Submitted by Terence Blackett


In 1492, when Columbus was making his voyages through the Caribbean, it is said that the Native West Indians (American Indians who had travelled South) could not see the sailing vessels approaching on the distant horizon. Their brains could not process the information due in part to the fact that they had never seen such large galleons before. It was only after constantly looking out onto the horizon that spatial recognition transformed the ships into physical objects of reality creating a new consciousness in their minds.

The philosophy of consciousness is inherently a fundamental part of the universe just like scientific issues of matter and velocity. Human spatial awareness is inherently a God-given attribute which has always existed and we each have our own individual consciousness as part of this larger collective consciousness. The exploratory concept of proto-consciousness however assumes that every living thing is also a part of this spatial consciousness, and that each living being has to some extent varying levels of what we term self-consciousness.

This is fundamental to our understanding because it is said that we are only seeing and experiencing the tip of a quantum mechanical iceberg. If our brains can process 400 billion bytes of information per second – then why are we only using 2000 bytes which involves our spatial recognition and understanding of time-space distanciation, our physical bodies and its [5] primary senses and our evolving and changing environment? Are we even capable of going beyond the realm of mere superficial consciousness – migrating from a loci of sensory perception to another proto-consciousness state? And what can the science of quantum mechanics and quantum geometry allow us to understand about our own levels of human spirituality if anything at all?

Arguably, the materialist aspects of quantum science have been obsessed for decades with measurable, observable phenomena in the hope of logging empirical data in spreadsheets, graphs and tables. The irony has been how can science account for the billions of bytes of information processed daily in the human brain which remains randomized and unaccounted for and cannot be allocated a definitive tabulation or an analytical framework. If we think of the eyes as analogous to the lens of a video camera (which when recording sees more than the images that is within its focus) – then could it be that our brain processes so much more than is perceptibly possible but because of innate prejudices and judgments as well as social preconditioning, we are only allowed to see what we want to see?

Science is beginning to recognize that the world between our two ears and the observable world out there BOTH carry an intrinsic harmony which is measurable and quantifiable at some points and at others points pose menacingly niggling questions which call for hypotheses, theories and oftentimes conjecture to make sense of them. Scientists who have for years been grappling with sub-atomic physics continue to be baffled as to where atoms and particles appear and disappear to and some of the answers are frankly nothing more than human guess-work. One of the challenges even within the realm of quantum mechanics is the question of where TIME* goes. Does it go backward or does it go forward? And can we alter time? In the Bible, it is recorded that a prophet did!

Eminent researchers like Dr. Amit Goswani are forging a new pathway in the science of quantum theoretical science which looks at this whole idea of the fusion and merger of modern scientific theory with ancient philosophical pathways as a way of understanding our world and for those of us who choose to come to a fundamental understanding of Intelligent Design caused not in part but in the whole by an Intelligent Designer.

The spiritual and religious notion of a Creator GOD* continues to evoke all kinds of emotions amongst many within the scientific establishment and in the public square of secular humanist philosophy are many disingenuous thoughts and the haranguing of epistemic modal logic by those who seek excuses to disavow knowledge of anything outside of their [5] base physical sensory attributes. This is where not only science hits the wall but where common men stagnate in perpetuity. Within their brains is this discombobulation effect – an almost permanent loss of desire to activate the hidden resources of the mind, recognizing the quantum effects of all of those bytes of disused information prevalent in the mind which go undiscovered, undeveloped and unused fulfilling the Scriptures which says – “where there is no knowledge or ‘vision’ people continue to perish”.

If Dr. Goswani is correct, then the physical things around us are merely movements of consciousness and by choosing these moments and movements we translate these things or as Heisenbeger termed them “tendencies” into the realm of consciousness. But they are many theoretical physicists who have a problem with this position because of the controversially radical nature of it.

For example, Quantum Theory espouses this notion of Quantum Positioning which puts a myriad of possibilities in both our past, present and future actions. And from those multiple of positions come the power to choose a distinct position where all other multiples collapse into that one determinant choice. So Quantum Mechanics ask the question – “can we go back in time and change our choice and/or our position?” Science believes – yes it is possible based on current quantum trends available now which influences all the possible positions which ultimately produce the best possible outcome as we go into the future. So the choices we make now determine our past and ultimately affect our future.

As human beings, we have long been taught to accept that the created things are set, separate and distinct from our own individual reality but this is not really the case. In the same way, notions and ideas of a Creator God within the context of theoretical science posits this narrative that there is no basis in empirical science for any appreciable understanding of spirituality.

But is that really the case?

In the book “The Spiritual Brain: A Neuroscientist’s Case for the Existence of the Soul” – Mario Beauregard has concluded that, “Individual minds and selves arise from and are linked together by a divine Ground of Being (or primordial matrix). That is the spaceless, timeless, and infinite Spirit, which is the ever-present source of cosmic order, the matrix of the whole universe, including both physis (material nature) and psyche (spiritual nature). Mind and consciousness represent a fundamental and irreducible property of the Ground of Being. Not only does the subjective experience of the phenomenal world exist within mind and consciousness, but mind, consciousness, and self profoundly affect the physical world…it is this fundamental unity and interconnectedness that allows the human mind to causally affect physical reality and permits psi interaction between humans and with physical or biological systems. With regard to this issue, it is interesting to note that quantum physicists increasingly recognize the mental nature of the universe.”

The basis for quoting Beauregard is that in our last article a few weeks ago, we looked at Stephen Hawking’s M-Theoretical position in his work entitled The Grand Design which to many of us was another throw of the dice to prove the possibility of the non-EXISTENCE of a GRAND DESIGNER – a position which has proven incoherent and pointless.

Hawking in his landmark work “A Brief History of Time” – suggests that: “If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason – for then we should know the mind of God.” Yet in the said book he argues that the existence of God was unnecessary to explain the origin of the universe… Is that a contradiction as well as a denial of his own assumptions or merely the mutterings of an overcharged brain?

Hawking’s early research work in the book “The Large Scale Structure of Space-Time”, cites that: “It seems to be a good principle that the prediction of [God] by a physical theory indicates that the theory has broken down, i.e. it no longer provides a correct description of observations.” So while Hawking tried to dispel the possibilities of God in using Quantum Geometry to box God out by some mathematical theory – the sad irony is that he and his cohorts have again failed in their insalubrious quest to undermine The Creator’s existence.

What is truly astonishing is how quantum science has opened up a whole new world of endless possibilities to mankind yet for the most part we are stuck in this neutral vortex of inertia about the world around us and the “magic” (used in an imaginative context) that life offers to us if we were but to open up our minds and our souls to the limitless possibilities we have available to us. But the fault may lie with the pace of life and the fragmentation and flux we experience as the world we have created “bobs” and “weaves” out of control.

A final question asks – can we individually and collectively affect the reality of the world around us at the deepest subconscious level? You better believe we can! It has been proven time and again that we create our own world – a gift given to us by God at the moment of inception. The deception however has been that we have been spoon-fed lies about how we can change not only our thought process but also the trends and the observable, empirically tested realities which greet us every day.

One dramatic case in point was a group research study in the murder capital of the United States – Washington DC. It was shown that in the summer of 1993; where [4000] volunteers came from over a 100 different countries to collectively meditate for long periods of time during the day as a way to reduce the capital’s crime rate by some 25%. The DC Police Chief went on television stating that it would take two feet of snow to reduce crime that summer. The wonderful thing was that crime in DC did fall by 25% that summer and the Police Department did collaborate in the research work which had already seen similar successes in [48] other smaller studies.

The argument is clear – denying a scientific basis for spirituality has proven false and the objectification of reality can summed up in a simple passage of Scripture – “As a man thinketh in his heart so is he”.

There are empirical proofs that our thought process does influence the existential world around us and only God Himself truly understands the full capacity of man’s potential and his ability to chart his divine destiny in this life with repercussions for a world without physical limits or esoteric boundaries to come in the distant future. The choice however is ours. We must understand that the time for straddling fences has almost run out…

If we are what we eat – then we are what we think! This is a water-study by Japanese Dr. Masuru Emoto…which clearly proves our point!

215 responses to “Is There A Scientific Basis For Spirituality? And Can Quantum Mechanics Map A Space/Time Continuum For Proto-Consciousness Which Invariably Frames A Solid Argument For the Existence Of God?”


  1. @ TECHIE*

    You points may seem salient but your reasoning is truly arbitrary lopsided…

    Even if things are said about another – the final word is with CHRIST*, is it not? We all say about eachother!!! How often have I said things to MY BELOVED Better-HALF* and then regretted – yet she is the closest person in my world bar none – except CHRIST!!! Some things are said in JEST and other in vitriol… And words can wound and yet heal depending on where you are at… Thankful, the space between my ears is pretty vast and thank God – for if it wasn’t I could live in the country or any of the place I have lived in the last 40 years including SUNNY* ‘ole Barbados which we all laud as PARADISE… But even paradise is riddled with all kinds of STUFF*…

    We all have to stand before CHRIST* to give an account for words spoken, things done and even thoughts we conjure up about anything or anyone… Yet I am wise enough to know that I have to work out my own salvation… So excuse me, while I get BUSY* doing that and frankly have time for much less!!!

    Jesus was called all kinds of things and some of them were actually TRUE*… (lol)

    For example, HE* was a friend of PUBLICANS & SINNERS!!! GUILTY…

    So what’s the BID DEAL about that?

    He eat and drank with the “SCUM” of the earth, hanging out with hoes* (excuse my french) and all kinds of vermin according to man’s perception – but were these not the same people who gave HIM* sanctuary when HE* needed LOVE*, REST* & COMFORT*…

    HIS* favorite place of residence and abode was at a BEGGAR’S* house where his sister was a converted “hoe” (again excuse my parlance) and only GOD* knows who Martha* really was but one thing we do know about her is that she was an effigy of domestication)…

    So with all due respect dear one, my CHRISTIANITY* is never threatened by words, innuendo or banter… I am bigger than… stronger and more resourceful in the person that I am… Yet exhibiting a loving disposition because of JESUS CHRIST!!!

    So to try and instigate NONSENSE* about ZOE* is frankly in bad taste and shows a cowering to the lowest common denominator…

    Time to ditch that BAJAN* mentality!!!

    This was our grandparents mindset –

    WELCOME TO THE 21ST CENTURY!!!

    Time to get the stick out the MUD…


  2. @ MME

    “If you get up any morning for the next few weeks, you’ll be treated to the sight of all the planets except Saturn arrayed along the ecliptic, the path of the sun through the sky…”

    “For the last two months, almost all the planets have been hiding behind the sun, but this week they all emerge and are arrayed in a grand line above the rising sun. Mercury, Venus, Mars, and Jupiter are visible, and you can add Uranus and Neptune to your count if you have binoculars or a small telescope…”

    “This sky map of the six planets shows how they should appear at dawn to observers with clear weather and an unobstructed view…”

    SEE:

    http://www.space.com/

  3. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    @TB | May 5, 2011 at 3:53 PM |

    Venus and Jupiter ‘align’ in the morning sky every 3.3 years… May 11 2011, Feb 1 2008, Nov 6 2004, Aug 7 2001…


  4. @ ZOE

    I apologize for that mild “RANT” with “Techie” over nonsense causing me to write rather candidly and NOT* read what it is was trying to put across – hence all the grammatical errors…

    I want you to know that I am a FAN and an ADMIRER* of the knowledge and WISDOM* God has given you and your ZEAL* is unmatched when it comes to the things of GOD*…

    You are a BROTHER* and a FRIEND* and in every family (LOL) there will be disagreements from time to time – yet it does NOT* change the FABRIC* of who we are intrinsically…

    So I just wanted to get that out there so as to clear the ATMOSPHERE!!!


  5. @ BUSHMAN

    “However when you give up and try to run away, there is always some whale or the other- there to bring you back to the job at hand…”

    ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That’s GOOD BRUV*!!!

    Bushie, I would hate to get gobbled up by anything far less a hump back whale who is hungry and I happen to be in his path at meal time…LOL!!!!!!!

    Brother, I am definitely NOT* a JONAH* – neither do I have that kind of good fortune… Clearly God favors some folks and others just get eaten up!!! LOL!!!

    Anyway, having been accused by Techie* of playing in the sandbox with ZOE*; writing off accusatorial behaviour as friendly banter and most troubling of all – the suggestion of being (and I QUOTE) “as confused as the rest”… I would like to know if you are also clumped together in that damning indictment or maybe there’s a get out clause for good folks like you…

    Clearly, to hold any opinion that does sit well with certain FOLKS* can be deemed as “CONFUSION”… But for the sake of argument, does our fellow beloved BLOGGERS* have perfect CLARITY*, translucence and pellucidity in both their arguments and in their often-times ego-centric positions? The question does beg itself… BUT* –

    I think NOT!!!

    BUSHMAN*, you know my admiration for your scholarly as well as your intellectual ability in all matters pertaining LIFE* – and though I have not always agreed with every single slant you hold, my respectful preponderance to disagree to agree still very much holds…

    On the ISSUE* that you’ve raised – we have common ground and always will because anything that pertains to LIFE* & godliness – I am right there with you cheering you on!!!

    What is laudable about you and I must say this as I remember rather faintly once seeing a fellow blogger on BU say this about you –

    Please forgive me if I put it in my own words here – but what was said was is that you have mastered the art of being a brilliant tactician and you know how to ZERO* in on an issue and bring LUCIDITY* to what is something a “DARK” situation and you do it with grace, charm and even some Bushman wit!!!

    On that score, I completely concur… So I beseech my dear BRUV* to continue to man your battle stations because like JONAH* the message gotta’ go whether folks like it or not or whether anyone will REPENT* and change their destructive course…

    So that’s my piece and I done!!! LOL!!!


  6. @Terrence M. Blackett

    You are in Einstein’s trap…..and I mean this sincerely, good luck getting out.

    Here is an example of a linguistic bind:

    [The] “LANGUAGE” of HEAVEN*…

    Use of definite article “The” presupposes that there is only ONE “LANGUAGE” of HEAVEN* But if there is only ONE LANGUAGE of HEAVEN then it is always the same and never changes. But by never changing this LANGUAGE denies all of reality. Because reality is always changing, AKA hetero~iso~quantumflux. This is a problem for a mechanics which attempts to build an understand of reality with states, and discrete values. 1=1 is always true in such a metaphysics. But there is no true “1” in reality because that would require no changing…. Which is why classical and relativistic approaches to a physics of living systems fall flat on their faces.

    Therefore for “the perfect pattern” what would this one pattern be? and if it is ONE can it be a real pattern. You have found just another way to assert there is only one supreme Truth……but then that Truth would have to be never changing……booom your whole framework blows up. Because ONE unchanging Truth above all, denies reality…… Those intelligent enough to see the trap mostly end up in nihilism, the buffoons delude themselves with every grander schemes to avoid this metaphysical conundrum. The idiots never see this trap, and happily resides in their BOX.


  7. @ TB…..

    You really feel you can come on BU and spin that nonsense you just tried????

    What brothers what and what a lousy example to compare Christ with your wife.
    Zoe, GP and Dictionary spent weeks debunking you religion as crap!!
    Zoe dismissed everything from your leader to your practices, now you have the gall to pretend that both of you are on the same track???
    All last year we were ‘taught’ on BU by the Bat Cave guys on how to correctly divide the word, which is the mandate of the true Christian, it is there for all to read, including how your (and others) faith was debunked.
    Now, I don’t use those long words and fancy jargon but I keep it simple and real.
    If, as Zoe et al said, you belong to a cult and do not divide the word correctly, then how in Christ’s name can you even be on the right path?…..that is , providing that Zoe is right.
    Mind you, it goes the other way also…..what if Zoe is wrong?
    You keep waxing lyrical on BU….I watching and learning all the time.
    I dont expect a response until Monday (Sabbath soon) but take your time.
    Zoe keeps telling us that there is only ONE.
    Zoe admonishes those who do not divide the Word correctly.
    Zoe believes that your religion is a Cult.
    This sand box playing is a farce and a joke that anyone with half a brain can see through. At the end of it you are on opposites sides of the fence.
    …….and no, I am not excluding myself, just that while others are confused, I really dont care as I have given up on that for years now.

  8. Myturn2speak Avatar

    @ TB
    Salutations
    That was quite an ambitious posting from the familiar to the debatable. Thanks for sharing.
    @David | May 1, 2011 at 10:09 AM
    Salutations
    The journey towards knowledge can often times take your breath away….Oxygen tanks are always a safe precaution. Lol

    @ Sid Boyce | May 1, 2011 at 10:37 AM |
    Salutations
    Ha Ha! My ribs are hurting!
    Our lives are fractal and the beautiful inherited freewill compels us to seek out those similarities and put those similarities together, to make a unified picture. In that kaleidoscope we’re tasked with adding and removing that which fits best.
    Some of us are blessed with knowing what they would like that picture to be (Love and light; unity and freedom) and therefore labour intensively to find and assimilate those when discovered. I humbly am such an individual. Philosophy begins where science ends. Because Philosophy resides within the fractal nature of the spirit.

    40acres and a mule.(formerly Zion) | May 1, 2011 at 12:04 PM |
    Salutations
    That is an interesting question
    One of the things that intrigues me is that a virus can mutate and replicate as well as survive in some sub-human environments -is this some form of their intelligence? And some animals have better hearing, eyesight, speed, toughness, even love in some cases. Some animals are said to vibrate at a higher frequency than humans. Take the elephant who is said to have highest frequency on the planet. Coincidently, science have shown that the frequency for humans (528 Hz) the greater the interaction and benefit of your DNA.

    Terence M. Blackett | May 1, 2011 at 1:37 PM |
    Salutations
    Interesting paper. Definition is always a problem with these theories. However, Gallistel might be onto something with his looking at nervous system as a source. Which reminds me…..

    There is a proposition that wo/mankind went from an instinct state of being to a conscious one. It is further stated that woman saved humanity through the perceived selflessness of nurturing and therefore cultivated the necessary conditions for the species to develop a nervous system.

    It is argued that because the nervous system has the ability to retain memory then our species were no longer restricted by acting on instincts but were now acting on cause and effect. In short we went from instinctive beings to conscious researchers of our habitat to question how and why things happen. http://www.worldtransformation.com/ASpeciesInDenial/ASpeciesInDenial_USLet.pdf
    http://www.worldtransformation.com/IntroductoryVideo/

    @ smooth chocolate | May 1, 2011 at 1:51 PM |
    Salutations
    Your argument is unbalance with the example you used, yet understandable.
    Perhaps what could’ve been said is the Native Sharman saw something in a distance but had no means of recognising what it was so the brain rendered it insignificant until it was nearer the shore.
    However, with your example, on seeing a double decker bus you would still observe some similarities from the SCHEMAS (chunks of organised representational memory of previous experiences) of the ZR such as that it is metal, it moves and have tires etc,

    The Natives situation was uncharted waters (excuse the pun) because they had no accurate SCHEMA (“never seen large galleons before”) to represent what was being experienced so had to rely upon the closes that was available. hence sea monsters and Gods with shiny metal armour.

    So the claim of being ridiculous and the reference to “jackass” was too harsh a rejection for what was being attempted to be explained.
    Love and light to you always.

    @ Terence M. Blackett | May 1, 2011 at 3:12 PM |
    Pink Bat
    Hmmm
    Some well documented nuggets there, thank you for sharing,
    I also likely prefer Think Bat -think and then bat.
    So many of us Bat without/before Thinking.
    One guy said “WITHOUT the problem how are you going to live the solution”
    Priceless!!
    He’s Batting before Thinking perhaps?
    But many problems of this world are no accidents. And as for solutions, many gifted intellectuals have died trying to reveal theirs to the world.
    Clean Air, non pollution cars, free energy, lasting health, and abundant food have all been laden with their fair share of solutions.
    What has been lacking is the capitalist will to let them be….
    So Pink Bat is old Hat!

    Zoe | May 1, 2011 at 6:43 PM |
    Salutations
    Pysicalism is Denialism

    We must embrace all things yet discern them for what their ARE for it strengthens knowing what they are NOT!

    @ac | May 1, 2011 at 7:20 PM |
    Salutations
    That is so true, but what is…..
    Rabbit hole Time….Oxygen tanks ready!!

    The Indoctrination Habit Principle =
    Freedom
    + or – Definition = ———-
    Enslavement

    @ Rod Ohlsson | May 2, 2011 at 11:47 AM |
    Salutations
    Ha Ha
    TRUTH is TIMELESS, The problem is most of us never want to take the time to find it!

    @ David | May 2, 2011 at 11:55 AM |
    Salutations
    That is profoundly True!

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmNopAo0PRc&w=640&h=390]
    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfN-7HczmOU&w=640&h=390]

    “The fact that you haven’t got a date on a Saturday night”. lol
    Now that’s as real as it gets!

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcEczjqvQYE&w=640&h=390]
    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KVwHTyo-Sk&w=640&h=390]
    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcxDAJ8eU3w&w=640&h=390]
    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzwTlf73xsk&w=640&h=390]

    @ smooth chocolate | May 5, 2011 at 7:13 AM |
    Gosh…..
    Love and light to you always

    Take care of yourself and each other!


  9. @ TECHIE*

    You amaze me! Did I compare my wife to Christ? Oh DEAR!!! If you read the statement and clearly you did NOT* – there was no comparison rather a JUXTAPOSITION*… But then, you are vertically & Biblically-challenged in these matters – for if you weren’t you would know what EPHESIANS * chapter 5 verses 21 – 33 says… More importantly, as HUSBANDS* we are commanded – “TO LOVE OUR WIVES AS CHRIST* LOVES THE CHURCH AND GAVE HIMSELF FOR IT”…

    Christ Himself is the ONE* who draw a line of PARALLEL between the RELATIONSHIP* between a man and his wife, and CHRIST* and the CHURCH* which is HIS BODY!!!

    So come on Techie… stop acting like a child in the playground who can’t have his own way!!!

    I appreciate your candor as always but again the things you are positing are meaningless and inconsequential to me at this time…

    You are FREELY* entitled to your position as is ZOE*…

    What you haven’t recognized is the fact that in a world of MORAL , RELIGIOUS & SPIRITUAL RELATIVISM* any position can be (as you termed it) [DEBUNKED]… men are still trying to DEBUNK* THE CREATOR* GOD!!! LOL…

    But does that change ANYTHING really?

    People go on as normal regardless of what is being espoused or said or done…

    What I worry about are those people whose positions are irreducibly or in most cases (HERMETICALLY) sealed from the probing brush of criticism, scrutiny or evaluation… Those positions are eternally DANGEROUS!!!

    So my final word to you dear one is that you are FREE* to call it the way you see it, however, it cannot alter, change or affect my position in the slightest degree given that I do not have to answer to frail, vitreous, and diaphanous human beings who are frankly nothing more than a puff of smoke – but to JESUS CHRIST* HIMSELF who holds the lives of all men in HIS* Wonderful Hands!!!

    And based on that, I treat ZOE, GP, & the CREW* with the same RESPECT* that I would treat my own LOVED ONES* (WIFEY* BEING THE FIRST PRINCIPLE)…

    But then that is a lofty principle for which you have problems attaining to sadly…

    So I will not ask you to jump the BAR* lest it be raised out of all proportions and consequently present an unfair advantage!!!

    LOL!!!!

    And YES* dear one – BLESSED SABBATH to you!!!

    LOL!!!


  10. @ Myturn2speak

    A LOT THERE TO COGITATE, REGURGITATE & CONFABULATE ON…

    Regrettably, the looming hours of the SABBATH DAY* approaches and as such I must decline (though eager) to response to what you have posted…

    I will leave you with a word of SCRIPTURE* from MATT. 10: 26 – 42 (ERV) quoting the latter verses:

    Any person that loves his father or mother more than he loves me is not good enough to follow me.

    Any person who loves his son or daughter more than he loves me is not good enough to follow me.

    If a person will not accept the cross (suffering) that will be given to him when he follows me, then that person is not good enough for me.

    Any person that loves his life {more than he loves me} will lose true life.

    Any person that gives up his life for me will find true life.

    The person that accepts you also accepts me. And the person that accepts me also accepts the One (God) that sent me.

    Any person that meets a prophet and accepts him will get the same reward a prophet gets.

    And any person that accepts a good man because that man is good will get the same reward a good man gets.

    If any person helps one of these little ones because they are my followers, then that person will truly get his reward.

    That person will get his reward even if he only gave my follower a cup of cold water.

    Be blessed & be inspired!!!


  11. Tuth by defintion IS ABSOLUTE.

    Those caught in the labyrinth, maze, knot, morass, of this Satanically inspired Quantonics and mired SWAMP, quagmire of the Occultic, orphic PIT of meandering DECEPTION, as propagated by one Renselle, have fallen for yet, another of the multitude of LIES, fostered on those, who have NO criterion for any critical judgment on DECEPTION, by none other than the FATHER* of all LIES, the arch-deceiver himself SATAN!

    One of Satan’s trump cards, IS convincing people that he* does not exist.

    Our natural world all arounf us IS* filled with ABSOLUTES* that simply cannot be denied; this is a direct reflection of Our Eternal, Omnipotent Creator, Almighty God, WHO IS ABSOLUTE, and DOES NOT CHANGE, as there is NO variableness nor changing in Him, and His absolute TRUTH.

    That TRUTH is absolute, and does NOT change, IS the ultimate certitude; regardless of who ever denies this REALITY; Truth does not need anyone’s approval or acceptance, to be Truth. Reality IS synonymous with TRUTH; and Truth is unyielding, one can choose to ignore it, scorn it, or even curse it, but all to no avail; in the end Truth stands its ground impassively, in the face of the most overpowering emotional, verbal, and pseudo-intellectual onslaughts.

    Truth, can be especially brutal to those who insist on worshipping at the Alter of Theory. This IS, because Truth has a way of frustrating theory, and, much like the mongose circling a snake, ultimately wearing it down, and devouring it.

    Man cannot invent Truth; Almighty God, our Creator, Is the Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent, Immutable, Eternal source of ALL TRUTH. He allows us to discover Truth, which IS unchanging.

    That’s why The Lord Jesus Christ, WHO IS, the Eternal Personification of ALL TRUTH, could declare:

    “I AM THE* WAY, (not one of many ways) THE* TRUTH, (not one of may truths) and THE* LIFE*, No one comes to THE* Father, except through ME.” (John 14:6 Emphasis added)

    So it be!


  12. @ TB…..

    So come on Techie… stop acting like a child in the playground who can’t have his own way!!!

    ….and pray tell….what would that way be?


  13. 😀

    Now, now play nicely.


  14. Some of you ignore Aquinas’ contribution to Christianity’s logic and language but Aquinas faithfully follows Aristotle’s syllogisms. it is thus small wonder that classical physics is compatible with christian thought as Newton shares this same Aristotelian foundation.

    @Zoe

    “That TRUTH is absolute, and does NOT change, IS the ultimate certitude; regardless of who ever denies this REALITY;”

    That very statement denies most of reality, and places you rigidly in a “reality” defined by classical limitations. Unfortunately you are stuck in a Subject/Object metaphysics. An incredibly efficient and potent thought prison…..good luck getting out. Tell me again how do you know that Truth does not change???

  15. The man wiv no name!! Avatar
    The man wiv no name!!

    The scientific basis is in John 2:16. sic “for god (the scientist) so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, so whoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life”! What more scientific proof could you need dan that!


  16. @ the Troll…

    Ammmmm……don’t you mean John 3 (three): Chapter 16 (sixteen)?

    Why don’t you leave this to the people with a brain??
    Go back under London Bridge until summoned!!!
    Clown!!

  17. The man wiv no name!! Avatar
    The man wiv no name!!

    I meant to say John 3: 16. Haven’t u heard of a typo – IDIOT!!


  18. LOL……

    Yes I have……I was also taught to re-read what I wrote before handing it in, in this case before I hit the Post Comment tab……IDIOT!! 🙂

  19. The man wiv no name!! Avatar
    The man wiv no name!!

    you’re SUCH an idiot. if i wus to count the no. of typos n other errors i c on this site, even from ur friend Dave. Steupse! look, guh long, do!


  20. The Old and New Testament terms for TRUTH, are, respectively, ’emet’ and ‘alethia.’ The meaning of these terms and, more generally, are broad and multifaceted; such as fidelity, moral rectitude, being real, being genuine, faithfulness, having veracity, being complete. Two distinct aspects of the Biblical, God-given reality of TRUTH, are, primarily, faithfulness, and conformity to fact, evidence, confirming the varacity of the propostions of HIS Truth claims!

    This obviously involves a ‘correspondenc’ theory of Truth, essentially, that, Truth obtains, when reality IS the way a proposition represents it to be.

    In God’s Word, the Bible, we find hundreds of passages that explicitly* ascribe TRUTH propositions (assertions and so forth) in a correspondence sense. Thus Almighty God says:

    “I the LORD speak the TRUTH, I declare what is right” ( Isa. 45:19). Proverbs says: “For My mouth will utter TRUTH,” and Proverbs 14:25 proclaims, “A truthful witness saves lives, but one who utters LIES is a betrayer.” In John 8:44-45, Jesus says that the Devil is a LIAR and deceiver who CANNOT stand the TRUTH, but that HE, Jesus speaks the TRUTH. In John 17:17 Jesus affirms that the WORD OF GOD is TRUTH, and in John 10:35, He, Jesus, assures us that it, (God’s Word) CANNOT be broken ( i.e., assert a falsehood).

    Secondly, numerous passages explicity contrast TRUE propositions with FALSEHOODS. Thus in Romans 1:25, we are told that “they exchanged the TRUTH about God for a LIE.” Repeatedly, the Old Testament warns against FALSE prophets whose words do NOT correspond to reality, and the ninth commandment warns against those bearing FALSE testimony, this is, testimony that FAILS to correspond to what actually happened ( Ex.20:16)

    Clearly, then, God’s Word, the Scripture regularly presupposes some form of ‘correspondence’ theory of truth, and, indeed, this is both the commonsense* view and the classic position embraced by virtually all philosophers until the ninteenth century.

    It is patently obvious, that even before one comes to philosophy, one already has a COMMONSENSE* notion of what truth is, as in every day life, some form of ‘correspondence’ invariably captures both commonsense intuitions* and Biblical teaching, from God’s Word, regarding what truth, IS!

    A ‘truth condition’ is a description of what constitutes the truth of a claim. Therefore, a truth condition is ‘ontological’ and it is associated with what Truth itself IS. Thus, Criteria for truth, consist in epistemological test, for deciding or justifying what claims are TRUE or FALSE.

    Further, this nonsense of being ‘trapped’ in some Thomas syllogistic concept, is so stupid, and fails utterly to understand that Aristotle did NOT create or invent the three fundamental laws of Logic associated with the absolutist position, NO! NO! NO!, these laws of Logic, are in themselves ‘ABSOLUTES’ because they are from Almighty God, who allowed Aristotle to discover them, and are cross-cultural, applying to ALL men, eveywhere, ALL the time, and the assertion that they are “Western logic’ and are culturally relative, IS hogwash, pure and simple!

    Yes, Thomas used a literary style in which his prose explicitly follows strict logical form and syllogistic presentation. By contrast, an isolated culture in the mountains of Brazil may use a poetic form of oral tradition, their sentences may not follow an explicit, tidy, subject-predicate form, and they may reach tribal conclusions in ways quite foreign to Western culture. BUT NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DEEP LOGICAL STRUCTURE that UNDERLIES THEIR CLAIMS, or WITH THE CONFORMANCE of their individual assertions to the THREE LAWS OF LOGIC, and IT IS simply a mistake to think otherwise.

    I invite you, ‘AOG’ to present any DECLARATIVE UTTERANCE in ANY CULTURE, including the assertion that ‘Western Logic’ is culturally relative, that does NOT conform to Aristotle’s three laws of logic. Any such assertion, to the degree that it is meaningful or asserted as TRUE or FALSE, will CONFORM to the three laws of logic. Any alledged counterexamples will either be SELF-REFUTING, or meaningless. After all, Aristotle did NOT invent these laws any more than Columbus invented the New World. Aristotle may have been a western thinker, and he may have discovered these laws, but that does not imply that these laws themselves are Western constructions.

    BTW, when I use Caps Lock, I am not shouting at any one, I simply use it for emphasis and augmentation!


  21. Reason IS necessary, for revelation, (i.e., facts, evidence) to be coherent.

    Therefore, the structure of JUSTIFICATION* warranted, credible, TRUTH, IS coherence* as, coherence IS our sole criteria for TRUTH!

    1.Logical absolutes are conceptual by nature, not physical.
    2. logical absolutes are NOT dependent upon human minds.
    3. Logical absolutes transcend space and time.

    Because, they ARE from Almighty God, who transcends space and time, and has allowed and given us these ABSOLUTES, by revelation, so that we CAN, coherently know what His Truth IS!

    Therefore, there IS a transcendent and ABSOLUTE mind, that authored these logical absolutes.

    Thus, because Reason* the ability to think critically, objectively, IS necessary for Revelation, (knowledge, facts, evidence) to be Coherent, it follows, that WITHOUT these ‘laws of logic’ no rational though would be possible. To reject these basic laws, one would have to utilze these very laws to reject them, thereby refuting one’s own argument. As G.K. Chesterton writes:

    “The man who bigins to think WITHOUT proper first principles goes MAD; he begins to think at the wrong end.”

    No wonder ‘AOG’ that you aptly say, that such thinkers end up, or are INSANE! (Lol!)

    Or, as Gordon Clark says: “Anyone who disparages or belittles logic, must use logic in his attack, thus undercutting his own argument.”

    The Historic Judeo/Christian Worldview.

    This world view, essentially contains claims about REALITY, which are either TRUE or FALSE.

    Therefore, any World view, must be subjected to, and must sustain (3) test in order to be considered valid.

    1. Logical Consistency
    2. Empirical Adequacy
    3. Experiential Relevancy.

    The only religious World View, across comparative difficulties, premised on warranted, credible, FACTS and EVIDENCE, that meet and sustain ALL three of these test, IS, the Historic, Juedo/Christian World view.

    Secondly, and intrically connected to the above criteria for validity, every system MUST also demonstrate and deal with the following questions:

    1. Origin
    2. Meaning
    3. Morality
    4. Destiny

    Again, the theistic Christian World view, is the ONLY one that convincingly demonstrate, and sustain, to, the above questions, unparalled with any other religious, or secular world view.

    Coherence IS found throughout God’s Word, the Bible, from beginning, Genesis, to the end, the book of Revelation!

    Therefore, it is imperative, that assessing ‘Worldviews’ bears out the utterly fundamental grounding of LOGIC, for thinking critically, objectively, coherently, about TRUTH and world views. These logica laws, point us toward TRUTH!

    They are PRESCRIPTIVE, not descriptive, that would be psychology, not logic!


  22. What is “TRUTH”
    Truth is the way one preceive or discerne events. Just like a movie people see the same scene but comes away with differening conclusion .Is it what one eyes sees or isi t what your brain decipher that makes what you are seeing or telling as the truth. Then if any of the above is connected to what a person say or do then how can a person be called a Liar when in reality there are a mirage of variables that form our thinking


  23. @ac…

    Let A == B.

    Let B == C.
    Does then A == C?

    A simple question.


  24. @CH
    Well if i give the anwer you might not believe me and finding the truth and telling the truth isn’t always that easy . Case and point your above comment
    Sigh!


  25. @ac: “Well if i give the anwer you might not believe me and finding the truth and telling the truth isn’t always that easy

    You’re kidding? Right?

    @ac: “Case and point your above comment[….] sigh!

    Indeed… Sigh…

    That was the most basic of the maths.

    To answer the question you couldn’t (or at least, didn’t) answer is that yes, indeed, “A” does indeed equal “C”.


  26. @CH
    Truthfully speaking your response was predictable. Like I said you wouldn’t believe me and you didn’t as i was trying ny honest best to be truthful in responding to your pop quiz. Basically speaking I did enjoy looking into your minds eye and getting a birds eye view of the way in which you suppose to know what aperson know or doesn’t know! and by all counts you are wrong.


  27. @ac: “Like I said you wouldn’t believe me and you didn’t as i was trying ny honest best to be truthful in responding to your pop quiz.

    By not answering?

    Any student should know that if A == B, and B ==C, then C == A.

    Perhaps you’re teaching the Students the (Modern) Golden Rule…

    Never answer a question….


  28. ac | May 9, 2011 at 6:38 PM |

    What is “TRUTH”
    Truth is the way one perceive or discern events. Just like a movie people see the same scene but comes away with differing conclusion .Is it what one eyes sees or is t what your brain decipher that makes what you are seeing or telling as the truth. Then if any of the above is connected to what a person say or do then how can a person be called a Liar when in reality there are a mirage of variables that form our thinking.

    Interesting………

    Then how, by using the above argument, can someone be labeled a “conspiracy theorist”?
    You just have to love BU…… 😉


  29. Sometimes we confuse fact and truth as one and the same.


  30. @David: “Sometimes we confuse fact and truth as one and the same.

    Ah, yeah, nay…

    Some of us can tell the difference.

    Nominally they converge….


  31. Techie
    My above comment was an opinion and not an argument. Notice I did not attempt to draw or opine on others point of view relatively speaking. However the conspiracy theorist are always hell bent on rewriting the movieand changing the cast of characters

    @ CH
    O.k CH. I thought i did answer you . I for sure did not ignore you. But then again you did not appreciate my answer > I guess it was not the response you expected. The Truth is so hard to digest !


  32. @ac: “I thought i did answer you .

    Ah… No…

    Please give the URL for where you answered me.

    @ac: “I for sure did not ignore you.

    No, you didn’t ignore me. But then, neither did you answer me.

    SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) for you and yours….


  33. Sometimes we confuse fact and truth as the same time

    Then when a person says”God created the world” Is it a fact or is the truth.


  34. Zoe et al,

    Note one thing…the ‘physical’ as described, is but one aspect of the physical, the universal physical being energy, thus physical does not need to be seen or touched to exist.

    Further, therefore, the spiritual is everything but the universal physical, but I would not say that the relationship is causal, surely the relationship is deliberate and defined, there are things which I have experienced, which I would put beyond both the ‘traditional’ physical and even beyond the ‘universal’ physical.

    Therefore, in our physical beings, we can experience the spiritual, the link is defined, certain.

    This is what must by inference, be examined, such that we can only experience that which we know, but experiencing something, whcih we were unaware of, yet directly experience,in of itself means that it exists, even if not of ‘either’ physical manifestation.

    Does that make sense?


  35. @ac

    The statement is true and a fact for those who believe* in God.

    It would not be true for an atheist as an example.


  36. @AC

    One othe most interesting parts of your article is about Time.
    “Where does “TIME” goes ? does it go backward or forward ” and can we alter time.
    *******************
    Well the Samoans certainly will try, their clocks will be going forward 24 hours to the west side of the International dateline to be on the same day as Australia and China, this reverses a decision made 119 years ago when they switched to be on the same day as the USA.

    This will come into effect Dec.30, so officially they won’t have an Old Years Day or New Years Eve (as they call it in North America) in 2011.

    In 1752 The Brits adopted the Gregorian calendar and lost 11 days, which grew to 13 days by the time the Eastern Europe adopted it in the 20th century. Today many Eastern religions till follow the Julian calendar and celebrate Xmas on Jan. 6.

    Then there is the “Moken” a tribe of sea gypsies who live in the Andaman Sea who have no concept of time, they don’t have words for “When”; “Hello” or “Goodbye” and don’t know how old they are (insert sexist joke here):-).

    The only reason for time is so that everything doesn’t happen at once (Albert Einstein)

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/09/samoa-plans-to-move-clocks-24-hours


  37. @ Saregeant
    Good try! but all the Somoans are doing ismodifying their calender time. Real time is infinite.and and that moment as is can’t not be reversed or alter.

    David isn’t TRUTH the moral compass that guide and define our lives. SO then why only a few would be afforded such Truth. while others reject said theories. Shouldn’t Truth be Universal and readily accepted by all.


  38. @Zoe

    “Any such assertion, to the degree that it is meaningful or asserted as TRUE or FALSE, will CONFORM to the three laws of logic.”

    Exactly correct!!!!! as long as you use a truth context with only 2 options True or False possible then his three syllogisms will hold. Which is why the syllogisms work so well for classical objects, it follows that since the vast majority of physical reality is experience at a scale where classical physics holds “true” that…this logic is very practical and useful for “everyday” life. But if you are venturing into deeper reality, you will learn of phenomenon where classical subject/object reality does not hold true, those three syllogisms are useless… and it’s mathematics are useless as well. In a pursuit of understanding reality at quantum scale, quantum logic and language are mind tools required.

    With mastery of quantum logic, it can be scaled to classical “objects”, but classical logic does not reduce to quantum scale.

    As for those early quantum thinkers, a steadfast adherence to classical language and the cognitive dissonance between that and a larger reality intuited by quantum logic/perceptions…..is a major agent of their “insanity”.


  39. @Zoe

    “Reality issi actuality~non-actuality”

    Above statement is a truth of quantum logic.

    Actuality is all that adherents to classical logic can understand.
    Then in their arrogance, they declare non-actuality as not real. It is similar to asserting what is not perceived is not real. Still in a BOX! As your classical perception of reality is a “subset” of my quantum perception of reality. As long as you have only classical language and logic tools… physical reality is all there is that is consistent. All else is paradox.


  40. @ AOD,

    That there IS* two distinct realities* IS* the God-given propostion of GOOD* and EVIL*, Righteousness* and Unrighteousness* throughout HIS* divinely inspired WORD*, the Bible; confirmed over and over again, throughout history, RIGHT* vs WRONG*, GOOD vs BAD, LOVE vs HATE, etc, etc.,

    Therefore, to venture into this SATANIC arena of so-called “deeper reality” necessarily, as the father of all LIES* deems it, there is no TRUE or FALSE, because it IS* all diabolical DECEIT, the art or practice of imposing upon the credulity of others, by DISHONESTY* FRAUD* DISSEMBLANCE* DUPLICITY and GUILE, the Devil’s LIES!

    Satan, then, uses these deluded, pseudo-intellectuals like Renselle et al, who are MAD* insane, to propogate that there is a reality beyond what Almighty God, our Creator has given us, ascertained by HIS unchanging laws of classical LOGIC, which CANNOT fail, in their conclusion of what IS* TRUE and what is FALSE, for us in this, HIS* God-given REALITY!


  41. The realm of ‘spiritual’ reality IS real, and has a direct influence upon each and everyone of us, either FROM, our Creator, Almighty God, in the Person of His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, OR, the god* of this world system, SATAN!

    We are either being controlled by One, Almighty God, or the other, the devious, wicked, EVIL forces of spiritual DARKNESS, whose subtle agenda, IS* to couch, veneer, and convolute, its LIES, DECEPTION, in what appears to be plausible, ever-learning, higher, so-called “deeper reality” it IS NOT, deeper reality, it IS* from the PIT-OF-HELL!


  42. @ AOD, Is it not TRUE, that in Quantum Physics, before a neutron can decay, it must be outside an Atomic Nucleus?

    Therefore, it faces the TRUE/FALSE constraints! Does it not?!

    Also, it is not also logical, that without proper* logic and math holding, the math of quantum physics CANNOT* be constructed?

    TRUE or FALSE!!!

    AOD, in your wilfully choosen arrogance, you have become ignorant quantumly!!!

    And, to those who fail to understand the Christians perspective on things are most certainly not, in essence, on the ‘physical’ as the Word of God reminds us:

    “For our light affliction , which IS* but for a moment, IS* working out for us a far more EXCEEDING and ETERNAL* weight of glory.
    While we do NOT look at the things which are SEEN, but at the things which ARE NOT SEEN. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are NOT seen are* ETERNAL.”
    (2 Cor. 4: 17-18 Emphasis added)

    BTW, AOD, there IS* also in eternity, a place of Eternal Misery and Everlasting Torment for those who reject God’s Love, Mercy, and Grace, in Christ Jesus!


  43. TRUTH is define by “Proof” “Logic” and vision.That is an absolute given.However when one says”There is a GOD” is that the Truth”since three of the components which defines “Truth” is missing!Isn’t it a belief instead of “TRUTH”


  44. @ ac…..

    Behave….. 😉


  45. @ac: “TRUTH is define by “Proof” “Logic” and vision.

    To resonate with you, may I state a fact and then ask a question?

    When clapping the hands, a sound is heard.

    What is the sound made by one hand?


  46. But then….CH…..if it is ‘one’ hand……then the act of ‘clapping’ is impossible……..no? 😉

    Maybe you should ask what sound is produced by waving…….. 🙂


  47. @Techy: “Maybe you should ask what sound is produced by waving…

    Well done Techy… The Monks will be proud.

    But, then, who is the target of the waving?

    Nature abhors a vacuum.

    And a positive needs a negative to be actuated.

    No?


  48. @CH
    What is the purposeof your comment If your point is that clapping with one hand cannot produce a sound you arewrong . A clapping sound can be made by using one hand and tapping it against another area of the bod y. BTWthunder does have the sound of clapping and it does not have hands. Like I said “Proof! Logic and vision


  49. @ac: “If your point is that clapping with one hand cannot produce a sound you arewrong. A clapping sound can be made by using one hand and tapping it against another area of the bod y.

    You fail to understand the lesson, Grasshopper…

    One hand can indeed make a clapping sound.

    But it must strike *something*….


  50. CH….

    You would make a good grave digger! 😉

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