Sometimes when we read some of the comments posted on Barbados Underground or listen to comments in the wider public, we have had to seriously question the political maturity of our nation 41 years after Independence. We admit that no system of government is perfect. We have always admired that in North American and to a lesser extent the British systems of government, there always seem to be the opportunity for elected politicians, whether on the government or the opposition side, to discuss and vote on issues based on their conscience. The blatantly partisan nature of how Barbadians practice politics 41 years after Independence has increasingly given us cause for concern in recent years. It is easy to blame our elected leaders but in their defense people usually get what they deserve. Unless our electorate is prepared to initiate reform by using the many avenues which our democracy provides for feedback then we are afraid it will go on being business as usual.

Many of you are wondering by now why has BU set out in this article to bash a system which on the surface has worked very well for Barbados over the years. Some might say that the politics practiced by Barbados has been the envy of many countries ‘more developed’ than us.

Let us cite two examples to support our point:

Example 1

A few months ago, the Leader of the Opposition David Thompson publicly voiced a position that the government should find a way to enroll many of our unemployed young people in a program to teach them skills. He further suggested that they should be paid a stipend for their effort. This suggestion was immediately ridiculed by government and its supporters and has been trivialized to the point where the suggestion is now familiarly known as the ‘bus fare and lunch money’ initiative.

Example 2

Last month, Prime Minister Owen Arthur suggested that in the face of the skyrocketing cost of living Barbadians should go back to cultivating ‘back gardens’ as a means to reduce their grocery bills and to promote healthy living. Again, this suggestion was ridiculed by the Democratic Labour Party and supporters.

The truth is if we examine both suggestions through non-partisan eyes anybody with commonsense can glean that there is merit in the suggestions. Instead the perception has been allowed to fester in our society that to engage in backyard farming should not be a priority for Barbadians. We have listened to all manner of excuses offered by the DLP to explain why Barbadians should be insulted at the idea and the list goes on — we have no space in the ‘heights and terraces’ to cultivate vegetable gardens or our busy lifestyles don’t encourage it, etc. Response from the BLP regarding the ‘bus fare and lunch money’ suggestion. The suggestion has been so ridiculed that in our view there is a stigma associated with the words ‘bus far and lunch money’ .

The two examples in our opinion paint a picture of the political culture of our island which we think needs to be arrested. The success of our island has always rested on the intellectual capital of our people. In the global economy which Barbados is forced to compete for its survival the need to use our intellectual capital efficiently is being compromised by the wastage caused by rabid partisan politics.

Forty one years after our Independence as we approach ‘middle age’ the time has come to dispense with some of the old politics!

48 responses to “The Political Immaturity Of Barbadians”


  1. David,
    I told you before that I only comment when I have something to say and I feel that I should do so now.

    As someone living outside of Barbados, the need for news from the island and an update of things topical is very much sought. Your blogg has within the past few weeks carried two stories which show that you are a cut above the rest and one worth reading.

    I refer to this article and to the article you had on the earthquake. You were the first out with details of the quake and for this, I thank you.
    Regarding this article you make a lot of sense.

    Let me conclude by saying that I hope you can keep us the good work and high standard.

    The very best wishes to you and your family for the festive season.


  2. Interesting point, Sir. I, fully, understand what you say and agree with you entirely. Both suggestions are EXCELLENT ones and were I living in Bim and the situation applied to me, would be more than happy to accept ‘bus fare and lunch money’ to go and learn a proper skill or trade or to grow my own vegetables.

    All nations seem to have these little quirks about them, expressions or ideas which seem too, unacceptable for some silly reason, and Barbadians seem to be more ‘quirky’ than most!

    I think it’s, as you suggested, for the politicians to be more enlightened, pro-active and LESS PARTISAN in this respect, if your people are to get anywhere.

    However, I would n’t recommend that you ‘held your breath’. Partisan politics seem to be the order of the day in all the democracies. At least, we’ve got democracy and so, we have hope that one day, things might change!


  3. Before the BLP came to power the idea of backyard kitchen gardens was a good one.

    But that was yesteryear. Under pressure from an international organisation the BLP govt. jacked up the price of water tremendously.

    Water in Barbados is now like liquid gold.

    Water is the most necessary ingredient in getting crops of whatever kind from seedlings to maturity. I know of many small farmers who are no longer in buisiness due to the skyhigh water rates being charged by the BLP govt.

    It will not be any easier for mom or pop who try to follow the BLP rediculous idea of grow your own.

    Whatever they try to grow in their backyards if they do a proper costing of the resultant crops which they produce, then they will discover that per pound the produce are way higher than that purchased in the supermarket. that is a fact, I have tried it.

    So the BLP if they are really want to help mom and pop the first thing that they need to do is to reduce the water rates by at least 50% for their idea to have any meaning.

    And DAVID because the PRIME MINISTER said it does not make it a good idea. Not under the present circumstances. They created the problems, they do not have the solutions.

    DAVID it is demeaning to tell Bajans that because they do not follow a stupid suggestion by a tired, visionless PRIME MINISTER that they are immature is really insulting to GREAT inteligence Bajans you included.


  4. BU, the idea of Kitchen Gardening is a good one and I am doing it here successfully with very little water and my herbs and vegetables are thriving. This is my blog in regard to my backyard efforts, I hope you will check it out: http://greenbb.wordpress.com

    Thank you.

    greenbb


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  6. Speaking of growing your own food in your kitchen gardens:

    What will we eat as the oil runs out?

    by Richard Heinberg

    The Lady Eve Balfour Lecture, November 22, 2007

    Our global food system faces a crisis of unprecedented scope. This crisis, which threatens to imperil the lives of hundreds of millions and possibly billions of human beings, consists of four simultaneously colliding dilemmas, all arising from our relatively recent pattern of dependence on depleting fossil fuels.

    The first dilemma consists of the direct impacts on agriculture of higher oil prices: increased costs for tractor fuel, agricultural chemicals, and the transport of farm inputs and outputs.

    The second is an indirect consequence of high oil prices – the increased demand for biofuels, which is resulting in farmland being turned from food production to fuel production, thus making food more costly.

    The third dilemma consists of the impacts of climate change and extreme weather events caused by fuel-based greenhouse gas emissions. Climate change is the greatest environmental crisis of our time; however, fossil fuel depletion complicates the situation enormously, and if we fail to address either problem properly the consequences will be dire.

    Finally comes the degradation or loss of basic natural resources (principally, topsoil and fresh water supplies) as a result of high rates, and unsustainable methods, of production stimulated by decades of cheap energy.

    Each of these problems is developing at a somewhat different pace regionally, and each is exacerbated by the continually expanding size of the human population. As these dilemmas collide, the resulting overall food crisis is likely to be profound and unprecedented in scope.

    I propose to discuss each of these dilemmas briefly and to show how all are intertwined with our societal reliance on oil and other fossil fuels. I will then argue that the primary solution to the overall crisis of the world food system must be a planned rapid reduction in the use of fossil fuels in the growing and delivery of food. As we will see, this strategy, though ultimately unavoidable, will bring enormous problems of its own unless it is applied with forethought and intelligence. But the organic movement is uniquely positioned to guide this inevitable transition of the world’s food systems away from reliance on fossil fuels, if leaders and practitioners of the various strands of organic agriculture are willing to work together and with policy makers.

    Continued at: http://www.energybulletin.net/38091.html

    See also the Artice Eating Fossil Fuels by Dale Allen Pfeiffer


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  8. notesfromthemargin Avatar
    notesfromthemargin

    Good article,
    now hang on for all the comments from both sides that demonstrate exactly how politically immature we are.

    Marginal


  9. The URL for the “Eating Fossil Fuels” article is :
    http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/100303_eating_oil.html


  10. I seem to recall that the main issue with Owen Arthur’s declaration is the context in which it was made. Let us not generalize, to convenience this dishonest parliamentarian. His is a long list of the talking down to Barbadians about any number of things only to pretend that he has the answers after ignoring for so long. This is the man that said. Barbadians are lazy in response to the rumours that Bajan Doctors were facilitating persons with unnecessary sick leave. This is the man that called Barbadians “gimmie gimmie people” Down at the whim St.Peter at the re dedication of the playing field their where he sited that it was done not with government funds but funds from within community. This is the same man that made the famous statement that Bajans want to go heaven but don’t want to die. But you guys want to forget the context with in which an angry Owen Arther admonishes people about their high grocery bills. It is the people’s fault that food prices are this high and that if they would stop complaining and go back to their kitchen gardens then they wouldn’t complain and he would have to listen and respond. Do any of you remember a PM Erskine Sandiford Showing of his Tomatoes at illaro court? Do you want to match the context that that PM use to demonstrate the importance of kitchen gardening and the way the current PM went about the same? Get real guys this is not about the DLP or those Barbadians who thought they were being insulted by Owen Arthur’s comments and subsequent staged display of him “shoveling young plants with a fork”. It is clear to those who are willing to see that the driving force behind Arthur’s comments is to silence legitimate concerns about high prices.


  11. Before the BLP came to power the idea of backyard kitchen gardens was a good one.

    But that was yesteryear. Under pressure from an international organisation the BLP govt. jacked up the price of water tremendously.

    Water in Barbados is now like liquid gold.
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    Let’s go down memory lane, our foreparents were heavy involved in backyard gardening, every area around the house we will see from carrots to yams and potatoes, from celery to cassava and sorrel and no household piping were available. Stand pipes were the norm, yet gardening were aplenty.

    Today, every householder will try to purchase homes with land that can accommodate two houses, but instead of vegetable gardening, you will see all types of grass that are beautifully manicured and not one single bed containing vegetables. SHAME ON THE DLP.

    On the other matter, our foreparents used to insist that our under academic children should go out and learn some sort of trade. Back then, you were being trained without getting one hard cent, as a matter of fact, your parents might even give the professional artisan some sort of reward, from money to food crops. In today’s world, which we call skills training, I agree that you can give these said trainees some sort of stipend for lunch and transportation. I see only positive results with this action.
    SHAME ON THE BLP.

    In summation, we as a people must stop using negative political behaviour that will do no good for this developing nation, where our young people need the positive backing from their elders. But before any thing can happen, we the elders must show that we must move up to the next level in our attitude.
    Remember – nothing from nothing leaves nothing.


  12. “Of maturity and haypny measures”

    The welfare for ne’er-do-wells scheme as proposed by “two seat” Thompson is the most ridiculous non-idea that he has ever had. People who chose not to take advantage of the excellent educational opportunities afforded them in Bim are now to be subsidized by pensioners, utter poppycock. If these “youths” are actually interested in finding jobs let them go cut cane, so that we’ll no longer need to import Guyanese to work in agriculture. As for the PM, I guess even he is subject to a David Thompson moment once every five years. Growing a garden to offset skyrocketing prices? Pleeaaassseeee. Try reducing the import duties and VAT on regionally imported agricultural products Mr. PM. The dismissal of these two non-ideas by the public shows their sophistication and maturity. The public expects much more from their elected officials. The days of rumshop policy solutions are long gone.


  13. The PR attempt to this issue was poorly handled when the PM was well attired for the camera shot and PR exercise complete with LONG SLEEVE WHITE SHIRT, LONG PANTS, AND DRESS SHOES, with a massive cane fork in the small garden.

    What a disaster Arthur, you are so out of touch, this may be the manner in which your rich friends in SANDY LANE garden in but it certainly is not the method or manner that we Bajans do gardening.


  14. Here again you are wandering. It is the results from his gardening that matter. Nothing is wrong with his attire and his shoes are soft wears.

    It is about time to raise your political standards. Do you think Mr. Thompson would have worn tattered clothing and bare feet to show the public he is tending to his garden?


  15. None of the things we wish for will ever come about under the current system of governance. There is no independence of thought in parliament, it is not permitted, members cannot vote their conscience on any number of things without significant fall out. Until the executive leader gets his mandate from all the people he/she will always be swayed by outside forces, and be suspected of corruption as he/she must constantly “take care” of his majority loyalty in the parliament to at all times remain first among the equals. A lot of a PM’s time is taken up ministering to the greed, discontent, and sensitivities of his/her fellow parliamentarians. In the scenario of a popularly elected executive PM, his cabinet even if choosen from among sitting MP’s, they in turn cannot use the threat of withdrawing their loyalty to his command thereby threathening his/her pinnacle pirch. It is time to seriously look at seperating out local representation, from national needs, and the way to do this is not in the manner that Mia Mottley suggested which is to bring in more parlimentarians, the way is already in use. The number of persons not elected to the lower house but never the less served in a Ministerial position has grown and has shown us the way forward in that regard.


  16. frankology // December 4, 2007 at 11:49 am

    Here again you are wandering. It is the results from his gardening that matter. Nothing is wrong with his attire and his shoes are soft wears.

    It is about time to raise your political standards. Do you think Mr. Thompson would have worn tattered clothing and bare feet to show the public he is tending to his garden?
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    Arthur’s Photo op was not genuine on many fronts.


  17. The best way to create a backyard gaden is to get rid of OWEN ARTHUR and his bunch of crooks.

    DAVID sucking up to MARGINAL WILL NOT DO IT!


  18. To me it looked like a flower garden photo op OWEN was tending. I could be wrong but I doubt it.


  19. frankology // December 4, 2007 at 10:37 am
    Let’s go down memory lane, our foreparents were heavy involved in backyard gardening, every area around the house we will see from carrots to yams and potatoes, from celery to cassava and sorrel and no household piping were available. Stand pipes were the norm, yet gardening were aplenty.
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    You all are so dishonest it isn’t funny. Back then the average Bajan took to kicthen gardening, backyard farming ect. out of neccesity. Times where hard and money was in short supply. Very few people would engage in labour if it where not out of necessity. Most people where committed to getting out of the field. Today the majority of person who still do kitchen gardens have made a hobby out of it, have develop a need, a reason to so do. As the PM stated he does out of a sense to eat healthy, and get freash items, i didn’t get the sense that he does out of a sense to cut cost. Did you?

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    Today, every householder will try to purchase homes with land that can accommodate two houses, but instead of vegetable gardening, you will see all types of grass that are beautifully manicured and not one single bed containing vegetables. SHAME ON THE DLP.
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    Shame on the DLP? it is more likely to be the case that the little plot of land to the front or to the side of the house has been paved over to make way for one of the two cars that Owen Arthur promise to ensure Barbadians can have. It is certainly the case at the house i grew up in.

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    On the other matter, our foreparents used to insist that our under academic children should go out and learn some sort of trade. Back then, you were being trained without getting one hard cent, as a matter of fact, your parents might even give the professional artisan some sort of reward, from money to food crops. In today’s world, which we call skills training, I agree that you can give these said trainees some sort of stipend for lunch and transportation. I see only positive results with this action.
    SHAME ON THE BLP.
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    It is true, but is it more likely to be the case that while telling their offspring to go to school and learn so that they can make something of themselves, they also told them of picking a trade as something to fall back on? and in these conversation wasn’t there enough said to demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt that the cane field and other argricultural labour is to be shuned at all cost?
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    In summation, we as a people must stop using negative political behaviour that will do no good for this developing nation, where our young people need the positive backing from their elders. But before any thing can happen, we the elders must show that we must move up to the next level in our attitude.
    Remember – nothing from nothing leaves nothing.

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    Change the system of governance to embrace the willingness of Barbadians to participate in governing themselves. A people busy participating in governance will be a People that don’t have the time to criticise themselves.


  20. A people busy participating in governance will be a People that don’t have the time to criticise themselves.
    …………………………………………………………………..
    …and when will this happen. Surely not the prompting from partisan politricks.


  21. Notes From The Margin does not publish anything that is critical of the government or embarrassing to the government. Marginal ignores the Ronjan Juman case where the proof in the form of the court documents is published on the internet.

    The Director of Public Prosecutions used the police to collect back rent from his tenant Juman.

    The police used a blank search warrant to raid her home. This blank search warrant is published on the internet. Then they took her to the police station where they searched her vagina to humiliate her over the backrent.

    Notes from the Margin doesn’t talk about that.


  22. I’ll not comment on the ‘bus-fare-lunch-money’ or the ‘back-garden’ proposals since I don’t know the specifics about what was said by either politician.

    however, on the main thrust of your article about the political immaturity of Barbadians, i think we have to be careful about being too critical of ourselves or getting caught up in excessive navel gazing.

    from what i see, instances of partisanship can be just as blatant in ‘more developed’ democracies. it isn’t uncommon for Republicans to dismiss most Democrat proposals out-of-hand, and vice versa. Ditto for Labour v Conservatives in both UK and Australian politics. And these democracies also have their fair share of party apparatchiks who meekly toe a particular party line.

    however, one thing i might concede is that we perhaps don’t have as vibrant (and vocal) a ‘centre ground’ electorate as some of these other democracies. i’m not sure how significant the centre-ground/floating voter is in our politics. do the CADRES polls tell us about anything like that? i’d be interested to see.

    and even so, i would be willing to bet that party membership is on the decline in our country as it is in other countries (which i am inclined to view in a positive light as it suggests that people are starting to make their political decisions much more independently, which in turn suggests a level of political maturity)

    i’m not foolishly claiming that our politics can’t be improved. but maybe it isn’t as bad as we may be tempted to think.


  23. Since I have known myself my mother -now in her late 70’s has kept a kitchen garden. She often made money in doing so.

    My ex wife came to Bim and followed my mother’s example and she too has maintained a kitchen garden for almost 30 years- and also make money on the side in so doing.

    Now my daughter in law is doing the same.

    It matters not whose idea it is. It is not about politics. A backyard kitchen garden is a great thing.

    The late Colin Hudson patented the tire garden and a lovely example of one at the Future Centre Trust where he lived.


  24. frankology // December 4, 2007 at 12:48 pm

    A people busy participating in governance will be a People that don’t have the time to criticise themselves.
    …………………………………………………………………..
    …and when will this happen. Surely not the prompting from partisan politricks.
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    Your question seems to suggest that may agree that it would be good thing. If so i would suggest to you too not stop short of asking the question, but to rephrase and attempt an answer.

    …..Ok let me do it for you. Instead of asking “When will this happened?” asked “How can this be achieved”

    The answer lies in changes to our system of goverment.

    Why is this needed?

    It was change of governance that took away an older form of local governance (re 1969)

    The demand from the people is there, as a casual read of the Constitutional review commission report on page 11 would show.

    So what is needed to make the change?

    We have a review report which has captured the view of the people, we can further this by a serious discussion, then a draft referendum vote. None of this is even being comtemplated as the very report has not even been laid in parliament to suggest that it is a worthy document, and it is ironic to me that views of the people as conatianed in this document is being ignored by the political class. Such is one of their best demonstrated practices.

  25. notesfromthemargin Avatar
    notesfromthemargin

    I seem to have a fan 😉

    Took the trouble to respond to me without even a mention of the article.

    Once again. I rest my case.


  26. Anonymous // December 4, 2007 at 7:35 am

    Before the BLP came to power the idea of backyard kitchen gardens was a good one.

    …………………………

    POLITICALLY IMMATURE IDIOT!!!!


  27. Anonymous // December 4, 2007 at 12:54 pm

    Notes From The Margin does not publish anything that is critical of the government or embarrassing to the government. Marginal ignores the Ronjan Juman case where …

    …………………………………………………

    POLITICALLY IMMATURE FOOLISH BABOON!!!!


  28. Anonymous // December 4, 2007 at 12:54 pm

    Notes From The Margin does not publish anything that is critical of the government or embarrassing to the government. Marginal ignores the Ronjan Juman case where …

    …………………………………………………

    POLITICALLY IMMATURE FOOLISH BABOON!!!!

  29. notesfromthemargin Avatar
    notesfromthemargin

    Obviously immaturity runs on both sides 😀


  30. notesfromthemargin // December 4, 2007 at 2:18 pm

    I seem to have a fan

    Took the trouble to respond to me without even a mention of the article.

    Once again. I rest my case
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    yes duly noted, ….fan and not fanS. Anon pick sense from that and stop being an Army of one. 😀


  31. Georgie Porgie // December 4, 2007 at 1:28 pm

    Since I have known myself my mother -now in her late 70’s has kept a kitchen garden. She often made money in doing so.

    My ex wife came to Bim and followed my mother’s example and she too has maintained a kitchen garden for almost 30 years- and also make money on the side in so doing.

    Now my daughter in law is doing the same.

    It matters not whose idea it is. It is not about politics. A backyard kitchen garden is a great thing.

    The late Colin Hudson patented the tire garden and a lovely example of one at the Future Centre Trust where he lived.
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    GP i endorse your post, but feel compel to remind you that the contention isn’t an agrument of whose idea it was. Some people feel annoyed by Owen Arthur ADMONISHING us rather than imploring us to take a second look at kitchen gardening, and more importantly so is the backdrop and context to which he would want to admonish us.


  32. …..Ok let me do it for you. Instead of asking “When will this happened?” asked “How can this be achieved”
    …………………………………………………………………….
    Do not put words in my mouth. I am still insisting when will it happen. Surely, not in our lifetime.


  33. I seem to remember a certain lecturer at UWI railing against Colin Hudson’s tyre gardens as demeaning to the ordinary Barbadian, who “should be given his own piece of land”. Well sorry, sir, but agricultural land has to be turned to housing – you mean you didn’t know? Our food sufficiency has to come from the back yard now, not from the land. Anyhow, despite his criticism of back yard farming, and his denigration of Colin Hudson’s brilliant idea, the lecturer has since become a professor with a knighthood.


  34. frankology // December 4, 2007 at 3:25 pm

    …..Ok let me do it for you. Instead of asking “When will this happened?” asked “How can this be achieved”
    …………………………………………………………………….
    Do not put words in my mouth. I am still insisting when will it happen. Surely, not in our lifetime.
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    Well please tell how you arrive at your certainty.


  35. Teach the youth modern agricultural skills, give them stipends “lunch money” and “bus fare” in the short term. Focus on quality and yield. Issue certificates and medals to give them a sense of worth, have a ” awards function” for them on completion of the phases. Get up to industrial level production while transitioning away from fossil fuel wastage. Wind, solar, aquaponics etc.

    Call it something patriotic, National Youth Food Suppply Rescue Iniative (what a mouthful) make them into heroes, Kill two birds with one stone and the BLP and DLP could shut the FCUK UP.

    Or don’t see food as national security, suffer the consequences of Peak Oil and Famine, Government whether B or D needs to get a clue, the stakes are monumentally high.


  36. P.S Sugar is Dead


  37. Peltdownman your comments are extremely interesting and highlights the nonsense that goes on in Bim. It also highlights how we can disrespect the contribution of some and play down that of others.

    The professor with the knighthood denigrated Colin Hudson’s brilliant idea in a most impractical way. Tyre gardens are an innovative way of gardening; not only for kitchen purposes but to grow flowers by folk who have limited amounts of land. Only an idiot would say that Barbadians “should be given his own piece of land” when as you correctly point out that agricultural land has to be turned to housing.

    As an aside…….
    The professor with the knighthood returned from the UK pretending that he forget his lowly roots. He has published widely and been promoted in the UWI and knighted for what I don’t know.

    Alvin Thompson and the economist Mr Alleyne and many others taught for their whole carrers at UWI and produced children who have been role models to Barbadian children. They didn’t get any knighthoods.

    But a man who has done much less for Bdos and the UWI and who produces a child that goes to Mona to disgrace the country of his birth in a murder trial gets a knighthood. This is indicative of the nonsense that goes on in Bim.

    In the trial we were told that the decedent had DEFENCE WOUNDS yet his assailant, the lad who was sent to a certain primary school so HE COULD LEARN HOW THE OTHER SET LIVES got off!

    If he was acting in self defense HE would have the DEFENCE WOUNDS and the decedent would not have had 15 stab wounds

    When the professor with the knighthood returned from the UK he was fighting Barbados Mutual etc who he fighting now?


  38. It is important to clarify a matter. Some of our articles have been hard hitting against the government since our inception. We are not even going to bother to list them.

    Often we witness President Bush rolling up his sleeves, removing his jacket and tie and posing for a photo shoot where his intention is to show that he is a man of the people (blue collar). He does not put on a straw hat, short-pants and sandals. It is accepted as a symbolic position.

    We do not operate from the basis that our politicians are malevolent and therefore all that they speak is verbal diarrhea. The Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition are politicians YES but they are also BARBADIANS. Is it inconceivable that some of their mouthing might be sincere?

    We accept that feedback about the two being politicians, but are we to accept that the credibility of all public statements made by our politicians should be discounted? We cannot agree.


  39. Georgie Porgie

    Get a life.


  40. Anonnymous
    what is it that you dont understand about pathology forensic medicine or university promotions ?


  41. A key part of political maturity is the standards that pubic officers are held to. The media and the public plays a key role in this.

    I listened to the opposition leader’s presentation today. The charges warranted a response. The Minister of State failed to refute any of the charges. He railed on about his intentions and essential goodness as a person. These were certainly not on trial.

    The government seems to be lining up behind the Minister, they clearly do want to grant the opposition a scalp at this time. However, quite frankly, owen has fired ministers for less.

    Only public pressure and media can hold the Minister to the standards we expect. Based on the discussion so far, in many democracies the Minister would have to go.


  42. notesfromthemargin // December 4, 2007 at 9:58 am

    Good article,
    now hang on for all the comments from both sides that demonstrate exactly how politically immature we are.

    Marginal
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    The article is disingenuous as it refuses mention and discusses the context within which Mr. Arthur made his comments. Mr. Arthur’s photo op was a defensive one at best.

    IS this what one can expect from this new alliance between BU and notesfromthemargin?


  43. It is important to clarify a matter. Some of our articles have been hard hitting against the government since our inception. We are not even going to bother to list them.

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    So we can expect Notesfromthemargin style of writing from now on? What is forthcomming? “Balance” reporting? will it be at the expense of the truth? After 13 years of power how much balance can one achieve by focusing on the DLP? I’ll switch to watching if that occurs. Notesfromthemargin’s blog is good for reading and hardly ever for responding. 😀

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    Often we witness President Bush rolling up his sleeves, removing his jacket and tie and posing for a photo shoot where his intention is to show that he is a man of the people (blue collar). He does not put on a straw hat, short-pants and sandals. It is accepted as a symbolic position.

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    Who accepts it???? and clearly on those occasions when he does his photo op and it is after the fact, he is redicule to no end for it. When he flew over New Orleans only to visit with sleeves roll up after the fact, it was to little to late, for what was a defensive photo op. Your point again was??? I’ll tell you mind again because i am certain it is closer to the truth. After Owen Arthur was admonish by Barbadians for attempting to dismiss their legitimate concerns about high retail prices by he himself attempting to admonish them to get back to their kitchen gardens, he then had to stage a poorly orchestrated photo op to ease the tention, and rather than do that it caused him further redicule. Do not pretend to be an expert in forking while hold it like a shovel.
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    We do not operate from the basis that our politicians are malevolent and therefore all that they speak is verbal diarrhea. The Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition are politicians YES but they are also BARBADIANS. Is it inconceivable that some of their mouthing might be sincere?
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    I will dismiss this as a self-serving generalization, I am not making such a claim and i have sought to keep my opinions focus on the comments of the PM and the subsequent defensive photo op.
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    We accept that feedback about the two being politicians, but are we to accept that the credibility of all public statements made by our politicians should be discounted? We cannot agree.
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    If these statements, each on there own merit, can be judged thru our ability to reason,… and any one of them warrants to be discounted why not?


  44. BU just so you know I have sent 5 .jpg files i received to a graphics specialist to have the blackouts removed to reveal the hidden content there under, after which i will publish them online in addtion to sending them out for review and concideration to be sent yet further.


  45. David i will view the article above as an attack of the character of all Barbadians, and i will further discount it as disengenuous, and a malicous unwarranted attack on the wrong people. This opinion of immaturity has got to be place on the political class in particular the ones in our current parliament, where there is a collection of amoral individuals. We have drunkards, known and admitted thieves, known lawbreakers so noted by guilty judgements against them in a court of law, dishonesty and a clear propensity to lie is rampant. Some say that this is a reflection of the wider society and this may justify your attack, and so it maybe, but this catchment this sample of the community from which these things are apparent is at the very head of the society. Why would anyone want to keep a rotted head while at the same time exclaim concerns and a willingness to make changes in the soceity as a whole? Where do we start? don’t we usually start at the head?


  46. We all know full well people in bim vote for a political parties and a party is only as strong as its leader. So once the majority of the population is on board with a particular leader it’s safe to safe his party will more than likely win an election.

    We already know the St. Michael area is the out bed in any election and this bed is going to be on fire come election time. Now it’s really a matter to see if the donkeys will follow the carrot being held up for the change of political parties or the carrot held by their present PM

    A government of a country can only be as morel as the people that select and allow it to rule.
    We spend too much time pushing our own agenda and not coming up with helpful solutions or new ideas to push this island and the region on the whole forward if you ask me.


  47. Rene // December 5, 2007 at 6:09 pm

    We spend too much time pushing our own agenda and not coming up with helpful solutions or new ideas to push this island and the region on the whole forward if you ask me.
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    Ok i am asking you……

    Is this comment directed at me?

    If so what what agenda am i pushing?

    And what problems exist that you would wish for me to put forward solutions too?

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