying updated equipment for diagnosis and treatment, then we have some benefit and there is a reason behind the actions.

    If however, we are saving say, 3 million to then just say that we have not drawn as much from the consolidated fund, are we really doing anything ‘magical’?

    There is no doubt that the efficiency and resources at the hospital need improvement, but that comes only with increased input of time, training, money and efficient application of those resources.


  24. GUY HEWITT CHAIRMAN OF BOARD FIRED BY CXC. ONLY PERSON TO BE FIRED AT THAT INSTITUTION. NO WONDER HE WANTS TO RUN FOR A SEAT. HE HAS A DARK SECRET THAT WILL PRECLUDE HIM FROM NOMINATION.


  25. It would be interesting to see the figures, what percentage of illegals and non nationals that were abusing/using the system and not paying. And the actual dollar worth …I want real figures not trumped up ones or guesstamations.


  26. This is not rocket science. IF YOU ARE NOT A CITIZEN BY BIRTH, DESCENT OR NATURALIZATION YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO FREE HEALTH CARE IN BARBADOS.
    That was the policy all along but things were very good and enforcement was not carried out. NOW THINGS ARE TIGHT AND IT MUST BE ENFORCED.
    The BLP will lose on this one again because most Barbadians will go with the government on this issue and any issue that tries to bring some balance to our bulging budget.
    I am not going against this government for no Caribbean people because we are the worst things whenever we have to stand up for our rights in this Caribbean.

  27. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    ROSE ART

    “You are wrong on both counts. I am from bout hey”

    Then your position make you BLP.
    As I said before you have to be a special breed of person to be a BLP supporter or member.

    Every stupid, foolish, outlandish, asinine, rediculous, unreasonable position will be articulated by you people,because you have nothing better to offer, and then you expect sensible people to back you.

    Get a life ROSE IDIOT.


  28. @ CCC

    I will have you know I do not, nor have I ever, supported the BLP. I do however support common sense and reasoned though both of which I appreciate are foreign to you.

    You are a political lacky……..a political yardfowl and as a result you have taken it upon yourself to be the one ( on behalf of the DLP) to fan the flames of xenophobia in Barbados.

  29. John O Groats Avatar

    Carson Cadogan is the worst kind of idiot…a useful one!


  30. @ | May 9, 2011 at 9:42 PM |
    quoting Random Thoughts “So Scout if a man is crippled while building a building in Barbados for a Bajan and while working for a Bajan employer … I feel if Barbados’ work mash-up the man then Barbados…owe’s him compensation.”

    the guy was an illegal immigrant. he should not be here in the first place working illegally. if he was not here, he won’t have been injured here. that’s the price he paid. sorry


  31. Quoting Mabel Hewitt
    “GUY HEWITT CHAIRMAN OF BOARD FIRED BY CXC. ONLY PERSON TO BE FIRED AT THAT INSTITUTION. NO WONDER HE WANTS TO RUN FOR A SEAT. HE HAS A DARK SECRET THAT WILL PRECLUDE HIM FROM NOMINATION.’”

    He’s was your man and used to beat you or he like truncking? dark secret what…stupesssssss. i don’t know the man nor do i care but either say what he dark secret is or shut ta hell up.

  32. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    ROSE ART

    “fan the flames of xenophobia in Barbados.”

    Just letting home drums beat first.

  33. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    ROSE ART

    Remember what I said earlier, “all BAJANS WITH COMMON SENSE are supporting” the Govt.

    The Govt. is simply taking the bull by the horns and shaking it.

    We are very happy with that.


  34. @ Jay
    You are representative of the point I made about the need for evidence to construct sound arguments and by extension policy. The Conservative party did NOT win the election that is why there is a Coalition government. It is also a fact that more people (in terms of seats won and votes casted) voted against Tory policies including immigration, which contrasts significantly with the other two main parties. The issue of the deficit, the way Gordon Brown assumed leadership of the country and his uncharismatic personality were Labour’s downfall—maybe PM Stuart should pay attention.
    Yet in the recent local government elections, Labour gained 204 seats to the Tories 6; while the LibDem half of the Coalition was decimated losing 148. Small wonder, the latest Guardian/OCM poll shows that Labour remains ahead of the Conservative party and the full impact of public cuts (started this month) were not even factored into the poll.
    As far as I recall, the discussion was about work permit holders and students so I am at a lost as to how all of a sudden asylum seekers have entered the fray. But if you insist, of the 572,000 entrants to the UK annually there are about 4,000 asylum applicants. Even if you add 5 dependents to each applicant, it is still a small percentage. It should be noted that net migration to the UK in 2009 was 196,000.
    Apart from health care, neither work permit visa holders nor students are entitled to government benefits, and as was revealed in the immigration report prepared by the Migration Advisory Committee, persons on work permits seldom use the NHS as they are young, healthy and generally have private health insurance.
    The truth is that the Tories made election promises regarding immigration; and unable to implement these changes they have had to resort to idiotic policies to please their base. They can’t touch EU immigrants so they have had to attack non-EU workers and students, though the focus is on non-degree students who often abscond. Meanwhile businesses and universities are complaining as well as their allies in the Cabinet.
    The internationalisation of capital forced cities/regions to compete against each other. London competes with New York as well as with Cardiff and Edinburgh for inward investment. So all the grandstanding by the Tories will lead to zero because London needs foreign workers; despite being the country of Oxbridge and the Russell Group of universities the UK just does not produce the skilled workforce needed for London to remain a leading global financial centre or Cambridge et al places for cutting edge research. Why you think Obama and other business leaders in the US are pushing for a review of post-study arrangements for foreign students. The Business Secretary Vince Cable understands this well:
    “…the promise to reduce net immigration to tens of thousands a year was Conservative policy, not coalition policy. Much of the remaining immigration from outside the EU is crucial to British recovery and growth.”
    Gillian Duffy, the woman in the video, did not vote for the Conservatives by the way.


  35. Received a reminded on the following issue:

    Trinidad is now faced with the same problem as Barbados. Whether to build a new hospital or refurbish their existing one. The only difference is that Trinidad seems to be taking definitive steps and establishing timelines for resolution of their hospital issue. See attached link from Trinidad Express newspaper: http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Decision_on_PoS_hospital_by_end_of_June-121477264.html

  36. Random Thoughts Avatar
    Random Thoughts

    uoting Jay ” here in the US.A well stocked portfolio consisting of an IRA and Matching 401 K and Social security payments can go a looooong way with regards to never having to be worried about returning nationals coming back and being a burden on the system”

    But isn’t it true Jay that expensive medical crises are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the USA?

    And isn’t this the reason that President Obama is trying to put some sort of national health care or national health insurance in place?

    Isn’t it also true that most American’s heath insurance is tied to their jobs and such insurance ceases once the person is no longer employed and certainly ceases if they leave the job and move to Barbados?

    Let me give you an example. How much does top of the line prostate cancer care cost? Would $12,000 to $20,000 BDS sound about right?

    And isn’t it true that this treatment can go on for ten years or more for a total of about $120,000 to $200,000?

    Are you sure that elderly retired sick Bajan/Americans (or Bajan Canadians or Bajan/English) or all have adequate health insurance or $120, 000 to $200,0000 cash set aside for medical expenses?

    I think that you will agree with me that all it takes to eat up the funds from “IRA and Matching 401 K and Social security payments ” is ONE MAJOR LONG TERM EXPENSIVE ILLNESS.

    If catastrophic medical expenses were not catastrophically expensive do you think that your President Obama would have put “Health Care” at the VERY TOP of his domestic agenda?

    And President Obama is one smart guy. One of the brightest and the best that American has produced.

    He thinks that health insurance is important and he is right.


  37. @Random Thoughts: “I think that you will agree with me that all it takes to eat up the funds from “IRA and Matching 401 K and Social security payments ” is ONE MAJOR LONG TERM EXPENSIVE ILLNESS.

    One might reasonable then ask why life saving treatment is so very expensive.

    Might some be taking profit because of the desperation of others?


  38. @ CCC

    If this bunch are simply taking the bull by the horns and shaking it, then thats for one reason and one reason alone, to see what falls out…….cha ching ching.


  39. What are the benefits of being a Barbadian citizen living in Barbados if other persons from within the region can come here illegally and get the same benfits?


  40. Random Thoughts you have given me food for thought.

    As a Bajan Canadian it seems it would be better for me to become a snow bird and spend 2 weeks a year in Barbados and 5months in Florida .

    I can buy medical travel insurance in Canada to cover any expenses outside of Canada.

    That would ensure that I would not be a burden to the taxpayers of Barbados if I should become ill.

  41. Maansseh U King Avatar
    Maansseh U King

    Why can’t I go to Trinidad or some of the other countries in the Region to buy land without having premission to do so?

    Because that is the policy. Only when there is a change can I go and but the land without having to seek permission. policies are not static and therefore there must be justification for any change in any policy and the justification must be well thought out and should not be based on emotionalism.

    I gone for now.


  42. Enuff said:
    ……….alot

    Sigh,The conservatives won…….as it is the PM’s job to be primarily responsible for security matters which immigration is included thus in that respect they did win considering they got the majority of the voting British public and ran on a hardline immigration platform whether it is non-EU nationals or EU nationals is redundant.From what I’ve read and whom I’ve talked with whom are born in the UK it is believed that non-Uk nationals are believed are sucking the system dry of benefits whether student visas,asylum seekers or work permit holders or Eu nationals.You also have to remember it is not only the Tories that have been hardline on immigration,Labor has been changing the immigration rules under Brown’s regime thus it is clear to me immigration is an issue in the Uk especially concerning the reaping of benefits.Last I checked,I thought the discussion was about benefits to those that were not deserving of such based on being a non national or at the very least that is how I perceived such.

    http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/uk-public-opinion-toward-immigration-overall-attitudes-and-level-concern

    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2010/0506/UK-election-results-Exit-polls-indicate-Conservative-win-but-hung-parliament

    “Immigration is generally unpopular

    Despite uncertainties involved in measuring and interpreting public opinion, the evidence clearly shows high levels of opposition to immigration in the UK. In recent surveys, majorities of respondents think that there are too many migrants in the UK, that fewer migrants should be let in to the country, and that legal restrictions on immigration should be tighter.”
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    Random Thought:

    It is actually believed that the Universal Healthcare system that the President and Democrats passed here in the US will increase the US deficit.I cannot understate how important the next budget will be here.It will be a showdown concerning the debt and deficit between the major parties.Projections are that any so-called plan will have to deal with deficit reduction here in the US but the voting public is firmly against it if taxes are increased thus the issue of what next is going to be a huge problem.When I said IRA and 401K those are actually just private pensions not associated with the government in anyway and are actually provided by your employer as private options for retirement.Social Security however is a major issue concerning with the US budget as well as Medicare and Medicaid depending on the plan you are applicable for when elderly but you can also still have private health insurance and any pensioner can pay for such considering the amount that is given AND the exchange rate while in Barbados.Most I have come across are either retired professionals[baccalaureate education or higher] and are citizens have done well for themselves over the years so perhaps that is why I see it that way.Just as Hants mentioned sarcastically,lol considering the Loon is now worth more than the US dollar.


  43. @ Rose Art
    Salutations
    “The better policy of the GOB Barbados should be that only those persons legally in Barbados and who can provide a certificate of paid taxes or filed tax returns and or NIS contributions in Barbados can access free healthcare from state funded/run medical facilities in Barbados”.

    “This way, all those who are contributing to Barbados social services legally can legally access the attendant benefits, those who are illiegal cannot”.

    That is a sound proposition.
    If I am paying into something, then I want something tangible back in return. Otherwise you might as well call it a ponzi scheme.

    There are so many layers to consider yet grouped into two sides.
    1. The legally attained status 2. Those with illegal status.

    How is it moral or ethical to ask a legitimate individual to work and pay taxes and NIS like any other citizen but yet tell them they cannot access the same benefits as a citizen?

    That would be plain and simple institutional theft. judging by venomous comments I cannot believe the majority of the BU bloggers collective would think that is open for debate. I am sorry but if I am national enough to give you my Taxes and NIS from my legally acquired labour, which even then you would say is obligatory, then I am NATIONAL ENOUGH to get all benefits -period. I am not paying for a banquet and sit and watch you eat, absolutely not! But share it of course!

    You can’t have it both ways. either release me from payments into your system and I will wisely provide my own health provisions. Or see the above argument as sound, moral, ethical and civilised.

    On the other hand, being illegal is another matter entirely and falls at the doorstep of all agencies involved. There is an obvious administrative weakness in procedures. If the so call legislation prohibits access, then the question that should be asked is who are the gatekeepers of such access. If you haven’t gotten what I mean so far well focus on this.

    If you clamp down on the employer that employs illegals to save a buck or the nurse or doctor or pharmacist who negates their legal administrative responsibility then this entire debate on illegals accessing the so call free health system would be moot.

    But still what about the Universal Rights of the child or the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? There are plenty of known treaties which among other countries Barbados was a signatory to -with clear yet broad responsibilities to fulfil towards COMMON HUMANITY -helping those who are deprived of basic needs. The last time I check, Health was a basic need.

    But hey times them a changing so maybe those treaties don’t mean a thing so we can throw them in the dust bin -then again maybe not.

    But why are BU (hopefully not the consensus of Barbados on issue) so bitter and heartless towards regional Caribbean islands? I thought Barbados was the Religious capital of the region? Perhaps that is the problem; you’re more religious than spiritual?
    What does the good book of the sun tells us? There is so much defending of it in name, what about in practice.

    What would Yashua Ben Yosef do? Suffer the little children to come unto me -do you remember that one? what about love thy neighbour as thou love thy self? Be in this world but not of this world? -That I am sure that I am because this world is full of a corrupt den of squabbling hypocrites -which I seek no party to. My desire is to raise the higher consciousness of mankind and give quenching to the thirst of the UNADULTERATED TRUTH -which no doubt will be as sweat nectar for some and rancid vinegar to others!
    The first truth needed hear is LOVE!

    @ Carson C. Cadogan | May 11, 2011 at 10:01 AM |
    Salutations
    As for you, don’t take it personally but you are not a nice person towards Rose Art. I agreed with her -your language is ugly -calling others you disagree with names and insults is a demonstration of immaturity of debate etiquette. You are so caught up in this DLP vs BLP political farce I sincerely hope you get the government you deserve.

    Love and light to you all

    Take care of yourself and each other!


  44. Irene Sandiford Garner should have really kept her mouth shut rather than come on Brasstacks today trying to defend the indefensible.

    She did not address the problem that many of the elderly are experiencing which is that they can no longer get the medication they were using and that the substitutions are making them more sick and as one man said the substitute medication was itching his skin.

    What I cannot understand is what economical sense does it make to buy two or three generic drugs to replace one drug? BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT A SPOUSE OF ONE OF THE MINISTERS HAS THE CONTRACT TO BRING IN THESE GENERIC DRUGS.

    A doctor I know who deals with diabetics at the QEH has told me that he was not consulted about the substitution drugs or the changes to the formulary. My spouse takes one high blood pressure tablet per day, I went to collect the medication from a private pharmacy and was offered a substitute. My spouse told me not to take the substitute so I had to purchase the original medication instead.

    What surprised me and most people was the admission from the parliamentary secretary that these old people who are not being given the original medication should go back to their doctor and tell them and they could send them to the hospital where there is a welfare service available.

    Even Patrick Hoyos had to ask her how can these old people who are barely able to walk could go to the hospital to further wait in a long line. She really should have kept her mouth shut.

    My own feelings are that the government moved shabby and before they were ready so much so that even one male caller today who has mental challenges expressed his horrifying experience in getting medication at a polyclinic.

    It is one thing to say you want to change things but what if the change does not make sense.

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    Random Thoughts

    Quoting Hants 9:54 p.m. 11 May “As a Bajan Canadian it seems it would be better for me to become a snow bird and spend 2 weeks a year in Barbados and 5months in Florida …
    I can buy medical travel insurance in Canada to cover any expenses outside of Canada…That would ensure that I would not be a burden to the taxpayers of Barbados if I should become ill.”

    Hants I’d tell you the same thing I tell my natural American, British and Canadian siblings.

    We all know that OHIP only covers you if you are out of Canada for 184 days or less. You are welcome to spend those 184 days in Barbados, but when those days are up I hope that you have purchased private health insurance or I hope that you go home to Canada, because even though I love you I do not have the money to look after you if you have a disabling stroke or if you need quadruple bypass surgery. So go home because I can’t afford to look after your medical bills, and I doubt that the Ministry of Health can either.

    And we all know that as we become older and sicker it becomes increasingly difficult, and increasingly expensive to purchase private health insurance. Sometimes it becomes impossible to purchase private health insurance because of pre-existing expensive medical conditions.

    We have a saying in Barbados “you can’t take love to the shop”


  46. @ Jay
    You are all over the place with your argument. First it was students and work permits then asylum seekers now non-EU. I, however, am maintaining my original position, the cut to work permits had nothing to do with health care. The Conservative government accepted during the consultation process that such persons were NOT a strain on the system. The cut to student visas also had nothing to do with health care, but the fact that too many students were using that route to get into the UK, especially for short courses, with no intention of studying but to abscond and work full-time. You really think foreign students’ free use of the health service could ever equate with the amount of money they pump into the economy?
    Furthermore, NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS is stamped in the passport of work and student visa holders so I don’t know how they can be sucking the system dry.
    UKIP and BNP were the parties with a ‘hard-line’ stance on immigration as far as I know. FACTS are the Conservatives got 36% of the vote, which was more than any other individual party but still not the majority. Labour and LibDems combined for 52% of the vote. Yes Labour introduced the Points Based System but it was clear and not based on arbitrary numbers like the Tories’ policy.
    Again you are giving perception i.e. “belief” precedence over EVIDENCE. Why do you think the DLP has capitulated so many times on policy after grand announcements? Wait, any progress with the ZR van policy by the way?

  47. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    Go on Donville Inniss, Barbados is behind you.


  48. This issue of health care has moved pass people without permanent residence status. If there was no change in the policy or laws, how comes people now have difficulty getting their medication which was previously dispensed without a problem???

    It has now come down to blatant discrimination against ordinary Barbadians in the evening of their days. It hurt my heart to hear elderly Barbadians today lamenting their plight on Brasstacks. One man who has mental challenges was particulary distraught about being turned around at a polyclinic and then having to go elsewhere and also the complaints were of the long waiting periods.

    As Mrs P said, these people will not be around to vote for the Dems next time. I remember an ad during the last election, the Dems had an elderly woman in one saying…… the BLP dont care anything about poor people. If she is still alive, I hope she now realise who really care about poor people! Certainly under the Bees she could get her medication not substitutes which are making the old people sicker.

    I spoke to a retired PS in the MOH and he told me had he been still PS, there is no way Donville Inniss could get this foolishness pass him!

    The minister needs to tell Barbados which of his colleagues’ spouse has a contract to bring in these generic drugs. And we have people on this blog talking about corruption in the BLP. I mean they are not in a term yet and they and they lackies are carrying away all the fatted calf.


  49. Just an aside off the topic. Is it true that government has withdrawn its offer to Marston Gibson and that he has threatened to sue for breach of contract in the tune of $2m? Wow, if true, this will be on top of the $60m lawsuit from the marina breach of contract.

    Oh what a tangle mess they’ve made when first they practiced to deceive!


  50. Said Enuff,lol:

    You are all over the place with your argument. First it was students and work permits then asylum seekers now non-EU.

    Really,How so ? Selective understanding appears to be your goal.They are basically all known by the same moniker,whether students from outside the UK/EU,Work permit holders or asylum seekers are primarily all Non-EU nationals whether you have statistically read about it or not.

    You still have not said WHY the UK government whether by Labor or Conservative have introduced more immigration reduction measures as time went on let’s say over the last 5-6 years.You also don’t clearly define your meanings……I say the Conservatives won the Majority of the vote based on getting the greater number not on if someone got 50% or more,irregardless the party with the most votes still represented the fact that the voting British Public wanted a reduction not only in Immigration but by extension also the benefits/entitlements given out whether you like that or not.Basic FACT-The lesser the population that enters the UK=The less entitlements such as “Free healthcare” being given out !!!!!! You also make it seem like students are just given free healthcare just because they are in the UK as well which isn’t so.I will also ask that you cite a source because it appears to me you’re just giving hyperbole at this point.
    http://www.avert.org/freenhs.htm
    —————————————–
    Enuf also said:

    Furthermore, NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS is stamped in the passport of work and student visa holders so I don’t know how they can be sucking the system dry.

    Lol,I just have to laugh at this one.Free Healthcare is publicly funded by the UK’s High tax rates and this is what you want a small island with a small population and high taxes to replicate ?I say again,Mr. Inniss did the right thing in enforcing the law as it was written from since 1962 which is for Permanent residents and Citizens alone to have “Free healthcare” in Barbados.The only issue that is valid here is the one ‘Random Thoughts’ brought up and perhaps residency requirements of living in Barbados for more than 1 year should be required before any benefits can be restored to Returning nationals or that they pay into the system for how long they plan on being there at the legal rates.

    The facts as it relates to this won’t change concerning my main point and that is many countries require usually having a baseline status of permanent residence in order to access “Free healthcare” and that is usually paid in part mostly by the Citizens and other Permanent residents of said country.

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