Submitted by Yardbroom
marijuana

I understand that the supply or smoking of marijuana   – quantity considered – is against the Law in Barbados.  To have a sensible debate about marijuana in Barbados – without the unnecessary name calling which does not advance the debate – the starting point for all law abiding members of the public “must” be the Law as it stands.There is an argument that marijuana is no more dangerous than tobacco, it could also be said that no taxes are levied on marijuana therefore there is no incentive to legalize its use.

The above points have “some” merit but they are not the concern of the Police…who are often criticized.  The function of the Police for which they are paid and have a remit, is to enforce the Law…as it stands.

It is the duty of others if they so wish to agitate for change, that is a sensible approach to take.  However trenchant our views are and perhaps justifiably so, the Law must be obeyed, in a truly democratic country where cognizance has been taken of majority opinion.  It is easy to allow allegations of misdemeanours and abuse of the law by individuals – even police officers – as an excuse for our illegal behaviour.

Even if a police officer stood on the block smoking a joint or engaged in other illegal activity that would not make make marijuana usage legal.  The focus then would be that particular officer…or if there is a need, those officers.  A group of officers however senior are not the Law, their function is to uphold the Law.  The suggestion that some officers do not uphold the law as they should, is no excuse for law abiding citizens to disregard it.   When there is no Law enforcement, anarchy prevails.

An argument is often made that if marijuana was legal there would be no problem.  That is a false logic if there was no speed limit enforcement on the roads no one would be brought before the courts for speeding, but the consequences for society could be severe.  Neither is the argument that tobacco is more dangerous that marijuana, because the “fulcrum here” is the Law as it stands not the medical issues which surround marijuana usage.

I must add, this submission has no connection with other events current in the public domain and is not intended to.  It is simply a view from a different perspective to that taken by some bloggers to defend strongly held views on the use of marijuana.  Note I have refrained from citing learned academic and medical research to either support or deny the use of marijuana, because the core of this submission is the ” Law as it stands”.

65 responses to “Marijuana: The Law And Police Enforcement In Barbados”


  1. Hinds

    I have some mangoes here for you to eat. You think your body could take the chemicals in the mango flowing through your veins? I think you strike the right chord; anti-Christ. We have become a nation of antiChist activity:

    1. The discrimination against rastafari and all poor people.
    2. The legalising of sterile substances and outlawing of what was put here by the Creator;
    3. The type of Police action that would cause the deaths of I’Akobi and others is allowed to go unpunished;
    4. Government allows companies like C&W and Insurance companies to run amok with their cheating ways – all legal;
    5. The daily perpetration of breaches of natural justice in the magistrates court;
    The practice of deprivation of the poor, while the rich get through, perpetrated by the Civil Service;
    6. The spending of $40M on a dump that can’t be used, but begrudginly refuse to build shelter for the homeless and those in need; that is near 800 houses;
    7. The removal of the vendors who depend on trade for their very survival for the esthetic pleasure of the rich and ruling class and which seeks to deprive the poor in favour of the rich businessman;

    I am sure others can think of a lot more ungodly and anti-Christ behaviour in this society.


  2. Hinds

    What is a vice? I think you need to do some reading. They called religion the opium of the people. Start from there.

    C&W, Merchant retail prices, the EPAs, are all sell-outs. The rape of the people, part of the anti-Christ activity, allowed by the Government of the people… Is there any such thing as legalised rape?


  3. More on Hinds:
    The comment about the manufacture of TCH in the lab was to defuse this believe that marijuana can be legitimize against drinking alcohol or cigarettes because it occurs naturally. I will also add that the active ingredient of drinking alcohol and cigarettes do occur naturally as well. Thats why i don’t attempt to seperate them.
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    The test is when something occurring naturally is tampered with. You obviously don’t understand what I mean by occuring in a “natural state”. When you bring me a bottle of alcohol or a pack of cigarrettes, you bring me things that have been corrupted by man.

    While we know that brown sugar is not good, it is far better than white sugar which is further processed. The more processing the more corrupt. You asking me to have faith in western science. When it comes to medicine and the metabolism of the natural, it is a resounding NO. Medicine companies either don’t have not the first clue or are engaging in the rape of the people’s money.

    No, alcohol and cigarettes are man made. The one natural occurance of alcohol which Christ himself imbibed is wine; a natural breaking down of vegetable matter, as apposed to the extraction of its potency.

    The cigarettes have additives. Bobby Burns died at 93 with a cigar in his mouth. Did he die of cancer?

    Peter, kill and eat… you care to call what I have made clean, unclean?

    Everything has its purpose and you just find the purpose. If eating castor oil beans agrees with you, who should stop you? Go right on ahead, let me know how high you get. I will stick to my mangoes.


  4. Pied Piper

    That is another joke. If marijuana was not around, that boy would have done the same thing. I don’t know what he was on but it had to be more than marijuana. Maybe he was psychotic.

    We are masters at passing off the blame on something we don’t like, while the real problem goes unsolved. Marijuana is not like LSD.


  5. Piper

    I want to ask you how many of these kinds of incidents are reported throughout the Caribbean? I would risk to bet that nearly half if not more of Barbados smoke marijuana; there are many recreational users. Why don’t we hear of these types of incidents in Barbados? And out of an English-speaking Caribbean population of about 7 million, why do we not hear of more of these incidents?


  6. ROK i don’t know what mangoes have to do with debate here, but i understand the enormous pressure you are under to project a positive image of cannabis, and hence the continued contortous debate contribution you have provided.

    1: The topic is about marijuana and the law: It is a substance that is subjected to a form of prohibition in many countries many of which the Rasta is not a citizen.

    2: Manmade verses naturally occuring does not change the inherent dangers of THC when consume by man. There is no argument here for the continued status quo that sees stiffer penalties for one set of drugs verses the other. I am for restriction of all three, which is not to be confused with out right banning.

    3: I am not discussing Mr. Maloney’s death. I believe there is another topic where that is being dicuss.

    I will leave you to develop your virtual “anti-christ” argument. Just so you know that to the individuals who would have given of their labour at CWC 2007 wether it was the police doing security for the event, or the average person working in a food stall a good candidate for the Anti-christ label could be anyone who did not see to it that they were paid on time, or paid at all.

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    WHAT IS A VICE????? please go back to your post on Nov 8 @ 7.44 pm where you stated the following

    [“There is a core of people who we say will always be in poverty that will never give up VICES” ]
    Whatever you meant in that comment is what I was responding too.

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    ROK said
    The test is when something occurring naturally is tampered with.

    I do know what you mean, and that is why i focus on the main and active ingredient in all three substances. Ethanol, nicotine, and TCH is present in the natural grain, tobacco and marijuana plant respectively, and remains so after the grain has been process, and the Tobacco, and marijuana leaves have been dried, crushed, and wrapped for smoking. The chemical structures of nicotene and TCH does not even change that much when subjected to heat in the process of ligting up.
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    It is true that everything has it’s purpose, and we just have to find that purpose. I do not know that TCH that is found in the cannabis plant was put there by God explicitly for the purpose of man’s consumption. If i had to suggest a reason for it, it would most likely be as a form of defence. Nicotene is found in several plants for that simple reason. Ricen which occurs throughout the castor plant is also a defence mechanism as it causes diarrohea to those animals that eat it. Casava contains HCN (hydrogen cyanide) and it is higer in the skin of the root, which suggest that it is a defensive mechanism to protect itself. Going back to the castor plant Ricin which is a very poisonous substance, is concentrated in the soft shell of the castor bean, which suggest once again that it is a defensive mechanism.


  7. TCH should have been THC.


  8. It is sad when some people, for lack of argument or maybe vocabulary, cannot focus on the topic at hand but feel they can win an argument based on the maligning the other person and dabbling in what they know nothing of.

    The poppy leaf has been chewed for centuries by a people that have lived traditionally long lives. Extract its potency and it becomes an 18 year death.

    The Coca leaf has been chewed by another people who also lived long lives, extract its potency and it too becomes an 18 year death.

    Any nutritionist worth their salt will tell you that it is better to get your vitamins from a natural plant or fruit where it is balance rather than vitamins and other man-made daily supplements. Why? Because the the latter are sterile and put the body under more stress to absorb them.

    Get your facts. For me Adrian Hinds is on ignore. I do not deal with malicious people.


  9. I seem to remember that the topic at hand is Marijuana the law and police enforcement. You have gone to great lenghts to attempt an excuse for it’s contiued use, inspite of the law. You had started down a path of suggesting that it could be defined as a bad law. You have not however dealt with what is required in a civil democracy when in the opinion of some persons, a law no longer servers it’s purpose. We must all agree that breaking the law can never be the answer or the approach.

    I live in the USA. I cannot be deemed as malicious when i comment on things i read in the Daily nationnews paper, with reference to CWC 2007 and money not paid or delayed. If you are going to start a virtual agrument to cast me as the ANTI-CHRIST, for simply stating my objections to your views re. marijuana use, I feel you must be reminded that “he without sin, cast the first stone”, and i take that saying further, in that, if sin is present in the Stone thrower, you can be very assured that several stones will be coming right back at you.

    ….It matters little that you have me on ignore. I don’t post for anyone’s pleasure, an as such i will continue to tear apart those submissions of yours that don’t have much substance to them.


  10. Should we not be considering the number 1 question of freedom? Is it not the perogative of an adult to decide just what he or she does with his or her body. Whether it be cannabis or any other psychotropic substance or any other pass time for that matter, as long as that individual’s actions stay limited to THAT individual and there is no harm to any other specific person or to society as a whole then should that behaviour be punished, as a cannabis user myself and an individual who has dabbled in other substances from time to time I am strongly of the opinion that a responcible adult using almost any substance (Barring highly physically addictive one’s such as cocaine, opiates and amphetamines) will do so within the parameters of his or her own tolerance and act in such a a way that he/she ensures a safe and enjoyable time.

    The burden of parenting adults for offences such as these should not be put on our government, police or any other state level body. This burden should be placed with the individual.

    As for the use of substances, both legal and illegal, by those who are not of age, the burden of prevention here should lie with the parent. A parent should be the one educating the child on what is right and wrong, what is appropriate for his age and what is not. And not by just trying to scare them off with lashes and showing them paroh’s in the street because children, believe it or not, are far smarter than we think and scare tactics no longer work on the majority.

    In closing the legalisation of cannabis cannot possibly have any negative effects as persons who had no inclination to use it are going to suddenly have a change of heart at it’s legalisation.


  11. Many people will have different views and this will always be the case. However, the prohibition of marijuana has never worked and it is only destroying our society. How many times do you read the newspaper and see innocent young people being arrested and sent to prison for smoking marijuana? Some people argue that if marijuana is legalized then make street racing and prostitution legal too. That is taking the matter out of context. Do half of you who are so against marijuana even know the history behind it and why it was made illegal? Probably not. The Americans used it as an excuse in the early 1900’s to deport Mexicans out of the country. It was an appropriate excuse because many of them smoked it and sold it and since then it has remained illegal. The only reason it was made illegal was for a political move.

    Many then argue how bad the effects are on people and society but yet accept alcohol and cigarettes as being a legal substance. What hypocrisy is that? Cigarettes and alcohol cause more deaths than marijuana ever will. It is a fact that marijuana has caused no deaths and is now being legalized in certain states in America for medicinal use and recreational use. The same ones who made it illegal are now legalizing and we in Barbados are still sending our people to prison for it. How much money is spent having these “prisoners” in jail? Why not legalize it, tax it and regulate it. Focus on more important factors..if our government distributed marijuana there would be no need for gangs who sell drugs to exist anymore?What is the harm in that?

    I respect every ones opinion in any issue as they have the right to think freely about these circumstances. But, i believe that society was brainwashed into thinking how bad marijuana is when the truth is now coming out that it is really not that harmful. I would rather alcohol and cigarettes be illegal than marijuana. Why is it that cigarettes are still legal when they are the primary source of cancer worldwide? That to me sounds foolish. Marijuana is not addicting either as i see many of you think it is. Give the people the responsibility to choose whether they want to have a beer or a joint. In reality it is the same thing except there are no harmful health issues in smoking marijuana.


  12. Wow Michael I could not agree more!

    I am a resident of BC Canada (Marijuana Mecca.) I smoke weed daily, and many peaceful rally’s protests and organizations have helped deem weed an important yet un-distructive part of our society and culture. I also agree that there is many negative side effects, but same with everything our technologically advanced society uses to benefit us: Cars, Fossil Fuels, Garbage, Landfills, Radiation, fatty foods, need for extreme sports, the list can go on forever.

    I am making my second trip to the Barbados and am really upset that Marijuana isn’t something that I can enjoy on my vacation. I understand the need to follow societies laws. I do think although that the illegalization of marijuana is something from the past and that people/countries should be re-evaluated to suit their residence.

    Really wish I could smoke that fine Kush I smoke every morning as a sucessful member of my society in Canada, in your beautiful country..

    Really whats wrong with smoking something that makes you: Passive, Lazy, and Creative… we’re definitely not ruining anything!

    Thanks to all the Barbadian peoples!


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