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Update~The Other Side Of The Kingsland Estate Court Matter Part XIII

Submitted by BWWR I am attaching the Notice of Motion returnable December 2, 2008 and the decision in respect of that Motion. Out of deference to the Ontario Court, I refrain from comment. However, my lack of commentary (that is very likely to be a one-off) is my choice and not something that any foreign…

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Submitted by BWWR

updateI am attaching the Notice of Motion returnable December 2, 2008 and the decision in respect of that Motion. Out of deference to the Ontario Court, I refrain from comment. However, my lack of commentary (that is very likely to be a one-off) is my choice and not something that any foreign court can require of me, a Bajan resident in Barbados whose country is being sued. That I apprise my fellow Bajans of the course of this action against our homeland is my right as a Bajan, as indeed it is the right and due and responsibility of every Bajan to know what is taking place – and as we all know, forget about hearing it from the press. It is our tax dollars and foreign exchange currency that are going to pay the fees of lawyers in Canada and we have a right to know what is going on.

By the way, has the BU family noticed that Barbados Free Press has put in a cartoon of Sir David Simmons and the PM that suggests that the PM is playing along with Sir David and arranging to close down Graeme Hall at Sir David’s behest? Does anyone recall a fairly recent article from supposedly unimpeachable sourced on BFP – (September 21, 2008 Good Sources: Barbados Chief Justice To Be Fired… er, “Will Ask To Retire).

I see that BFP has even managed to obtain an interview with Almighty Allard for its latest Graeme Hall dirge to which this silly cartoon relates. However, one has to reflect that when the real Almighty (as opposed to this cheap, tawdry fake) spoke to Moses, he did so from a burning bush on the top of a mountain. It is (one has to assume) supposed to mirror/imitate and be an indication of great favour that Almighty Allard managed to tear himself away from his contemplation of the indigenous animal activity and speak to his prophets (Keltruth and BFP) from the bushes at Long Beach – without fire, of course – poor little Pete has not yet mastered the art of a fire that does not burn.

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79 responses to “Update~The Other Side Of The Kingsland Estate Court Matter Part XIII”

  1. BWWR Avatar
    BWWR

    I see that we are also accusede, Pat, of having prejudiced the safety of certain ex-patriots living in Barbados by revealing their addresses. I am assuming Keltruth is referring to Almighty Allard. If you look above, you will find as link to a letter in PDF format posted on the web by Peter Allard on the letterhead of which he gives his full address, telephone number and e-mail address. It is a letter to the Prime Minister of Barbados in which Mr Allard vaguely expresses his disappointment in Barbados and its people. The only solid information it gives is, in fact, Mr Allard’s address etc. He does not state what he is after to keep Graeme Hall going – he merely expresses his directions and disappoitment. Poor little Petey.

    But you know what is going on? What you want to bet the Keltruth article finds its way into an affidavit (but without their filing anything to show that they themselves posted their personal information, complaining to the Ontario Courts? Just wait for it.

  2. BWWR Avatar
    BWWR

    Forgive me, but I am a little slow this morning. Couldn’t sleep and got up early. Keltruth has accused Pat and myself and Public of endangering the Knox family. Let us examine this claim.

    If Pat or myself were to make accusations of the type that are made against Barbados against Ontario or Canada, we could each expect to have the press corps camped out on our doorsteps trying to get everything they could about the case and about us personally. To quote our friend Loveridge and also the other one, Nostradamus, remind me just why the Knox family and Allard think they have the right to be different? Frankly it escapes me and if someone would like to point out to me what I am missing, other than their self-perceived divinity, I would really like to be instructed.

    If you bring a case like this and YOURSELVES post your addresses and telephone numbers, then you must expect people to observe you.

    What Keltruth imputes is that Knox and Allard are in danger and that Pat and I have called for that. We have not. On the contrary – we have called for them and their property to be protected and their rights vigilantly observed under the law. I have no truck with violence or intimidation of any kind and I am very sure I can speak for Pat on that too. However, if you sue a whole country and its people and if you set up two blogs whose overriding purpose is to denigrate that country and its people, you are not entitled to expect that the press and people of that country are not going to take a very personal interest in you.

    I think the Knox family and Loveridge and Allard are disappointed BECAUSE no one has breached their rights under the law – like they might do in less safe environments like red-neck Orillia. They are complaining through Keltruth simply because they have NOTHING to complain of – so they may try to manufacture something like they did with the much bruited blog about Mental Madge – and we, the Bajan public, will be there to ensure that when they try to harm themselves, they fail.

  3. Avatar
    Anonymous

    All I see is BWWR panicking. If he (and he is a “he”) or anyone else is stupid enough to harass private citizens going about their lawful business, may they get a couple of rotweilers up their royal backsides.

  4. passin thru Avatar
    passin thru

    David, this is terrible that you are allowing your blog to be used to identify the home and vacation addresses of people that already have been threatened with rape, murder etc.

    Not only identify the addresses, but you allow people to exhort others to stalk them at their homes and vacation residence.

    Is this the Barbados we want to show the world? Is this the type of nonsense that defines our country?

    Please rethink your position.

  5. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Hear, hear “Passin’ Through”. If these people are as confident as they sound, would they be advocating this kind of activity?

  6. BWWR Avatar
    BWWR

    It is not panic you sense, but OUTRAGE! I have just been able to read the Factum of the defendants and believe me if I had permission to post it to BU now, I would. However, I must defer to the condition that it not be posted yet, otherwise I will not be able to get any other documents from my source.

    However, trust me for this, in the days to come I will get the go ahead and then I will immediately post the Factum. And if you think the odium and contempt with which Mental Madge, Insane Jane and especially that jackass John Knox and Almighty Allard are held at the moment are anything, just wait till you all read this document.

    Stand by, David. I am going to be giving you the ultimate story on this series. As soon as I get permission.

  7. Avatar
    Anonymous

    To BWWR

    What exactly have these people done to cause you to despise them so?

  8. BWWR Avatar
    BWWR

    Anonymous // December 8, 2008 at 1:15 pm. Sued my country, idiot, sued my country.

  9. Avatar
    Anonymous

    To BWWR

    Who sued your country?

  10. David Avatar
    David

    We have tried to be middle of the road in this matter.
    We are on record as as expressing sympathy for the old lady in the pasture of her years while at the same time annoyed that the court case continues to soak up resources that can be given to charity or even the poor BU household who can find good avenues to spend it.
    We have reread the comments posted by Pat, Public and BWWR aka moe and verified that the personal information was already in the public domain.
    We also have read the comments beseeching Barbadians to look out for members of the plaintiff in light of information filed in earlier affidavit which listed Barbados as an unsafe jurisdiction for them.
    All in all we understand the political machinations being engaged on both sides and see no reason to delete comments at this stage. We take this opportunity to urge both sides in the spirit of the season to relax.

  11. Pat Avatar
    Pat

    David,

    Thanks. That shows that you are rational and objective as I have always credited you.

    BWWR,

    I guess things are worse in the Plaintiffs camp than we had supposed. I guess not being able to lay their hands on those tapes and use them dishonestly, has them hopping. What a pity!

    On another thing, I wonder if they would be so foolish to go and file more comments from anonymous blogs in the Canadian or other courts after the chastising they got from the Honourable Judge Shaughnessy?

    Passing thru,

    Just go to BFP and you will see what defines “our country”. Denigration of our political, judicial and policing systems. Castigation of our leading citizens and more. Then, come back and give us your opinion. Right now n0 one is listening to you. cheupse

    Keltruth,

    I know all the bayhouses at Cattlewash, from “Bella Vista” to “Box-by-Box”. I used to know all the owners too, and those who rented. People at Cattlewash like to gossip. All one has to do, is ask anyone which house the Goddards are at. Friends of our family own Sandy Crest. The aunt of a friend owns “In-and-Out”, and on and on and on. You new comers to Cattlewash have nothing on me.

    If you want to sue me, go right ahead:
    Pat the old hen @ Barbados Underground Blog. lol!

  12. JC Avatar
    JC

    Pat ya tooo sweet lol!

  13. BWWR Avatar
    BWWR

    Pat you are a delight. Most of us old girls, as we get older, we get worn down and tired and conform. Not you and me. They know who you are, but me they don’t, so they say I am a man simply because I, like you, insist on the same advantages as a man. In some quarters this is called “thinking like a man”. I think like myself – an old woman who owes no one anything and who REFUSES to believe that any man is my superior – equal, yes…superior, forget it. That, dipstick Anonymous // December 8, 2008 at 11:42 am, does not make me a man. It makes me a woman who can stand up to any man. Like Pat.

    David, I will be away over Christmas staying with family overseas. However, the magic of the Internet is such that I will be checking in from time to time and as soon as I get the go ahead, I will send you – WITHOUT COMMENTARY – the document I promised.

    Oh, by the way, can anyone check for me and find out which members of the Deane/Knox families keep Rotweilers? And remember that Rotweilers can be put down and their owners criminally charged if they incite the dogs to violence – maybe even given the chance to view first hand the prison facility at Dodds about which the Knox family and Charles Deane are so excited. But I pity the poor dogs having to put up and be reared and trained by some redneck (probably red man/woman) like Anonymous.

    Peace.

  14. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Does this mean that every person involved in this matter may have their personal family information aired on a blog?

    I hope not.

  15. BWWR Avatar
    BWWR

    If they themselves provide the information on the blogs, they have no one but themselves to blame. So the answer, Anonymous // December 9, 2008 at 9:44 am, is don’t put your personal details on the web. Simple enough?

  16. Pat Avatar
    Pat

    @BWWR,

    They know who I am and still wasting their time blowing bubbles? In the air? Then they really dont know me.

    I was checking the internet cafes in Jamaica, fairly expensive, but I will try and check BU while I am there. The place I am staying at in Port Antonio has the internet available to guests. I am not too sure about Ochi.

    However, I am not leaving until the 21st, so you may get the stuff up before then. I will post comments as necessary. Feel free to tell me where I am wrong, etc. No problem.

    I cant discern whey they are so intent on finding out who you are. Why dont they just tell themselves that you were the head cook at Kinglsland, or some such and be done with it.

    Hey, it just dawned on me, maybe they want to add us to the list of defendants. lol!

  17. BWWR Avatar
    BWWR

    I agree, Pat.

    Keltruth and others, I was the head cook at Kingsland. Happy now?

  18. tourist Avatar
    tourist

    I was planning on bringing my family to Barbados on holiday this year. Everytime I type Barbados into google to search Keltruth and BFP come up. My wife won’t allow me to bring my family over because of it. Can you post somthing to assure her it is safe their.

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  20. Pat Avatar
    Pat

    @ Anonymous
    @ Passin thru

    Would the two of you like to reassure the tourist above whether it is safe to bring their family to Barbados or not.

    Can you, at least, start to repair the damage done to Barbados’s reputation by the two blogs mentioned in the tourist’s post.

    The WORLD is waiting and watching.

    How many more tourists have been turned away because of the hateful postings which, it seems to me, you both support.

  21. Sargeant Avatar
    Sargeant

    • Pat
    •
    • Would the two of you like to reassure the tourist above whether it is safe to bring their family to Barbados or not.
    **************************************
    Guess what? I typed Barbados into Google and BFP and Keltruth didn’t come up but I didn’t go out of my way to locate them, nor for that matter BU. As a matter of fact the first site that came up was the official site of The Barbados Tourism Authority which was followed by other official sites all showcasing Barbados. The anonymous nature of blogs ensures that anyone with ulterior motives can post misleading information to support a particular viewpoint. What damage to Barbados’ reputation? If blowing the whistle on government corruption and ineptitude damages Barbados’ reputation I say bring it on. Tell the faux “Tourist” to take his wife to Mexico or Colombia two tourist paradises with pristine reputations.

  22. tourist Avatar
    tourist

    Sargeant try it outside of barbados you liar. Actually lets let the public try

  23. Kathy Avatar
    Kathy

    Tourist,
    Why don’t you reread the above posts from BWWR, Public and Pat, advocating stalking, and then decide for yourself if Barbados is safe. The above posts don’t make Barbados look great, but if it’s any consolation, “they” are white male(s) living outside Barbados anyway. Their misinformation about addresses shows that they have not visited the area for a very long time. BTW, I was extremely well acquainted with both cooks at Kingsland, and I can vouch that their favourite members of the Deane family were all named “Knox”!

  24. BWWR Avatar
    BWWR

    Pat, chile, it appears Kathy Davis has weighed in. However, as both the cooks at Kingsland are probably dead, there is no testament to say if their favourites were named Knox. All I can say for sure is that Knox never paid their wages. We also see from Kathy that you and I, Pat, are white men living outside of Barbados who never visit Barbados. I have to conclude that Kathy is either (a) trying to get a definitive “fix” on who you and I are (for reasons of her own) OR (b) she has forgotten to have a “fix” of those meds the psychiatrists in wherever she lives would have ordered for her. Poor soul – in old age she beginning to remind me of Mental Madge and that the apple done fall far from the tree.

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  26. Kathy Avatar
    Kathy

    BWWR,
    Both the cooks from Kingsland are still alive, but the Knoxes are probably the only family members still in close contact with them and with many other of the past non-management employees.

    Yes, Kingsland Estates paid their wages up to a point, and Mrs. Knox, as a shareholder, would have theoretically paid one-seventh of the wages. However, she paid appreciably more, since she was instrumental in getting a lawyer to help a past employee to recover severance pay – this employee had worked from the age of 14, and the management of Kingsland actively tried to prevent the severance payment.

  27. BWWR Avatar
    BWWR

    Kathy, as I was only at Kingsland about twice in my life, I have no idea who the cooks were. As for the rest, I am delighted that Madge did something decent for once. But maybe you could paper that as you seem to have the expectation of the citizens of this country whom you have sued in Canada without any evidence whatsoever that we ought to just accept everything you say. Little reality check here. We now accept nothing you say and you need only read the latest documents filed here to see why. So, if Madge did as you say, please paper it for us. You have no credibility.

    Otherwise, I find it interesting that poor, impoverished Madge who relies on her chickens and their eggs for her income managed to pay one seventh of the wages of two cooks at Kingsland, plus presumably all the other Kingsland Estates staff (this seems to me to be what you are saying) and to pay legal fees for one such cook – and all out of her egg money? We have all heard about golden eggs, but I had no idea that Madge’s were so valuable.

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