Minister of Health Donville Inniss

What is all the hullabaloo about regarding who should get free healthcare in Barbados? Is it not a simple matter? You show proof of Barbadian citizenship and voila, the transaction is done. If it were so simple. It seems we live in times when to be educated does not mean an ability to be solution oriented.

BU has delivered some deserved licks to Minister Donville Inniss in the past on how he handled the Ishmael Sparman matter and a few other matters. There is that name Sparman again! The Minister is always the first to remind Barbadians he is the son of a fisherman and therefore his back has the texture of a turtle. On the matter of enforcing the rules which direct who should get free healthcare, BU is 100% behind the minister. It seems every matter under the sun has to be politicised nowadays in Barbados to satisfy political expediency.

The Barbados Labour Party (BLP) opposition led by Mia Mottley has started to rail about the health of Barbados coming under threat because of the improved vigilance demanded by Minister Donville Inniss on who gets free healthcare. A policy of enforcing existing regulation appears to be separating the legal from the illegal. The minister is on record promising favourable consideration to Barbadians who have been lazy in processing their ‘papers’ to the Immigration Department and therefore have been exposed by the process.

On the weekend the local media reported a backlog of filings to the Immigration Department going back several years. The BU family warned about the open door policy of the previous government and the seeds of wanton mismanagement sowed at the building on the Wharf Road now coming back to bite Barbados in the rear. The irony is that we have a BLP now in opposition who would seek to make political hay at the situation being played out. Of course a big consideration for the effort is cost reduction in the healthcare sector, who is denying it? At the same time the minister is not an ass, he must have functionaries in his ministry who are capable and obligated by law to apprise him about the impacts of his rigorous enforcement of policy.

Did we hear the same bawling when illegal immigrants were squatting in Zone 1 areas during the last administration? Did we hear the same cacophony when illegal immigrants were reported to be renting pig pens for accommodation during the last administration? Did we hear the same noise when one and two room apartments were being rented to ten people at a time during the last administration? Did the aforementioned practices not pose a threat to the health of Barbadians at the time? While a tit for tat policy is not condoned by BU, the illustration serves to expose the hypocrisy of politicians. Surely healthcare is an issue which should not be made a political football. Why must we politicise everything in Barbados?

During the last general election the anti-Barbados position adopted by the BLP on immigration was one of those issues which did not endear it to Bajans. It seems we have a case of a group of people bent on repeating mistakes of the recent past. Barbadians will be the ones to vote next general election not Caricom citizens legal or illegal. Here we are in a slow economic period with government under severe pressure from those same BLP voices clamouring to reduce the current account deficit. One would like to believe that on the issue of healthcare politicians can dispense with taking this matter to the football field.

If you are Barbadian in possession of obligatory citizenship ‘papers’ free healthcare is waiting for you. If you do not have the ‘papers’ you have to pay! Exceptions will be made on a case by case business given the mess inherited at the Immigration Department which fuelled the laissez faire approach to immigration in Barbados in the recent past.

139 responses to “Free Healthcare For BARBADIANS”


  1. I too is backing the minister 100%, there are persons from within CAricom, who are coming to Barbados on so-called “vacation”, remaining in the country and eventually working, then they bring their family over. One of the main reasons, as told to me by a guyanese, is our education and health system. Under the previous administration, these persons benefitted at the expense of bajans, since many didn’t pay the same taxes as bajans but in the case of a medical emergency, the drain the Barbados health system. I know of a case where a illegal guyanese was working and fell from a ladder and was paralysed, he remain in the hospital for months and his family couldn’t pay but it was costing the Barbados government about Bds $ 10,000.00 per day to keep him, and this is only one of many cases I’ve heard about. The education system is just as bad, illegal children are educated free because the system is not strict with the rules governing the entry of children into school in Barbados, but in any case there is a law that states , all children residing in this country, MUST attend school. Our economic situation is very tight and thisgovernment MUST find means in safeguarding the rights of its citizens, therefore if the minister sees it fit to pull the screws on illegal people then hats of to him, because one has and application in asking for citizenship, it does not entitle one to citizen benefits.

  2. Random Thoughts Avatar
    Random Thoughts

    But David of BU health care ain’t free.

    Barbados is one of the most heavily taxed jurisdictions in the world.

    We pay heavy, heavy, heavy taxes for the “free” health care.

    And some of those now being denied “free” health care have been paying taxes in Barbados for decades and decades.

    Lemme give you an example David. I have sibling who left Barbados at 18 in 1955. Said sibling who has NEVER PAID A CENT OF TAXES IN BARBDOS. not a single cent David can come “home” tonight and access our health care system that some idiots call “free”

    I have a young Bajan friend married to a “foreigner” who has lived in Barbados for 14 years and who has paid taxes in Barbados (and who has NEVER PAID TAXES ANYWHERE ELSE BUT BARBADOS) all her working life and who can’t access a “free” aspirin in our health care system

    And furthermore the young foreign wife has also been told by Immigration that she can’t apply for Bajan citizenship as she has a Caricom skilled nationals certificate, yes the young wife graduated from Bajan primary and secondary schools and from UWI, Cave Hill. Therefore this young wife who has committted to reman n Barbados paying Bajan taxes all her life is being told that she must forever remain in limbo, that she can never be granted Barbadian citizenship.

    Either Immigration is lying.

    Or Immigration does not understand Barbados’ Immigration law.

    David I would rather the Barbados government deny my 100 % Bajan sibling access to our health care system.

    And permit my young foreign friend access.

    What is happening now is bare foolishness.

    He who pays the piper (taxes) should be able to to dance to the music (access the “free” health care).

    And I don’t care what you and Donville say when ya wrong ya wrong.

  3. Random Thoughts Avatar
    Random Thoughts

    Quoting Scout ” I know of a case where a illegal guyanese was working and fell from a ladder and was paralysed, he remain in the hospital for months and his family couldn’t pay but it was costing the Barbados government about Bds $ 10,000.00 per day to keep him”

    So Scout if a man is crippled while building a building in Barbados for a Bajan and while working for a Bajan employer if Barbados does not look after him then who will?

    I feel if Barbados’ work mash-up the man then Barbados (preferbly his employer’s insurance company) owe’s him compensation.

    And Scout don’t you think that the Barbados government should have and shoud enforce regulations that employers MUST HAVE INSURANCE whih covers their workers, especially people who are doing such hazardous work as roofing.

    Do you have insurance for your employees Scout?

  4. Random Thoughts Avatar
    Random Thoughts

    Quoting Scout “illegal children are educated free because the system is not strict with the rules governing the entry of children into school in Barbados, but in any case there is a law that states , all children residing in this country, MUST attend school”

    If you think that educating illegal children (what’ s that Scoutty?) is expensive, just wait and see what failing to educate a generation of “illegal children” will cost us.

  5. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    Frrom over at BFP:-

    what will they think of next
    May 9, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    Everyone and his mother seem to believe that Barbados is the free health care capital of the world.
    Guyanese, Jamaicans, Englishmen, Americans, Chinese and the list goes on and on.
    Is it only me that see a problem here?


  6. Barbados has to be careful with illegal immigrants.

    It is important to make health care accessible to them so that they don’t spread communicable diseases.

    The overall health of the population should not be put at risk.

  7. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    This is just another reason why the Barbados Labour Party MUST NOT be returned to office anytime soon.

    It would be a free for all.

  8. Charles S.Cadogan Sr Avatar
    Charles S.Cadogan Sr

    I think that all businesses that has employees should have insurance for them. This should be mandatory, and enforced to the fullest by those who makes the laws; This is one way of cutting the cost being imposed on the government to foot the health bills. Health issues are serious issues that needs to be addressed without delay. As for the immigration taking care of papers being filed. It seems that like quite a few other government agencies they have 2 speeds.. 1 **DEAD SLOW**and 2 **STOP** . Time is costing the tax payers big time.. When people aren’t taking care of the business at hand. Those in power should then deal with the people who are hired to do these jobs and aren’t doing them. Why keep someone in a job when that person isn’t doing what he or she is being paid to do??? Shake up those who are asleep on the job, or dragging their feet; Barbados believe it or not had a better health system in place before the good old USA. But as always everything in Barbados seem to be selective towards some, more than others;


  9. If this Government get back in power

    something wrong !
    Somehow the Government seems like a Government in its last term and this is something I heard on the call in show last week


  10. Random Thoughts
    Call me insular or xenophobic but it appears the “foreigner” has more say in a man’s country than the man himself. There is a reason why someone has a passsport which declares where you are from. I stated sometime ago that bajans will soon become fifth class citizens in their own country and I’ve lived to see and hear “foreigners” challenging bajans for their Godgiven rights that their foreparents have worked so hard to establish for them. One day coming soon bajans will wakeup and it wouldn’t be nice for someone, the problem, we are too accomodated and people try to take advantage of us.


  11. Random Thoughts
    Something’s wrong with your story about a bajan man with a foreigner wife; are you sure they are married? The laws in Barbados favors women, in that a foreigner woman who is legally married to a barbadian man automatically is given citizenship, however it is not so with a barbadian woma who marries a foreigner man. Therefore if what you’re saying is true, she needs an attorney to deal with that case, unless it was declared a marriage of convenience.


  12. That has always been the law in Barbados concerning benefits.Only Citizens and Permanent residents are entitled UNDER THE LAW for “Free” healthcare and education and Government is only enforcing the law.The lawlessness that was continuing for sometime is what made people believe that Non-nationals whom were not even permanent residents were entitled to these benefits.I applaud Government for doing what is necessary in enforcing the law with regards to benefits and it should have been done a long time ago as we probably would have saved a lot of money over the decades Barbados has been independent.I can’t believe some here think their Citizenship isn’t worth anything and all and sundry just because they “pay taxes” should have access to benefits when the reality is it just doesn’t work that way in the real world and if you travel you’d know.I can guarantee that most major countries require permanent residency at a bare minimum in order to get “free” healthcare like Canada and Australia & The US requires you to have permanent residency[Green card] for a minimum of 5 years to be even eligible.

    Having only Citizens and Permanent residents access to the system I think decreases the burden largely and places extra money in the coffers until the Non-national’s status is upgraded to reflect that they are entitled to such benefits then.I believe there are also no contingent rights in Barbados for CSME holders to access “Free healthcare” in Barbados until they gain at least permanent residency or citizenship as the status is still quite new and there are absolutely no regional rules concerning such,afaik yet.

    Government is doing the right think to bring fiscal responsibility back to the country or VAT will have to go up again to include non-nationals and I know most do not want such.If there was some sort of payment scheme across regional borders then obviously healthcare might not be a major issue as they do in the EU where the country of a person’s birth within the EU actually pays for the healthcare bill in another EU state.I also think Barbados should make it mandatory to employers to provide lodgings and insurance before approvals for work permits could also solve this issue.

    Warning Fact:Entitlements are the number 1 killer to any country’s fiscal responsibility plan.I see that very clearly here in the US,Canada and the UK if you ever visit these places and know that the number 1 reason is due to not taking care of the bills and letting the deficits and public debt increase due to not being too careful with whom you let into the country.One should not fall for the ‘feel good’ attitude when there are major things at stake.

    1.For the US it is Social security and Medicare/Medicaid and main reason for the high debt.They made it 5 years for permanent residents considering how many immigrate every year.
    2.Canada screens every potential immigrant[permanent resident] VERY carefully so you won’t be a burden on the system considering they already have high taxes.
    3.The UK seems to give out benefits to almost every potential immigrant[Asylum seekers] including free healthcare,money and even housing and the public is hugely negative on any potential immigrant right now hence why the conservatives got in led by PM Cameron.They have started a massive removal campaign so the benefits aren’t taken advantage of.


  13. Random Thoughts
    An illegal immigrant should have no rights in another person’s country, it is different if he/she is here on vacation and is hurt (for example) in a road accident, but if you’re here doing an illegal act, how can you claim responsibility by the countries government? How can an illegal person be given insurance in another person’s country to work when that person is doing something illegal; can you get insurance for a person to steal? well this is what an illegal person is doing.
    It is time this government clarifies the immigration matters, since if the matter is allowed to drag on it can only get worse and it can cause major problems here in Barbados.
    Why should my child be fighting for a space in a Barbadian school with a child of an illegal immigrant? Where is my child’s rights as a Barbadian born citizen? Mr Barrow fought hard for “free” education for BAJAN children an it is the envy to the rest of the Caribbean, now other regionalists have seen an opening in this Caricom Treaty and intend to exploit it to it’s fullest. The politicians might make the treaties but WE bajans must make the moral lwas for our offspring. One day a foreigner will squat on your land and declares he/she has the right to do that too. god help this little country, we’re sinking under the weight of over population by “foreigners.”


  14. Nice and about time 😉


  15. A total bunch of non-sense, a backward and foolish policy from a foolish Government.

    Do we understand that this policy refuses to grant access to free health care to non-nationals, who are on valid work permits and make NIS contributions?

    If ever the Government wanted to give people a good reason not to pay NIS contributions, this is it. How can you make a man pay contributions to something he cannot access?

    A political ploy to tap into what the DLP believes is national sentiment against too many foreigners in Barbados. This whole immigation and discrimination policy of the DLP will BACKFIRE.


  16. Random Thoughts and Rose Art have some very valid points. So what is the point of a non national on a work permit or permanent resident contributing to the NIS ? NIS and Inland revenue contributions for holders of work permits are almost double to what Barbadians with similar incomes pay.


  17. 1)This noise coming from the DLP is just that… noise .. keep the anti immigrant fire burning, as nothing else is happening.. primarily , economic activity .
    2) The vexation issue of this policy has to do with LEGAL non national working and paying the required taxes. so for all those who keep pushing the “illegal” line, the agenda is plain to see.
    3) If such be the case, then non national should have a different NIS rate as they would not be entitle to certain facilities that NIS was meant to encompass

    ploy…eyes wide shut


  18. Have a reread of Jay’s comment.

    The right of the Citizen must be given the most weight in the issue being discussed.

    Paying taxes is NOT the be all and end all.

    In any situation whether personal, business or even by organizations caps are inserted to ensure things don’t get out of hand.

    Barbados is a small country labouring in an adverse economic climate.


  19. If you’re laid-off or sick and you go to the NIS office for benefits, they check to see that your contributions are up to date before they pay. Why can’t it be the same for non-citizens who require medical treatment? We have computers now, you know.


  20. @ Jay
    I noticed you did not mention the UK where foreign students and individuals on work permits are entitled to free health care.
    @RoseArt
    You are correct, it is called demagoguery!! The impression is being given that these individuals are a financial strain on the health care system; but the issue of access to health care can not be viewed solely from an economic perspective. The Minister should give us numbers i.e. evidence to support the government’s position. Are we to expect an end to the annual Ministry of Health supplementary this financial year?
    This is just a continuation of this government’s approach to policy–lacking in evidence, unbalanced, political, poorly researched, illegal and incoherent. However else someone would be entitled to VOTE but not to access free health care?


  21. and Enuff your stripes are also showing by ignoring the fact that we have so many people in Barbados who have been free loading on our healthcare.

    If the BLP was not playing politics they would know this to be the case because it is being freely admitted away from the public gaze.

    We need to sort out our problems and somebody needs to step up and do it and stop the pandering for votes!

  22. Bajan Living In NY Avatar
    Bajan Living In NY

    Bajan you all are to blasted caring and giving. I migrated to the USA over 20 year’s ago as a permanent resident (A Green Car Holder) and have been a US citizen for the pass 6 years had a great paying job with payed benefits that was taken from my salary, so Bajan at home no company pay medical insurance for any employee its your own money deducted from your pay get that in wanna head. I lost that job 2 years ago and was unemployed for that time after the great US economic melt down, today I have a job again now paying me half of what I was making, no benefits any more not even payed vacation (yes they are such company’s in the USA) I apply for free medicate and was turn down why because I make more than $780.00 per month you have to be making $780. or less to qualify for FREE healthcare in NYC and am a TAX paying citizen of the state of NYC and are not entitle.

    Now there is no such thing as free healthcare fin America someone has to pay for it, you go they provide the services needed and bill you later, most people never pay the bill because they give a wrong address etc. or they just never pay the bill when it come and who pays for it in the end tax payers.

    I love my Barbados land of my birth but don’t let outsiders tell you they must get this and they must get that for FREE.

  23. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    ROSE ART

    “A political ploy to tap into what the DLP believes is national sentiment against too many foreigners in Barbados. This whole immigation and discrimination policy of the DLP will BACKFIRE”

    Open the flood gates let in every tom, dick, and harry, give them everything free and let them overwhelm everything.

    I refuse to believe that you are this STUPID.

    This Government is on the RIGHT PATH.

    That is why my family and I VOTED FOR THEM…….and will vote for them again.

    WE HAVE TO KEEP THE CROOKED BARBADOS LABOUR PARTY ON THE OPPOSITION BENCHES. It is as simple as that.

  24. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    “White Rum” Arthur is resposible for this garbage.
    His Government encouraged all this illegal immigration into Barbados.

    Instead of locking up the illegals as should have happen he had some of them building cupboards at his home and he publicly admitted it.

    He should have been arrested and charged for breaking the laws of Barbados. But the Royal Barbados Police Force refused to do their jobs properly.

    As a result that Son of a bitch escaped jail time. Now we have to deal with all these foreign dog fleas.

  25. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    Why doesn’t the Government of Bermuda have this problem?


  26. BU/Carson C Cadogan
    I think it is grossly disgraceful for you CCC to refer to the former P.M as a Son of a Bitch, we have moved waaaaaay beyond that type of behaviour, You may not like the man (that is your right) but PLEASE respect the office he held. To you BU this type of behaviour and language towards a distinguished man of this country, should not have been allowed to appear on your blog.


  27. Bajan Living in N.Y
    In every country in the world, citizens of the country are treated in a manner way above anyone else; that’s why it is difficult to gain citizenship to these countries; a high level of deportment is expected from persons who are accepted as their citizens. Only in Barbados can any and everybody believe that it is a free for all. How many other caribbean countries have free education or free medical care, therefore it is cheaper for these people to live in barbados than in their our country. Barbados cannot allow this it will eventually deplete us, then all the good work done by our pass leaders would have been in vain, our offspring will hate us for this.


  28. @ Carson C. Cadogan

    Let’s face it, you are a DLP lacky and that makes you blind to anything they do, although you can see with you eyes.

    How the hell do you explain that after issuing a work permit or some other legal status to/on a non-national and mandating by law, that they must contribute to the NIS even though he cannot access the benefits?

    Its simple Carson, you have some green Ministers who either don’t know what the are doing (and don’t care to understand) or they are being led or misled by civil servants (in which case that is evidence that the don’t know what they are doing) or they are playing politics with serious issues like immigation and healthcare.

    Are you aware that large numbers of British nations legally residing in Barbados have decided to take advantage of the bi-lateral NIS agreement that exist between Barbados and the United Kingdom are are working in Barbados but now paying NIS in the United Kingdom?

    That is the result of the foolish policy which expects legally resident non-nationals to pay into a system in which they cannot access the benefits.

    The Minister is WRONG. I will be the first to say the I like Donville Inniss. If a man admits he has faults, he has one less fault to admit too.


  29. @ CCC

    “As a result that Son of a bitch escaped jail time. Now we have to deal with all these foreign dog fleas”

    You will recall that DHJ Thompson (RIP) was once a, as you put it, “foreign do flea in Barbados” Do you know that?


  30. David,
    I have never hidden my ‘stripes’, and as I have mentioned before who wins the next election is not a concern of mine. Winning is one thing and governing is another, which since 2008 has been clear to all and sundry. My stance is based on common sense, as I have always argued, emotion too often guide our opinions.
    This government embarked on an immigration agenda early in its term of office, which sought to rid the island of illegal immigrants. If that operation was/is a success, illegal immigrants must now be a minor issue and their access to free health care an insignificant component of the debate regarding the cost of the provision of free health care by the State. One must therefore deduce that the issue is about persons who are eligible for citizenship and permanent residence, unless their much heralded IMMIGRATION plan has failed.
    Given the above it is clear that the announcement by the Minister is purely political aimed at “pandering for votes”, and not based on any expected savings in the provision of health care. My position is further supported by the disclosure made by the same Minister about there being 15,000 back cases when his government came to office, but no indication as to what progress has been made since assuming the reins of government. This is especially important because once these applications are processed there is a possibility that a large number of persons currently not accounted for in calculating costs will in the near future become eligible via permanent residence or citizenship. I argued in my earlier post that there is a lack of coherency and coordination in government policy, and this is further evidenced by the clear disconnect that exists between immigration and access to health care policy. A more proactive approach would be to deal with the issues in immigration so that policy formulation could be based on evidence and strategic, as opposed to short-sighted, politicised and knee-jerk reactions.
    Lastly, your attempt to parallel this issue with squatting, the renting of pig pens and overcrowded housing makes little sense to me. How many Barbadians grew up in, and some continue to live in homes, with too few rooms? The fact is that overcrowding has always been amongst us and will continue; the key however is that persons in the household are free of communicable diseases and if they happen to contract such that access to health care is available even if they can’t afford to pay.
    Are/were only non-nationals squatting? Clearly, the BLP understood that a knee-jerk reaction to these issues was not the way to go, and I am told that the matter of relocating squatters was being addressed as part of housing policy, and many locations currently being used by the NHC including Fordes Rd and Haggatt Hall etc were earmarked. What about their plans for decentralised sewerage?
    This is how policy, though slow in implementation, is devised by taking a broad approach to the issue and recognising the need to analyse and balance the environmental, social, political and economic costs and benefits.

  31. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    ROSE ART

    Big difference, but of course you will never see it.

  32. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    enuff

    “Given the above it is clear that the announcement by the Minister is purely political aimed at “pandering for votes””

    The only people pandering for votes are the Barbados Labour Party.

    They are desperate. They have nothing of any substance to offer the people of Barbados so they are trying to ferment unrest in Barbados.

    Since they were removed from office they have offered Barbadians nothing of any worth at all. They are bankrupt of ideas.

    GLOOM AND DOOM, GLOOM AND DOOM that is all they have to offer. We have been subjected to this from them since Jan. 2008. The fact all their ALL predictionS have fallen flat on their face is not stopping these Barbados Labour Party boneheads.

    Pitiful, sorry bunch of losers.

  33. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    ROSE ART

    “Its simple Carson, you have some green Ministers who either don’t know what the are doing”

    BUT YOU DO?

    I don’t recall seeing you on top of any political platform begging Bajans for a vote at election time. You don’t have the guts or the intelligence for such.

    We voted them into office and they are doing the people’s business and all Bajans with common sense are supporting them.


  34. Carson,
    Your responses are always bereft of substance. I implore you to read Harry Russell’s column in yesterday’s Nation; and I can confirm that BNB has been sending home part-time workers for the past four months.

  35. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    Enuff

    I can tell you that Sandra Husbands will loose her deposit in the upcoming General Elections.


  36. Why not address the fact the Immigration Department is under pressure to respond to the thousands of application found by this government?

    Why are we not addressing the real problem? Why politicize everything?


  37. David,
    That was the gist of my argument no?

    “A more proactive approach would be to deal with the issues in immigration so that policy formulation could be based on evidence, and strategic, as opposed to short-sighted, politicised and knee-jerk reactions.”

    @ Carson
    It wont be my money. lol


  38. Caswell Franklyn is on the mid day VoB talk show telling it like it is BU style. Kudos to VoB for giving him a voice. Looks like somebody listening to the BU family.

  39. Random Thoughts Avatar
    Random Thoughts

    I’d like Immigration to review documents and grant all applicant’s citizenship within a year of applicaiton.

    Or within the same year tell them a firm no, followed by removal.


  40. @ David

    Is it David or Peter?

    There was no immigation issue before the DLP came to power. The applications for work permits and other forms of status we being processed, appoving some, rejecting some and deporting others post elections in 2008.

    Since 2008 Barbadians do not know where the GOB stands on the issue of immigation, and thats becuase there is no clear policy on the issue. At best it can be characterised as developing along with the attendant mistakes of trying to make a policy have you have set out on a journey without knowing either where you are going or where you will end up.


  41. Enuff said:
    I noticed you did not mention the UK where foreign students and individuals on work permits are entitled to free health care.

    Did you also noticed I said that is EXACTLY why they are doing a massive removal campaign in the UK on immigration numbers.Did you notice that the Cameron government will be limiting those who come in on Work permits and Student visas or are you just being disingenuous ? Considering there are so many from the UK visiting Barbados one just needs to ask a few to get a picture of how they truly feel about it.The benefits going to non-UK citizens,hell some even admit not liking EU nationals taking advantage of the system.You chose only the UK because it was the only country doing such and currently trying to reverse that and you know it !!!!!!
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1309369/Student-visa-crackdown-immigration-minister-vows-cut-number-arrivals.html
    http://www.expathiring.com/news/uk-to-cut-non-eu-skilled-work-permits/
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    Roseart said:

    Do we understand that this policy refuses to grant access to free health care to non-nationals, who are on valid work permits and make NIS contributions?If ever the Government wanted to give people a good reason not to pay NIS contributions, this is it. How can you make a man pay contributions to something he cannot access?

    IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE POLICY,NOTHING WAS FREE for NON-nationals whom were NOT Permanent residents at the very least!!!!! It is just that it is now being currently enforced,call any government office or BLP headquarters to confirm or do your own homework.Entitlements are the number 1 killer to any country’s budget if there is no fiscal discipline and I take it Mr. Inniss knows this.Many countries require that non-nationals have Insurance before they are given long term visas and I suspect Government might have to include this in the Green paper if it isn’t already included.I don’t see how anyone can logically dictate that services be given to people whom are NOT legally entitled to such and those that have placed more monetary resources into the system as citizens and permanent residents all their lives should be secondary to non-nationals who had no right in the first place.


  42. @Rose Art

    Concerning your NIS argument..that is LIMITED to 3 years max. and considering the amount of Bajans in the UK I think that is OK but even UK nationals aren’t always given the insurance according to their site.

    http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/nic/work/ss-agree.htm

    “Basic Rule – You pay contributions in the country where you work

    If you work in a country with which the UK has a Reciprocal Agreement or Double Contribution Convention you are usually insured under the social security laws of the country you work in. You will not usually have to pay UK National Insurance contributions. But this is not always the case. “


  43. @ Jay

    You seem to miss the point/principle, how can someone (example: a non-national on a work permit in Barbaods) be required by law, to contribute to the National Insurance Scheme of Barbados and then not be able to access the benefits of the scheme.

    Think about it, its like making a man take out insurance and pay premiums but in the event of some peril he is not insurance against anything. In other words he has contributed to nothing.

    Its rather simple, if someone is here legally by whatever means and upon whatever status and they are making contributions then they should be able to access the benefits for which their contributions are used to pay.

    The irony here is that in a system like NIS the more people you have on the system (paying contributions) the more financially sound the system should be not to mention it should also be more resilient to shocks.


  44. To further cement my points there is certainly no discrepancy as people only assume non-nationals are entitled to such !!!

    http://www.foreign.gov.bb/geneva/category.cfm?category=15

    “What types of social services are available in Barbados?

    Barbados offers a range of social services to NATIONALS free of cost, including free primary health care and free education up to tertiary level. ”
    ——————————————
    The issue is that many non-nationals applying for status[whether immigrant or citizenship] and some Bajans believe non-nationals have the same rights in terms of access to social services in Barbados when that is certainly NOT the case.APPLYING FOR STATUS IS NOT THE SAME AS HAVING IT APPROVED AND CONFIRMED BY THE IMMIGRATION DEPT FOR THE PURPOSE OF ACCESSING SOCIAL SERVICES IN BARBADOS.

    Everyone should read the following to truly see what is the problem.
    http://sta.uwi.edu/iir/news/theworldtoday/article57.pdf

    “The disparities regarding the delivery of social services, provides a useful insight into the existing state of Contingent Rights in CARICOM member states. Since 1962, successive Barbados governments have continued to view the universal access to social services as rights, which all citizens should, by law, enjoy. Hence, the government offers its citizens several social services such as education and healthcare either free or at a subsidized cost.
    Accordingly, non-national permanent residents in Barbados benefit from these social services at the same cost as citizens. Again, however, the cost for access to social services is not standardised across the region, as for instance, the full cost of education is borne in St. Lucia.”


  45. So many persons with immigrant status lived in Barbados for over thirty years and are now rushing to apply for citizenship.
    My friend who is a JP told me that a lot of these persons never saw the need to apply for citizenship and now that the policy of free health care for nationals only is being carried out they are filling up the immigration department with applications and complaining on the call in programs.
    Mia Mottley should know that free health care for all Barbadians and all who are in Barbados is not sustainable.
    If non nationals are paying taxes then that is for riding on the buses, driving on the roads, having access to good water. They are living here and therefore they have to contribute.


  46. @RoseArt

    I noticed you said “Principle” which can be translated as a belief or a proposition.What I wrote however was the “law” because it has been policy since 1962 !!!!!


  47. @ Jay
    The reduction in the number of work permits being issued by the UK government has had no impact on the policy regarding access to free health care. Universities, the business community and even the Secretaries and Ministers responsible for these portfolios are against the reductions. Furthermore, every one knows that the Conservative arm of the Coalition government is anti-immigration and their policies are based purely on political motives and as such are often lacking cohesion and open to Judicial Review.
    How interesting that you opine:
    “Entitlements are the number 1 killer to any country’s budget if there is no fiscal discipline and I take it Mr. Inniss knows this.”
    This is too funny given the current government’s approach to the transport board, NHC houses, constituency councils etc.


  48. Taxes arent only for healthcare purposes taxes help subsidize the cost of some of the services that we take for granted. imagine if our tax structure didnt seild some of the burden, we would be paying 6 dollars in bus fare, 4+ times as much for other things. taxation is more complexed than some ppl are making it out to be.

  49. Random Thoughts Avatar
    Random Thoughts

    Free health care (and it ain’t free since it cost those of us BOTH Bajans and foreigners who live and WORK and PAY TAXES here pay a bundle in income tax, land tax, VAT, duties etc., etc. etc.) should NOT BE AVAILABLE to all Barbadians.

    Barbadians who live work and pay taxes overseas should access their health care in the places where they live and work and pay taxes.

    Those Bajans who return to live in Barbados should be made to pay into the system for a year or so first before they can make claims on the system (the actuaries can decide of how much wait time makes financial sense).

    Foreign migrants into Barbados should have to pay for a year or so first too before they can access “free” health care (again the acturies can make the calculations)

    Genuine emergencies and contagious and infectious illnesses should of necessity should be treated for everybody.

    And people moving to Barbados, both Bajans and foreigners should be informed beforehand that they MUST purchase private health insurance for the first year or so (or whatever amount of time is the acturaries decide)

    Fair to everybody.


  50. Random that sounds fair and non-discriminatory.

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